Topic: whats the big deal about virtual console?

[Flames_of_chaos]

"Nintendo is just a bunch of greedy Japanses businesmen and they want to rip you off for as much as possible. I can't belive you guys have this loyalty to them that you consider a natural undermining of their artifical constraints to be stealing. Thats such crap, and I can't believe you guys have been duped into thinking that you owe Nintendo (or any other corporation) anything. "

Do you think any company is any different whats a company to live off if they didn't have any profit margins? At this rate im surprised that no one is bitching about how microsoft forces you to buy 1000 points, 2000 points or ect  (1000 MS points = 12.50) and you will always have points conveniently left over but enough to buy pointless crap like game pictures or themes. Or how Sony is making you buy PSone games on a PS3 then your forced to transfer it to a PSP just so you can play your 7.99 PSone purchase.

[Flames_of_chaos]

"Nintendo is just a bunch of greedy Japanses businesmen and they want to rip you off for as much as possible. I can't belive you guys have this loyalty to them that you consider a natural undermining of their artifical constraints to be stealing. Thats such crap, and I can't believe you guys have been duped into thinking that you owe Nintendo (or any other corporation) anything. "

Do you think any company is any different whats a company to live off if they didn't have any profit margins? At this rate im surprised that no one is bitching about how microsoft forces you to buy 1000 points, 2000 points or ect  (1000 MS points = 12.50) and you will always have points conveniently left over but enough to buy pointless crap like game pictures or themes. Or how Sony is making you buy PSone games on a PS3 then your forced to transfer it to a PSP just so you can play your 7.99 PSone purchase.

[segagamer12]

Just because they want to sell you somehting they worked hard to produce does not mean they want to rip you off. There ARE moral implications for those of us who HAVE morals. If it is not a moral issue with you, fine leave it alone, but don't expect those who DO HAVE moral issues with steeling to agree with you.

NOTHING you can say will justify steeling period as far as I am concerned. You can call them greedy bastards all you want, the truth is they are a business who is out to make money, there is NOTHING wrong with making money. There IS something wrong with steeling.  

[ViewtifulJoe]

well plenty of us have already payed for the games once so i wouldent concider it "stealing" because a game is a game wether you play it on the computer or on the n64.  There just is no need for me to buy the games twice.  

[segagamer12]

except it is steeling regardless if you have a N64 cart or not, that doesnt give you ownership of the program contained on that cart.  

[Strell]

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulJoe
well plenty of us have already payed for the games once so i wouldent concider it "stealing" because a game is a game wether you play it on the computer or on the n64.  There just is no need for me to buy the games twice.

That's called a convenience fee.  It's the same reason people pay a dollar more for movie tickets if they can buy them in advance and print them out to avoid lines.  Or why someone buys a DSLite, even though they own a DS.  Or pays for better tasting food when you can get more from Taco Bell.

While I agree there ought to be a way to transfer games to the VC that you physically own, that would defeat the entire purpose from the get go.  

[segagamer12]

So if I own Super Mario Bros on NEs that makes it ok for me to steel a copy of Classic NEs Super Mario bros for GBA?


try again.  

that was to viewtiful whats his name above not you strell.  

[ViewtifulJoe]

first of all why would any one buy the Classic NEs Super Mario bros for GBA and your argument makes no sence because nintendo dosn't lose money wene i download an emulator but they do if you steal an actual game cart. its just the same a going to the store, buying a cd and then loading it into itunes.   I alredy own the cd it now it wouldnt make sence to pay itunes download on my computer would it?

[MorningStar]

Segagamer, when the hell did anybody start talking about morals? Just because Nintendo is ripping us off (and they are) on the prices for the VC games doesn't mean we'd all turn to downloading them and emulating. Besides, I actually do think it's alright for me to download a ROM for my PC for a game I already own for the console. Why not? As long as I didn't distribute it to anybody else.

Nintendo is a business and their main priority is to make money. They are not here to make things convenient for us (although sometimes they will if they make money along the way) at their companies expense. They put the VC on the Wii to make money and to "make it convenient for us to have all the games from past systems on the same one". They just happen to make money as well. I respect and love Nintendo and wouldn't think of "stealing" or emulating their games (except for the situation above), but I still don't think the VC is fairly priced or decent enough for me to defend.

[SixthAngel]

Ripping you off assumes that Nintendo somehow tricked you or is taking your money through underhanded means.  Nintendo owns the rights to these games and can charge whatever they like.  They are totally open with the pricing and how they are releasing.  If you decide to buy the games you are not getting ripped off, you know exactly what you are getting and exactly the price you are paying.  The issue is what everyone dreamed it to be before the actual announcement.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulJoe
first of all why would any one buy the Classic NEs Super Mario bros for GBA

Nintendo has made so much money off of their Nintendo classics series on the GBA at $20 bucks a pop it isn't funny. You're not willing to rebuy your Disney Robin Hood movie (I got it for Christmas) on DVD even though you have it on VHS... and that's ok. But clearly, you're in the vast, VAST minority, economically speaking.

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulJoe
your argument makes no sence because nintendo dosn't lose money wene i download an emulator but they do if you steal an actual game cart.

So... you're saying that shoplifting is worse than emulating. Good job!

Seriously, SOMEBODY is being stolen from in both situations. In the first situation, Nintendo isn't getting paid because you're downloading a ROM instead of buying the game. In the second situation, the retailer is forced to lose money thanks to criminal activity.

The only common thread is that you've just gotten a free game at the expense of others.

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulJoe
its just the same a going to the store, buying a cd and then loading it into itunes.   I alredy own the cd it now it wouldnt make sence to pay itunes download on my computer would it?

I really don't care personally if you already own the game and you have a ROM for it. That's a legal and moral grey area, but one that is just too nitpicky to really care about. But do you really think that most people who use ROMs have the original games for each ROM? Heck... I know I wouldn't! (hypothetical! hypothetical!)

But... does this mean that you view the VC in the same light as iTunes? Because if you're going to argue against iTunes, then you're going to argue against something that's been legitimately accepted by the market, the mainstream, the media, and popular culture to boot. Might as well rail against the moon.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Artimus]

I paid about $3 less for Castlevania than I do for a single movie ticket and I've already played it for twice as long as the average movie lasts. I still have over half the game left. Do I wish SNES games were just three or four bucks? Yup. But does that mean it's a ripoff? No. I couldn't buy a pristine used copy of Castlevania IV for that price (unless I found it at a yard sale) and they usually go for $10+ on eBay. I don't think it's a ripoff when Nintendo is making slightly less selling their (Konami's) own game than other people are reselling it.

[Pittbboi]

Well, while I won't say Nintendo "rips us off" I will say they don't do very much to make you feel good about your purchase.

Sure, Nintendo is a business, and like EVERY BUSINESS they're trying to make money (people should stop saying that--it's stating the obvious x10). However, a good business knows how to sell you their product and make you feel good about it, like you're getting more bang for your buck and like you're actually pulling one over on the company, when in reality they're making a killing.

Other businesses make you feel had, like the only reason you're buying the product is because there's no comparable alternative and your desire for the product slightly outweighs the cost. You want what they're selling, so you're not being tricked, but the price makes you feel like you're giving way more than it's worth. And that's not a good feeling. Nintendo has done a lot of this, and the proof is in the fact that even people who are buying VC games and defending them, they're still admitting that they think the price is too high.

Nintendo could definitely learn how to make people feel better about buying from them. People who feel good about their purchases are more likely to remain loyal to the company they purchase from, where with people who feel like they're consistently being had usually flee the first chance they get (Nintendo definitely has experience with this).

[UncleBob]

I think it's pretty obvious out of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft fans, which company has the "more loyal" customer base.

By this, I mean, Sony, of course.  Did you see that frickin' awesome "All I want for Xmas is a PSP" site?  Damn, that's some customer loyality.  It puts my Nintendo Shrine to shame.

[Artimus]

I feel good about both of my VC purchases. This thread baffles me? Some of the NES games are ripoffs, but I don't think they're worthwhile at any price.

[Pittbboi]

Actually, wasn't there a study done recently showing that Sony did indeed have the most loyal fanbase?

[UncleBob]

There was a study done once showing that Eggs are bad for you.

And there was a study done once showing that Eggs are good for you.

Research can provide many answers.

[MorningStar]

I think a rip-off is really in the eye of the beholder. Some people may bid on a certain item on Ebay at a certain price while others may not think it's worth it, or, a ripoff. Same thing with the VC- many think the games are over priced while others are willing to shell out $10, $8, or $5 for old "classics".

So far, using the VC, I've downloaded Toejam and Earl and SMB and feel ripped off on both accounts. SMB doesn't have the charm that it used to have and isn't very good (in my opinion) when compared to SMB 3, SMW, etc. TJandE used to be one of my favorite games and when I found out it was being released for the VC, I was ecstatic. Needless to say, I downloaded it and was utterly disappointed. All in all, I feel I got ripped off. Is it Nintendo's fault? No, but I still don't feel like the games were worth my money.

[Infernal Monkey]

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Originally posted by: ViewtifulJoe
I dont own a wii yet but i dont understand why every one thinks the vitulal console is so great.  None of the games are diffrent and they can get kind of repetative (super mario bros).

I agree, every single game on the Virtual Console and hell, everything NES, SNES, Mega Drive and TG-16 ever had to offer are the same thing. None of them are different! Sim City is the exact same game as Alien Crush! Wario's Woods is just a rip off of F-Zero! And it is indeed shocking that these games don't change gameplay each level. I just spent an entire level running and jumping in Super Mario, why can't level 2 be a first person shooter and level 3 a house building simulation! What the hell, Nintendo.

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Nintendo should make new arcade games like the 360 and ps3s downloads or at least add online capabilatys to supersmash bros or mario party.

Nah, they shouldn't bother with new games for the VC. Because you yourself just said the ones on there at the moment are all the same! I agreed! We had a jolly good time! Why should they waste their time with new games that'd just be the same!

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It just seems like a waste of money when you could just as well download an emulator for free online.

And you posting this here seems like a waste of time when it's clearly a GameFAQs style thread. What are you doing with a Wii anyway? Since all video games are the same, you could just download Pong and you'd have every Wii game ever made.

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I think it's pretty obvious out of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft fans, which company has the "more loyal" customer base.

By this, I mean, Sony, of course.  Did you see that frickin' awesome "All I want for Xmas is a PSP" site?  Damn, that's some customer loyality.  It puts my Nintendo Shrine to shame.

That's the standard type of Sony fanboyism. And it reeks of insecurity. I think the average person in the Nintendo nation is generally on the intellectual side of things and doesn't feel the need to defend himself and his gaming position to the masses on a constant cycle of immature, overly defensive tripe fed to you via his blog and updated YouTube of the week videos consisting mainly of 13 year old, spoiled, white, suburban, pukebag manchildren smashing a DS in half with a billy club.

At any rate. I think in a Six Sides of Steel match a Nintendo fanboy would CRUSH a Sony fanboy. Because the Nintendo fanboy is all buff and stuff thanks to getting his Wii age down to a consistent 25 average. His ability to bowl on a pro level game ALONE would allow him to rip the Sony fanboy's head off and just as the last bit of life flickered from his fallen opponent's eyes, take out his Wii controller and overhand smash his head through the ring mat.

As the Nintendo fanboy celebrated victoriously in the ring, waving his nunchuck about in a triumphant manor, he would look down upon his smoten arch rival and think to himself "He's as dead as the concept of expanding the PSP's marketshare!"

Yeah. Then he'd pull off his mask and it would turn out he was Goku from DragonBall Z...and he would fly away...and then I'd touch a boob...that'd be cool.  

[segagamer12]

I had some nice reply already to go but the good people who replied befor eme hadnled it nicely so all I will add is that as a classic gamer and major collector, I personaly have no problem owning every single copy of a game for every systems its available on because for me thats worth it.

Also as far a VC goes, a LOT of games are rare and hard to find, those games being on VC will be a blessing and make it a really cool feature.  

[RampanT]

I have to admit, I also think the pricing of the VC games is too high. That has not stopped me purchasing however. I now have Mario 64, DKC, Sonic, F-Zero and Tennis. (Don't know why I bought that last one tbh) But I think I bought more just now than I normally would - because its Christmas, and I'm off work, and bored.

I totally agree with Pittbboi - in that there is still an overwhelming feeling that the purchases 'do not feel good'. In the UK - an N64 game costs £7.50, SNES/Genesis - £6, NES - £3.75. This is a little too high I feel. The pricing should be (at highest) N64 - £5, SNES £3.50, NES - £2. I think this would represent an acceptable pricing level, which still lines Nintendo's pocket in a healthy manner, but would reduce the feeling that you are not quite getting value for money.

Note - I actually still have my original N64 and SNES and all the software. But for convenience, and if the pricing was right, I would gladly re-purchase all my favourite titles for the VC. But I can't help but feel that the pricing leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth.

Even if Nintendo gave some discount to multiple game purchases, that would perhaps ease the pain. ie - Buy 3 SNES games get a NES game for free or such like. No doubt I will still buy most of my favourites, but I will also feel the need to gripe a bit about it.

[Kairon]

Wow... you poor europeans! I DEFINITELY agree that prices are too high over there...

but that's ordinary though right?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[RampanT]

Yeah, games are more expensive over here. I think we often pay the same figure in pounds as you guys do in dollars. So if you guys pay $40 for a game, we pay £40  - which is unbelievable, since £1 = $2.

The Wii cost £180 over here, which is $360.

So yeah, you can imagine that with a price structure of N64 = $15, SNES =$12 and NES = $7.50 - you guys would probably not be happy either.

[Ghisy]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Did you see that frickin' awesome "All I want for Xmas is a PSP" site?  Damn, that's some customer loyality.  It puts my Nintendo Shrine to shame.

Wasn't that a fake site made by the marketing guys from Sony? Cause I remember reading somewhere it was...