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RE: Nvidia says Nintendo is talking nonsense
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2007, 07:09:27 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2007, 07:14:15 AM »
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I do think Nintendop overdid it with the "weak graphics" approach, the Wii doesn't even have shaders. They could at least have made sure the Wii is better than the original XBox in EVERY aspect.

The Wii has shaders.  Even the 'Cube had shaders (that's where the shimmer effects through forcefields in Rogue Leader and in hot areas, etc. come from).  I don't know how they compare to the XBox, though.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2007, 07:19:18 AM »
I'm sure he has a really unbiased opinion.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2007, 07:19:19 AM »
It can handle some effects in software but it lacks vertex and pixel shaders of the modern variety. Hell, we've already obsoleted these shaders with unified shader units and Nintendo hasn't even introduced them!

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2007, 11:42:04 AM »
Wait, so a guy who works for a graphics card company is speaking out against people not embracing graphics?

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2007, 02:33:38 PM »
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"Really though I remember being heartbroken at the end of Super Metroid, so it isn't the graphics that create emotions but design!"

Super Metroid has really good 2D graphics though.  A 2D game with comparable graphics released today wouldn't look out of place.

Anyone who says that graphics don't matter is a fool, as is someone who only cares about graphics.  Not only does it not need to be an "either/or" situation but it shouldn't be.  Great game design is a combination of gameplay and presentation.  You use the graphics and the sound to create a setting for the player and then the gameplay is what the player is able to do in that setting.  That's what great games are made of.


I don't think anyone here is saying graphics don't matter, they do, but like others have said it more artistic approach that makes you care about the characters and gets your involved with the game. That is why I also used Kingdom HEarts 1 and 2, both games are considered graphically inferior now but they still have characters that get you emotionally involved!

One area that I think we also forget is not so much graphics may be hitting a brick wall, but the cost to create a game. With these fancy, polygon pushing graphic cards comes more expense and more time to create games. It is going to get to the point, maybe sooner than later, that companies will not be able to afford to upgrade visuals and still maintain great gameplay. That is what I think is great about the Wii, it has a relatively lower budget for gaming.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2007, 04:22:26 PM »
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I'm sorry, but gameplay comes first.  no matter how great the graphics are, a crappy, boring game is still a crappy boring game no mater how pretty you make it. Sh.t is still sh.t no matter how you dress it up.



true, but ill be damned if i play games that look like NES games these days no matter how fun they are. Can you imagine paying 250 for a console and the graphics look like nes games (VC games notwithstanding). it can be the most fun thing ever, ima be pissed.
Fact is graphics are important. but not at the expense of fun. I think we can agree that a very fun game with excellent graphics is total ownage. I cite RE4, both Metroid Primes, Zelda TP, Eternal Darkness, F Zero etc.

Any argument that says graphics dont matter is unreasonable.

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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2007, 04:27:07 PM »
There are VERY few cases where low tech graphics detract from fun when the fun is there. After all, look at Animal Crossing: you're playing N64 graphics. Look at Pokemon, for godssake, SUB SNES graphics until just recently. And sales through the roof.

In contrast, there are COUNTLESS cases where bad gameplay has been impossible to overcome with wonderful graphics. Otherwise we'd have more Kameo lovers in the world.

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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2007, 05:29:20 PM »
Great post Strell. I think we're seeing exactly how Nintendo strategy is paying off; an HD system this generation was unnecessary and the Wii wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is with the higher costs involved on all ends.
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2007, 05:56:12 PM »
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There are VERY few cases where low tech graphics detract from fun when the fun is there. After all, look at Animal Crossing: you're playing N64 graphics. Look at Pokemon, for godssake, SUB SNES graphics until just recently. And sales through the roof.

In contrast, there are COUNTLESS cases where bad gameplay has been impossible to overcome with wonderful graphics. Otherwise we'd have more Kameo lovers in the world.

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Here's the first example that leaps to mind: Hexen for the N64. Hexen for the PC was a very fun little game, all the same content is there and there's nothing wrong with the control scheme. Yet the game is such an eyesore that it's no fun at all.

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2007, 06:27:41 PM »
i thought Cubivore was one of the best games I have played in the last several years, graphics do not matter
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2007, 07:17:50 PM »
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i thought Cubivore was one of the best games I have played in the last several years, graphics do not matter


Cubivore! I've been trying to get my hands on that game for a while now. I knew it was going to end up being a collectors item. The art style just completely gets my goat. The fact that they made the ripples in the water square as well... DOOD! Animal Crossing was unbelievably great too, and it was little more than an N64 game.

I think that instead of saying graphics don't matter we should say that cutting edge graphics don't matter.

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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2007, 07:19:58 PM »
Graphics don't have to be photorealistic 3D models with all sorts of shaders and lighting and whatnot in order to look good. One of my favorite games, graphically, was Baten Kaitos Origins, which had some of the best prerendered backgrounds I've ever seen. Even if that is a bad example, I'm sure everyone can think of at least a few games where stylized low-poly models were still more convincing and aesthetically pleasing than 'photorealistic' graphics.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2007, 07:47:09 PM »
I think 3D visuals were most important this last generation, they were good enough to give you a solid visual experience (with the right developer of course) without hurting your eyes, like the N64 did with its sometimes blurry visuals and really archaic visuals.
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2007, 08:14:53 PM »
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Here's the first example that leaps to mind: Hexen for the N64. Hexen for the PC was a very fun little game, all the same content is there and there's nothing wrong with the control scheme. Yet the game is such an eyesore that it's no fun at all.


Funny thing... I actually bought that used recently on a whim... and I know what you're talking about...eheh...

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2007, 08:24:06 PM »
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Here's the first example that leaps to mind: Hexen for the N64. Hexen for the PC was a very fun little game, all the same content is there and there's nothing wrong with the control scheme. Yet the game is such an eyesore that it's no fun at all.


Funny thing... I actually bought that used recently on a whim... and I know what you're talking about...eheh...

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I was hoping to forget Hexen, wasn't it supposed to be one of the first multiplayer games for N64? If I recall it actually had LOADING as well, which is hilarious for a cartridge game.
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2007, 08:35:05 PM »
But man... Duke Nukem 64... I'd pay GOOD Money to have THAT game again. I loved the bots in that game!

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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2007, 08:50:47 PM »
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But man... Duke Nukem 64... I'd pay GOOD Money to have THAT game again. I loved the bots in that game!

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Ah yes, I remember that game. It was pretty good!
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