Author Topic: Wii stronger then the first Xbox ? (Read 71188 times)

segagamer12 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:19:10 AM »

I seriously doubt that, Sega has been known in as the KING of arcde racing games, I think htey would have used a game engine they arlead were familiar with rathar then tweak a non racing games engine. I never played it but knowing SEGA I doubt it used monkeyt balls engine in any way.

Back to GFX, Its hard for me to take a side on this, I play a lot of 360 at my friends house and the games we play look great, then I play Wii at home and the best looking game I have looks BETTER on 360. I KNOW we can't expect the games to look that good as even Nintendo told us not to, yet it is still somewhat disapointing considering Nintendo has always pushed thier sysetsma nd most 3rd parties ususaly do too, until GC flopped. Early GC stuff looked fantastic, latter GC stuff looked just barely accaptable. When i got the GC it had plenty og games that wowed and amazed and looke dbetter than ps2,. then theys topped coming shortly after I got it until RE4.

Its not that i want game to look as good as 360, that wont ever happen, but I DO want games to look BETTER than regular Xbox and by default GC. MP3 should be the start but I fully expect Smash Bros to be the game that swayes people on way or the other as it seams to be getting the longest dev time so has no excuse if it looks bad.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #26 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:29:01 AM »

Wait until MP3 launches before we say anything about graphics: that will be the first game built from the ground up on Wii hardware which is specifically designed to take advantage of its graphical potential.

For all intents and purposes, Crave is trolling.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #27 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:34:58 AM »

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Wait until MP3 launches before we say anything about graphics: that will be the first game built from the ground up on Wii hardware which is specifically designed to take advantage of its graphical potential.

For all intents and purposes, Crave is trolling.

That sounds like a confirmation the game was delayed and graphically overhauled to pull it away from its original launch title limitations.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #28 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:54:40 AM »

It was delayed for any number of reasons.

For one, there were other FPS offerings by 3rd parties at launch which Nintendo didn't want to squash, but beyond that, the Wii didn't need MP3 to sell initial launch Wiis as badly as it needs it to maintain a consistent software release schedule.

But yeah, I'm sure the added polish to the game will make it that much better, not only in the graphical department, but I've been hearing that they're keeping the multiplayer mode tightly under wraps. I'm not one to be optimistic, but I don't think they'd be doing such a thing unless they had something decent planned for multiplayer.

Ceric · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2007, 06:26:01 AM »

I still think it is a crying shame that some of the best looking games for the Gamecube came out within a year and a half from its launch. Also F-Zero would reboot my Cube.

On MP3, I'm hoping there using the time to up the graphics, significantly up the sound presence (it seems to always be about graphics when the sound effects and music contribute so much more to the atmosphere), and forget about Multiplayer unless its a weird form of multi-bounty hunter coop. (There are more bounty hunters then Samus so why not have a Coop where your versus each other but grudgingly have to help.) The coop be online and there be updateable contents.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #30 on:** January 30, 2007, 06:28:30 AM »

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Sure, the big Nintendo franchises are all set to look good (I won't say great yet, nothing I've seen of Nintendo's upcoming titles look like they couldn't have been done on the Cube),
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I'm sorry but I don't see Mario Galaxy being done on the cube. When some of the boss battles resemble CGI and yet maintain 60 fps, there is no chance you could see that done with the GC.

Hocotate · « **Reply #31 on:** January 30, 2007, 06:44:53 AM »

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it's that we have no proof that we're ever going to see titles that look better than what the Gamecube did. No announcements, no screen shots, nothing.

So the Wii will never surpass the GCN graphically you say?.... lol are you serious?

Pittbboi · « **Reply #32 on:** January 30, 2007, 06:58:41 AM »

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it's that we have no proof that we're ever going to see titles that look better than what the Gamecube did. No announcements, no screen shots, nothing.

So the Wii will never surpass the GCN graphically you say?.... lol are you serious?

lol can you read?

That's not what I said at all. Way to take one sentence out of my three paragraph post completely out of context.

Kairon · « **Reply #33 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:22:10 AM »

Reading Comprehension FTW!

Anyways, the Wii's got more important things to do. It's practically guaranteed that Wii games will look better than GC games, but that'll come in time, and at first be mostly Nintendo published titles.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ian Sane · « **Reply #34 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:24:19 AM »

For those saying launch titles usually don't look so hot I'll point out that there isn't really any precedence for that.

Super Mario World, F-Zero and Pilotwings looked way better than any NES game.

Super Mario 64 sure as hell didn't look like anything on the SNES. It was a little blocky looking but at the time it looked way better than anything else.

Rogue Leader and SSBM are two of the best looking Cube games ever made and both came out within the first few months of the Cube's life.

Crappy looking launch games are a Playstation trademark. Nintendo consoles usually have a few launch titles (often first party) that just blow the sh!t out of everything else. It is odd for most Wii games to look no better than last gen graphics. But then it's odd for Nintendo to not offer a significant hardware upgrade in the first place.

Pale · « **Reply #35 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:29:04 AM »

I still think Luigi's Mansion is one of the prettiest Cube games.

Kairon · « **Reply #36 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:29:34 AM »

It's also odd that the only EAD developed Wii Launch title that WASN'T a GC port for the Wii was Wii Sports (and Wii Play), a game with a COMPLETELY untraditional direction. Excite Truck and PBR are from external developers, and Wario Ware is from Intelligent Systems.

Come to think of it, what IS EAD up to? Nintendo's traditional powerhouse developer and dynamite launch game developer was almost completely absent from launch except for the GC port and Wii Sports/Play.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #37 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:22:43 AM »

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For those saying launch titles usually don't look so hot I'll point out that there isn't really any precedence for that

Seems like someone never seen the majority of Xbox 360's games at launch. Let's face it we are starting to see graphical jumps diminishing now, the last big leap was from N64 to GC (which was quite major) and I doubt we'll see a jump like that anytime in the near future. In addition to that, Wii isn't that much powerful than GC so it is alittle harder to get "good" graphics out of it, especially for 3rd parties who didn't develop much for GC.

Hocotate · « **Reply #38 on:** January 30, 2007, 11:23:22 AM »

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That's not what I said at all. Way to take one sentence out of my three paragraph post completely out of context.

I do not think it was taken out of context, read your post again. You are saying EVERYTHING that has been shown could run on the Gamecube and that there is no proof that things will ever get better. It is inevitable that the graphics will look better as games are going to be developed from the ground up on Wii. Just because they didn't show screens of FFXII at the PS2 launch didn't mean it wasn't capable of such things.

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I know Nintendo wanted to keep a tight lid on the Revolution to keep Sony from finding out through a developer and stealing their ideas (again). But I honestly think it would have been worth the risk if it meant getting developers up and creating Wii games a lot sooner than this.

Considring that even wilth Nintendo waiting as long as they did to announce the controller, and that Sony still tried to rip it off at the last minute leads me to believe that Nintendo made a smart move on holding back information. Showing everything at E3 05 would have given Sony enough time to make their motion controls a lot better.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #39 on:** January 30, 2007, 12:04:23 PM »

Again, reading is fundamental.

Yes, that is what I said, and I stick by that. Nothing we have seen so far or that has been announced looks like it couldn't have been done on the Cube. With the exception of Mario Galaxy maybe, I've seen a few vids since this morning and I'll admit the game looks better than I've given it credit for, but I'm still not altogether convinced. But if you keep reading my next paragraph explains why I think that is and when I think that'll change:

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Then again, this could all be Nintendo's fault. It is my personal belief that the reason we're not seeing a lot of new projects being announced for the Wii yet, or any games that seem to be pushing the envelope (with the graphics OR the controls), is because Nintendo waited until the absolute last minute to reveal any details of the Wii to developers and get out dev kits so they could start creating. Remember, with the exception of a few key people, developers were finding out about the Wii's features just as the public was, and MOST didn't get their dev kits until just a few months before launch. Everyone was wondering what the hold up was. If any developer wanted to take initiative in developing a game for the Wii (and not many did, looking back at the failures of Nintendo's previous two consoles), they had to use Gamecube dev kits. In that kind of environment it makes perfect sense that we're not going to see games moving out of Gamecube and into Wii territory anytime soon. I honestly don't see that happening until late next year.

The Wii never displaying graphics better than the Gamecube was never the point of my entire post. I wrote that simply because that's, by and large, the impression we're getting now, and that's probably because most developers really weren't given the time to create both beautiful and innovative games. There's a lot of things in the works for the Wii, but thanks to Nintendo sitting on dev kits until the last minute, a lot of that stuff isn't even in the stages where it can be revealed. And that's not exactly a good position for Nintendo to be in right now. When the PS2 first launched, it didn't really have many titles that displayed what the console was capable of, either. However, they had announcements, screenshots, and tentative release dates for games that were definitely beatuiful to look at and truly pushing us into the next generation of gaming, and that helped maintain interest in the console. You knew better was coming. Same with the Xbox360. However, the Wii doesn't really have that outside of it's first party offerings (and even those are appealing mainly to Nintendo fans only), and when the initial WiiSports craze eventually dies down and it's up to gamers to carry the console, the Wii might find itself having very little to keep interest piqued.

Fortunately for Nintendo, when the initial launch mania finally dies down we'll have hit the GDC (and maybe even E3), so Nintendo and third parties will have plenty of opportunity to release game info that'll keep us salivating. They just better deliver.

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Showing everything at E3 05 would have given Sony enough time to make their motion controls a lot better.

I agree with that. But Nintendo definitely should have risked keeping developers themselves a little more in the know. They didn't have to reveal everything at an E3-like event. However, at the same time there were too many developers at E3 saying "yeah, this is the first time we've heard about this" or "Nope, we still don't have dev kits". Nintendo can definitely take a page from Microsoft's book when it comes to kissing developer butt.

Hocotate · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:39:39 AM »

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Again, reading is fundamental.

Pfft, your post is full of contradictions; learn how to convey your thoughts properly.

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For me it's not that we're not seeing that new gen style now, it's that we have no proof that we're ever going to see titles that look better than what the Gamecube did. No announcements, no screen shots, nothing.

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I wrote that simply because that's, by and large, the impression we're getting now

Didn't you just say "it's not that we're not seeing that new style now?" please. Also, if you meant now then you should have said that instead of ever.... then again you just said it wasn't about now, then you turn around and say it is so whatever...

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When the PS2 first launched, it didn't really have many titles that displayed what the console was capable of, either. However, they had announcements, screenshots, and tentative release dates for games that were definitely beatuiful to look at and truly pushing us into the next generation of gaming

This isn't 1999 anymore, the jump in visuals isn't very big this gen at all, even the PS3 and 360's best offerings aren't that impressive. Also, you are forgetting the Wii is not all about graphics, The systems has completely taken a dump on the PS3 and is closing in on the 360 with its last gen graphics anyway.

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You knew better was coming. Same with the Xbox360. However, the Wii doesn't really have that outside of it's first party offerings (and even those are appealing mainly to Nintendo fans only)

Wrong. Just take a look at the DS, it has been a completely dominate beast on pretty much Nintendo titles alone. 3rd parts support is just now starting to come around. Nintendo has proven they can pretty much carry the system on their own. Don't try to tell me "But the DS and Wii are completely different!" because from where I'm standing things are looking pretty darn similar.

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and when the initial WiiSports craze eventually dies down and it's up to gamers to carry the console, the Wii might find itself having very little to keep interest piqued.

Nope, wrong again. Non-gamer games like Wii health pack, Brain Training, Wii Music, etc will carry the craze on. Wii sports and Wii play have been in the top ten since their debut and are showing no signs of leaving anytime soon. The Wii is like the DS all over again.

Kairon · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:41:25 AM »

Yeah, if there's anything to be worried about, it's that Wii Music is nowhere in sight!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pittbboi · « **Reply #42 on:** January 31, 2007, 01:08:22 PM »

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Pfft, your post is full of contradictions; learn how to convey your thoughts properly.

Ugh, I swear you're going to give me a caffeine headache. I absolutely refuse to debate semantics here. Read my post a little more carefully, there are several key words that are conveniently missing from your quotes of me.

How I convey my thoughts aside, the point is clear: from the current standpoint, it doesn't seem as though the Wii has anything in the pipeline that could compete with the big titles that Xbox360 and even the PS3 have coming. None of the game released now, or announced have generated the sort of hype those games are. And that needs to change.

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This isn't 1999 anymore, the jump in visuals isn't very big this gen at all, even the PS3 and 360's best offerings aren't that impressive. Also, you are forgetting the Wii is not all about graphics, The systems has completely taken a dump on the PS3 and is closing in on the 360 with its last gen graphics anyway.

Yeah yeah, the Wii is really successful right now. Though I agree that that's nothing to scoff at, the argument is being done to death. Wii is running off the success of WiiSports the heaps of good press it has received in its initial stages, nobody can deny that. But I think Nintendo fans are claiming victory a little too early, especially against the PS3. While the future of Wii gaming is largely still a mystery outside of Nintendo 1st party games, both the Xbox360 and PS3 have MAJOR titles on the horizon that are guaranteed to be both fun and stunning to look at. Games like Bioshock and FFXIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 are set to show the world what the new generation of gaming is really about, and if you think the sales of the PS3 aren't going to significantly increase by the time those games come out you've got another thing coming. WiiPlay cannot hope to compete with that. Don't get me wrong, I WANT the Wii to succeed and continue crapping all over the PS3 (it is my console of choice and all), but if the Wii doesn't get any major third party games AT LEAST announced for it before Xbox360 and PS3 pull out their big guns, then I really fear for it's longevity. Non-games won't save it forever, especially when Nintendo's courting a market as fickle as the pop-culture crowd.

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Wrong. Just take a look at the DS, it has been a completely dominate beast on pretty much Nintendo titles alone. 3rd parts support is just now starting to come around. Nintendo has proven they can pretty much carry the system on their own. Don't try to tell me "But the DS and Wii are completely different!" because from where I'm standing things are looking pretty darn similar.

You're not going to like this, but the DS and Wii are completely different! Like it or not what works for a portable might not work for a home console. What worked for the successor to the market leader might not work for the underdog. Nintendo 1st party games can sell a handheld; they proved that with every other Nintendo handheld, ever. Nintendo 1st party games cannot keep a console afloat (at least in the American market); they proved that with the N64 and Gamecube. WiiSports had the advantage here because Nintendo included it with the console, but to assume that WiiSports and WiiSports-like games are going to carry the console throughout this entire gen is ludicrous.

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Nope, wrong again. Non-gamer games like Wii health pack, Brain Training, Wii Music, etc will carry the craze on. Wii sports and Wii play have been in the top ten since their debut and are showing no signs of leaving anytime soon. The Wii is like the DS all over again.

Ummm, I think it's best to not include Wii health pack until we know what the game is, and what its real title is.

I honestly don't think Brain Training for Wii will be as big a success as on the DS. A MAJOR part of its appeal is its portability. WiiPlay will sell more wiimotes, not consoles. Wii Music is not even announced for the States yet.

I think it's cool that Nintendo is bringing in non-gamers, but they're going to have to focus on gamers soon. Non-gamers may account for sheer numbers, but they're non-gamers for a reason. It'll always be gamers that shape the industry and push it forward.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2007, 01:29:35 PM »

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Games like Bioshock and FFXIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 are set to show the world what the new generation of gaming is really about, and if you think the sales of the PS3 aren't going to significantly increase by the time those games come out you've got another thing coming.

I'm not sure you can state anything about how those games are going to show what the new generation of gaming is all about, they could be overrated along with being multiplatform when it is all said and done. Besides Bioshock is already coming out for the PC which has had the "new" generation of gaming for some time now.

IN response to some of your other things, the Wii is a whole different animal, it is a system that will and IS attracting a gaming market that had barely been tapped with PS3 and Xbox 360. I'm personally going ignore you using Wiiplay for your straw man argument for "competition" because Wiiplay is not a "big" title of any kind and is basically a low budget collection of games. INstead let's use titles like Brain Age, Mario Party 8, Wii music and others. These games will help establish the Wii even more because they are attracting people who are scared away from Xbox 360 and PS3, so I'd say they'd stand up pretty well against games like Halo, MGS and FF because they are attracting a larger userbase.

Kairon · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2007, 01:48:11 PM »

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I think it's cool that Nintendo is bringing in non-gamers, but they're going to have to focus on gamers soon. Non-gamers may account for sheer numbers, but they're non-gamers for a reason. It'll always be gamers that shape the industry and push it forward.

I think you're patently wrong there Pittboi.

Non-gamers are called non-gamers because they don't share traditional core beliefs. They're not called that because they're poor.

I think you're vastly underestimating the spending power of non-gamers, and vastly underestimating blue ocean and long tail strategies. Non-gamers drink Star Bucks, use Netflix, and buy cellphones.

AND, non-gamers on the Wii are buying both Wii Sports and, to a lesser extent, Wii Play to the tune of 70-90 percent attach rates in Japan. I'll also point out the amazing and consistent sales of Nintendogs and Brain Age, and even though these titles are on the DS they are valid examples: they prove that non-gamers have purchasing power to rival conventional wisdom if only games and hardware come along that appeal to them. The Wii won't have a version of Brain Age that'll sell it, no one's saying that, but each cry of "Nintendogs" is a metaphorical cry for the successor to Wii Sports, the next in a string of non-traditional, non-gaming, blockbuster market-expanding hits that spurs on explosive hardware penetration.

Your stand that it will always be hardcore gamers who push the industry forward is the sort of marginalizing view that Microsoft and Sony take, and that Nintendo is fighting against. The industry is pushed forward by new ways to deliver entertainment: new ways to deliver fun. And as long as you're limiting your conception of "fun," you're crippling yourself.

"FUN" isn't owned by the 18-30 year old set, it belongs to everybody. The internet doesn't belong to the RSS geek, but to the Myspace user. And today's visual mediums aren't being changed by blockbuster movies, but instead by YouTube. And rest assured, the killer app for e-mail wasn't called 100 GBs of storage space, but "Grandma."

Traditional gamers are just one facet of the expanding videogame market, and they don't own it, or its future. The future of videogames will be owned by whomever can deliver the most "fun" to the most people, non- or otherwise, in the best possible way.

I AM concerned about the lack of epic titles on the order of a God of War 2 (is God of War the new Halo???) in the Nintendo Wii's horizon... But I am MORE concerned about when the next packet of mass-market fun is coming. Nintendo's future hinges indescribably more on how Wii Music performs than on how good Disaster: Day of Crisis turns out.

Besides, it was non-gamers who saved the industry back in '84. Before the crash, videogames had always been marketted more towards an adult crowd. Kids... were the non-gamers of the 80's.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

ViewtifulJoe · « **Reply #45 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:52:30 PM »

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Pittbboi · « **Reply #46 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:02:09 PM »

Kairon, I think you've missed my point.

I wasn't disregarding the power of the non-gamer. But I think that, lately, in Nintendo's quest to recognize their blue-ocean strategy and harness the power of the non-gamer they're slowly turning a blind eye to the gamer. And it's been said to death, but it's still relevant: The Playstation 2, the greatest selling console of all time--didn't churn out over 100 million units appealing to the non-gamer.

Non-gamers aren't poor, but one thing that I think a lot of people aren't considering is the possibility that non-gamers may not be as loyal. Nintendo is striving to make their console the current craze amongst the pop culture crowd, but they're playing with fire: the current craze can quickly turn into last month's fad. You're right, non-gamers drink starbucks, use netflix and buy cellphones; but they also drink Caribou, and rent using blockbuster online. One day they want the Razr, then the Krzr, then the Chocolate. One minute crunk music is the sh*t, the next it's played out. One year pink is the new black; the next year black is the new pink. My 6th grade year yoyo's were the thing to have; 7th grade it was all about scooters; 8th grade pokemon took the US by storm.

The type of non-gamers that Nintendo may be attracting may be the kind drawn to it because it is this season's big thing. I know so many non-gamers who want or have the Wii for WiiSports...and nothing else. Don't expect non-gamers to suddenly transform into "gamers" and continuously support the industry because they bought the console for a game that just happened to come with it, and I honestly don't see any of the future non-gamer games like Wii Play and ESPECIALLY Wii Music making as big a splash here in the states as Wii Sports did for the simple fact that they're not launching with the most anticipated console of the year.

Non-gamers will buy something because it's cool--like Halo or Madden or Grand Theft Auto or Wii Sports, and then move on when something else gets the spotlight. A gamer will stay with the console, play the game and then buy more. A gamer will support the industry with more than just their money. A gamer will grow up to become the next Miyamoto or Will Wright. In that sense it'll always be gamers who shape the industry and move it forward.

As for the Japan factor, I've always wondered...for so long Japan has been the center for gaming. The leader of the industry. Gaming there is more infused into the everyday culture than almost anywhere else. This is the country that actually has a law stating that Dragon Quest can't be launched on certain days due to fear that the country would almost literally shut down. It's not out of the question to say that, in Japan, gaming means something almost completely different than what we in the west consider it. With that in mind, one must wonder: does the Japanese non-gamer exist in the same way the American non-gamer does? I'm not qualified to answer the question with authority, but my gut feeling says no. Wii Sports didn't have to be packaged with the system in order for it to catch on there. However, most people are almost certain that both the Wii and Wii Sports would not have caught on as strongly here in the States had they not been packaged together.

I dunno, something to think about.

IceCold · « **Reply #47 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:11:11 PM »

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The type of non-gamers that Nintendo may be attracting may be the kind drawn to it because it is this season's big thing. I know so many non-gamers who want or have the Wii for WiiSports...and nothing else. Don't expect non-gamers to suddenly transform into "gamers" and continuously support the industry because they bought the console for a game that just happened to come with it,

Well. Zelda had and is still maintaining a tie-in ratio of nearly 80%, and the overall software attach rate for the Wii so far is very healthy. Obviously Nintendo has attracted non-gamers, and from the looks of it, they're buying other games as well.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #48 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:24:55 PM »

"Well. Zelda had and is still maintaining a tie-in ratio of nearly 80%"

Where are you getting that from? Because I'm seeing something a little closer to 60%.

Anyway, even still I'm not really surprised. Even for a person buying the console just for Wii Sports, I'd expect a lot of non-gamers to want to walk out of the store with at least one game purchase and, if there had to be one....

I don't see this translating into longevity...

denjet78 · « **Reply #49 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:22:28 PM »

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"Well. Zelda had and is still maintaining a tie-in ratio of nearly 80%"

Where are you getting that from? Because I'm seeing something a little closer to 60%.

Anyway, even still I'm not really surprised. Even for a person buying the console just for Wii Sports, I'd expect a lot of non-gamers to want to walk out of the store with at least one game purchase and, if there had to be one....

I don't see this translating into longevity...

Dude! Get over yourself! You sound like Ian for gods sake! All of your moaning, complaining and posturing isn't getting you anywhere and if you actually think for a second that games like Bio-whatever and MGS4 are the future of gaming, then I'm sorry to have to inform you but you have no imagination. They're just the same games over and over again just gussied up. That is not the future, that is the past. You can live there if you want but I'm sick and tired of it.

Twilight Princess is an incredible game. It's lush, beautiful and incredibly epic. But, in the end, it's still just Zelda. The same Zelda we've been playing since the N64. A fresh coat of paint and some new ideas can keep it interesting but it will never be NEW again. I love Zelda as much as the next person but I can only play what is fundamentally the same game over and over again so many times. Just like when 3D revolutionized gaming we need something new again. We can't just keep going forward letting graphics carry the entire brunt of game evolution. I don't know if the Wii is what we need, I don't think anyone can really say that. But at least it's new, it's different, and it's TRYING, which is a lot more than I can say for the PS3 or the XBox 360.

If you still think that remakes and rehashes are the future then I guess nothing anyone can say will ever change your mind. But that's okay, most people are afraid of change. Hopefully you'll outgrow it before you allow your fear to destroy something you could potentially love just because it's different.

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