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« Reply #175 on: February 28, 2007, 12:42:30 PM »
Nintendo's practically prepped an entire market for third parties to completely sweep into and take over. I dunno why they're taking so long.

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« Reply #176 on: February 28, 2007, 02:30:25 PM »
"I didn't read through this entire post, but...."

... I'm sick of third parties. They either screw us over with crap games, screw Nintendo over with "exclusives" that show up on the other systems or, on the off occasion that they actually don't screw us over and we buy crap-tons of copies of their games, they go and take a money hat from Sony and make Soul Caliber 3 a PS2 exclusive.

I have no plans to show any third party "support" for the sake of thorwing them support.  I'll buy the games I want because I want them and that's that.  If third parties want me to buy their games, then they should make games I want on the system I want them on.  Otherwise, I'll be more than happy to give Nintendo my money - as we've already seen with two previous generations, Nintendo can do a pretty good job at keeping their own console alive and kicking with their own exclusives...  
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« Reply #177 on: February 28, 2007, 03:05:33 PM »
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"I didn't read through this entire post, but...."

... I'm sick of third parties. They either screw us over with crap games, screw Nintendo over with "exclusives" that show up on the other systems or, on the off occasion that they actually don't screw us over and we buy crap-tons of copies of their games, they go and take a money hat from Sony and make Soul Caliber 3 a PS2 exclusive.

I have no plans to show any third party "support" for the sake of thorwing them support.  I'll buy the games I want because I want them and that's that.  If third parties want me to buy their games, then they should make games I want on the system I want them on.  Otherwise, I'll be more than happy to give Nintendo my money - as we've already seen with two previous generations, Nintendo can do a pretty good job at keeping their own console alive and kicking with their own exclusives...


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« Reply #178 on: February 28, 2007, 03:11:25 PM »
But so far it seems we have two games that are solid 3rd party offerings, SSX Blur and Sonic Secret Rings (granted I think it is overhyped but it still is solid).
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« Reply #179 on: February 28, 2007, 03:13:24 PM »
And as much as I think Elebits is overhyped it is worth a rental at least, just in case it is your type of game.
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« Reply #180 on: February 28, 2007, 03:29:12 PM »
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And as much as I think Elebits is overhyped it is worth a rental at least, just in case it is your type of game.


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« Reply #181 on: February 28, 2007, 04:22:08 PM »
I honestly don't see why Unclebob is so bitter about the third party thing.

I agree with some of the stuff he said, but he is too bitter about what is essentially a business practice.

Third party companies develop because of one thing: MONEY

It's true that many developers make games for the love of it, and some of the best games ever were the best because a lot of passion was put into them. But its hard to DENY that the companies that supports them wants something in return, and that is money. They put a lot of money into these games so its obvious they want something back, especially in greater numbers.

UB, I think you are being way too harsh on third parties since nearly all of them were just acting rationally.

Even though Sony and MS helped create a kiddy image its hard to deny that Nintendo also did some damage to themselves, being uber strict with third parties, being the hardest to develop for and being stubborn about doing their own thing (something that fans STILL criticize today).

So do a little thinking, if you were a third party developer would you:
A) Develop for a console that has a great company backing it up but has a low userbase
B) Developer for a console that has a great userbase and thus its guaranteed that they will buy your game

That's what developers were doing during the PS2 and XBOX era. They went to the consoles with the highest userbase, the gold mine so to speak.

Now, its clear that the gold mine are the Nintendo DS and the Wii, so now developers are flocking to both systems in hopes of getting some.

This is why we have Square back with Nintendo, plenty of third parties offering ports and many games being canceled for the PS3.

Also, don't underestimate the power of third party games. The PS empire was built upon the highest collection of third party games ever created, including the mighty Final Fantasy games. In many cases, these third party games outsold Nintendo's first party games. This is why we had Reggie going to Rockstar, Nintendo offering developing kits to all sorts of people and providing easy to learn tools; they know that the more developers they support the jackpot will eventually be hit.

As mentioned many a time; lots of third party games=variety=lots of fans buying the system.

It's true that the 1st party games helped Nintendo survive through the N64 and GC eras, but I doubt they would've lasted another one if they had stayed with their GC strategy.

Its OK if you don't want to buy the third party games. No one is forcing you to. But that doesn't mean you should diss the games, the companies and even the fans that enjoy them. Its true that many support the games for the hell of supporting them, but MANY of us simply want to play a good game. We want to look for experiences outside Nintendo and chances are we will find them in a third party game.

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« Reply #182 on: February 28, 2007, 06:13:24 PM »
Great post Pap, I agree 173.5555%
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« Reply #183 on: March 01, 2007, 01:00:07 AM »
I'm not "dissing" third parties or their fans, per say.  I'm just saying that I'm sick of this "If you want third party support, you have to buy their games, even if they're crap." additude that some people have.  Like I said in the eariler post - if a third party wants me to buy their game, they simply have to make a *good* game on a system that I want it on.  I don't think that's too much to ask.
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RE:Wii Third Party Domination
« Reply #184 on: March 01, 2007, 02:38:59 AM »
am I the only person here who enjoyed Manhunt? I don't like stealth games and I'm not to fond of GTA but Manhunt was a lot of fun. Imagine multiplayer :rool::

UB you can support 3rd party games without buying them. I'm not going to buy My Sims but I know my friends gf plays the sims for PC so next time I see her I'm going to mention how the Wii is getting the game and its supposed to be really good.

The more 3rd party games the Wii sells the more 3rd part games the Wii will get. Like these so-called "heavy hitters" personally I like disteaction games like Wii Sports and Manhunt, just play for five to twenty minutes while waiting to be picked up to go out, or your pizza delivery. You can't do that with games like Zelda, or at least I can't.  
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« Reply #185 on: March 01, 2007, 02:48:31 AM »
Ha ha ha, what happened to this thread?

I don't hold anything against third parties, they did whatever they felt was best for them these last two generations...but like UncleBob, I won't go out of my way to buy their products...I buy what looks interesting to me.
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« Reply #186 on: March 01, 2007, 03:45:38 AM »
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You've really got to be kidding yourself if you believe the media and Jack Thompson are making such a huge stink about this game because of how good it's allegedly going to be and NOT just the violence and gore specifically.


So you want a hyped game but you admit hyped games suck?

Make up your mind.

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It's an opposing opinion that's all subjective. You're taking the "OMG THIS IS GREAT" angle, and I'm quite skeptical. And the fact that in most game reviews controls are still a major point of contention seem to point out that I'm not entirely wrong for thinking the wiimote has yet to truly prove itself.


Are you kidding? The second I swung and hit a tennis ball in Wii Sports, the Wiimote proved itself. The first time I came around a corner in Red Steel and put a bullet through a guy's head with a split second flick of my wrist, the Wiimote proved itself.

This is what I'm talking about: you and Ian both are holding the Wii to some ridiculously high standards and it seems to be from some personal vendetta against Nintendo because you haven't yet seen this magical game announced which is somehow going to "prove the Wiimote" in your eyes.

I'm skeptical, too, but only when the situation genuinely calls for skepticism. I've pored over Nintendo's situation multiple times and I can see precious little which says to me that Nintendo has ANYWHERE to go but UP.

The two biggest developers in the world, EA and Ubi, are starting a pissing contest to see who can provide the best Wii support. How do you just DISMISS that? Because you don't like their games? Congrats, but the rest of the world DOES.

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Because I can still be a Nintendo fan and not kiss their ass every morning when I get out of bed.


I'm not kissing Nintendo's ass: I'm stating the reality of the situation. Despite a bizarre name, despite a weird controller and despite hardware shortages because Nintendo can't predict or meet demand worth a damn, Nintendo is still doing insanely well right now. That's not a wish, that's an OBSERVATION.

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Because, as I said, as skeptical as I am of Nintendo right now I still subscribe to their gaming philosophy more than any other and the fact that I purchase their consoles and their games with my hard earned money entitles me to the right to hold them to the promises they make and the standards they set.


Promises NINTENDO makes?!? You're b*tching about a LACK OF 3RD PARTY SUPPORT, FFS!

Nintendo itself will be delivering plenty of excellent games, and 3rd parties are, despite what you think, rapidly warming to the console, but to somehow believe that you can hold NINTENDO responsible for what 3rd parties do? Huh?

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I'm one of the few that believed Matt C when he said there were amazing games that he's seen and are coming (I seem to be in the minority on that). So I do have a measure of faith left in third parties in regards to the Wii.


Actually, I think the rest of us are all well aware that more great games we didn't know about are coming. It's just that we didn't need Matt to tell us.

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Patience is required, and trust me if I didn't have that I would have sold my Wii a long time ago.  Keep in mind, however, that I'm purely speaking from what we KNOW right now. Nintendo's beat the optimism out of me over the years, so I prefer to talk about the things we know are coming and the announcements that have been made. And, from where we stand now, nothing BIG seems to be in the works yet, and it's a little distressing, because Nintendo definitely needs to keep their momentum up with the Wii. I do have faith in the GDC delivering a few juicy tidbits to keep us tied over until E3, which should be a major showing for whatever else Nintendo has up their sleeve.


Ok, but understand that the amount of complaining you're doing seems to suggest that you aren't keen on practicing patience in this regard.

The Wii is 3-4 months old and Nintendo has already announced a plethora of games for it. We'll be seeing MP3, SMG, SSBB, Super Paper Mario and Fire Emblem this year alone. That's a pretty decent lineup out of Nintendo, but beyond that, what more do you expect? They've made the Wii as appealing as possible for 3rd parties to develop for and it IS rapidly starting to show.

The point is, Nintendo has done what they have to do. If you want to be angry at someone/thing, start sending emails to 3rd parties asking them why they're not supporting the Wii yet.

The console is selling like wildfire, has an awesome tie-in ratio and is easy to develop for. The ball is SQUARELY in the court of the 3rd parties now.
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« Reply #187 on: March 01, 2007, 04:10:56 AM »
The Wiimote proved itself in my eyes when I pointed the cursor at something and it gave a tiny rumble...

Not making fun of it or anything, but I felt that was very intuitive  and made it look like I was truly touching something.

But what really convinced me that the Wiimote was special was when my 50+ year old mother grabbed and started playing Wii Sports with me and S_B.
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« Reply #188 on: March 01, 2007, 04:51:10 AM »
"In Pitt and Ian's case, their subjective beliefs are stronger than the facts mentioned in other rebuttals."

What facts?  Someone says that the Wii third party support currently is really good and then lists a bunch of titles that I view as largely insignificant.  While it is factual that those games are coming out and it is factual that Ubisoft and EA are on board whether that support is good or bad is open to debate.

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« Reply #189 on: March 01, 2007, 05:19:56 AM »
Well Ian what you view as significant and what others think are significant are two whole levels. I think Nintendo is purposely pulling back to let 3rd parties shine and let the Wii to be geared to everybody which was something Nintendo wanted to do with the Gamecube but ultimately failed. If Nintendo went the hard ass route again I don't think we would get games such as Godfather, Scarface, Driver:Parallel Lanes,Mortal Kombat on the Wii those are popular franchises to teens and 20 somethings and while they may be "old" games they get a second chance with a brand new audience.

Also its always inevitable if some of those games end up being crappy hell even Nintendo publishes some games that are considered to be mediocre or poor so I think people are being hard asses about that. And in my opinion the dought spots on Wii are little to none since the third parties and the virtual console content are keeping everybody busy. And the gaps between Nintendo games aren't that severe.


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« Reply #190 on: March 01, 2007, 05:22:50 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane While it is factual that those games are coming out and it is factual that Ubisoft and EA are on board whether that support is good or bad is open to debate.


What...?

There has NEVER been bad support for a console maker.

Even the most perverted or controversial games have never tainted the console they were developed for. If that were the case, the PS2 would have failed because of the controversy surrounding GTA.

Support is good. It's ALWAYS good. It can't NOT Be good. If it's one more reason, however small, for a potential customer to own your console, then it's good for the console, largely because those reasons add up over time.
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« Reply #191 on: March 01, 2007, 05:30:17 AM »
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So you want a hyped game but you admit hyped games suck?

Make up your mind.


Are you serious?

These are completely different types of hype here. I'm talking about the kind of hype a game gets because everything about it screams that it's going to be a great experience. The "OMG I can't wait until this game comes out it's going to be so awesome!" type of hype. Nintendo's games get this kind of hype. Jack Thompson isn't a gamer, the type of hype he's generating for Manhunt 2 has nothing to do with how good it's going to be. The funk he's causing over the game is purely over how violent it is. That's completely different, and says nothing about how good the game might be.

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Are you kidding? The second I swung and hit a tennis ball in Wii Sports, the Wiimote proved itself. The first time I came around a corner in Red Steel and put a bullet through a guy's head with a split second flick of my wrist, the Wiimote proved itself.

This is what I'm talking about: you and Ian both are holding the Wii to some ridiculously high standards and it seems to be from some personal vendetta against Nintendo because you haven't yet seen this magical game announced which is somehow going to "prove the Wiimote" in your eyes.


WiiSports, for me, proved the potential of the wiimote. It proved to me that Nintendo was right in investing so much in it. WiiSports was fun and quirky, but I would be lying if I said I would be satisfied if the height of the wiimote's potential had already been reached with the game that came with the system. I would be lying if I said I would be satisfied with how the wiimote's been applied to FPSs. As it stands now, the wiimote is far from perfect.

Nintendo said that there would be a revolution in gaming, and that they were going to be the cause of it. Well, they're off to a nice start, but if you think that I'm supposed to be completely satisfied with simple "point here" and "swing the wiimote like a racket, nifty huh?" controls, you're wrong. I'm waiting until I see some truly innovative controls that move beyond the obvious novelty and doesn't get mixed reviews on how well they work before I say the wiimote's completely proved itself to me.

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The two biggest developers in the world, EA and Ubi, are starting a pissing contest to see who can provide the best Wii support. How do you just DISMISS that?


But what does that MEAN? That's what I and more than a few people fear. I don't feel I'm wrong for a taking a "let's wait and see" approach while everyone else is, once again, dancing around the maypole over an announcement that could mean squat. People did it with the Cube; people did it when Ubisoft announced all those titles for the wii that turned out to be pretty bad. Even I got briefly excited over news of a new EA IP for the Wii, but that pretty much sunk when I saw the words "for the Wii crowd" and "sunshine".

I just want to see that third parties are taking the wii more seriously than the Cube. I've said this before, it's good that they're giving more games to the Wii, but when it comes right down to it they're the same games they gave the Cube. Safe, 'can port them anywhere' games that require no real risk and thus contain no real innovation. The highest gain for the lowest input. This is good for sheer numbers, but geez, the wiimote wasn't meant for simply having PS2 controls mapped to it. And I love my Wii to death, but if we get another mini-game game or "tilt the world to roll the monkeyball/marble/water drop" game I'm going to scream.

When I see a game that gets announced to as much fanfare as Redsteel did, I'll be more than happy. Something that shows the developers don't just want to have the most crap titles on the system, but are now willing to put some seriously power behind it. Haven't seen that yet, and i know the Wii is still young, but frankly...how long are we supposed to wait for even an announcement? Even the PS3, being as young as the Wii and with all it's problems, has handful of high profile games in the works for it that people KNOW are coming.

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Nintendo itself will be delivering plenty of excellent games, and 3rd parties are, despite what you think, rapidly warming to the console, but to somehow believe that you can hold NINTENDO responsible for what 3rd parties do? Huh?

I can hold Nintendo responsible because they waited until the last possible minute to give developers the tools to even develop for the system, for holding so steadfast to an online structure that is universally hated by all, and only RECENTLY getting out tools to develop for that structure.  

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« Reply #192 on: March 01, 2007, 05:40:59 AM »
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« Reply #194 on: March 01, 2007, 06:01:34 AM »
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These are completely different types of hype here. I'm talking about the kind of hype a game gets because everything about it screams that it's going to be a great experience. The "OMG I can't wait until this game comes out it's going to be so awesome!" type of hype. Nintendo's games get this kind of hype. Jack Thompson isn't a gamer, the type of hype he's generating for Manhunt 2 has nothing to do with how good it's going to be. The funk he's causing over the game is purely over how violent it is. That's completely different, and says nothing about how good the game might be.


And like I said earlier, if you have a problem with it, b*tch to 3rd parties. MP3 is hype inducing. SMG is hype inducing. And like it or not, DQ: Swords is going to lay down a SH*TLOAD of hype, especially in Japan where they're genetically incapable of not buying DQ games.

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Nintendo said that there would be a revolution in gaming, and that they were going to be the cause of it. Well, they're off to a nice start, but if you think that I'm supposed to be completely satisfied with simple "point here" and "swing the wiimote like a racket, nifty huh?" controls, you're wrong. I'm waiting until I see some truly innovative controls that move beyond the obvious novelty and doesn't get mixed reviews on how well they work before I say the wiimote's completely proved itself to me.


So you expected the Wii remote to reach its full potential in 4 months of release? That's the most unrealistic expectation I've ever seen.

You can't honestly tell me that you expected the change to come about in this short of a time? The analogue stick took a lot longer for people to truly wrap their games around it.

But on the subject, MP3 is coming, SMG is coming and we know both of these games will heavily rely upon the Wiimote and will quite possibly "prove the concept".

The point is, if you have immensely unrealistic expectations, you're never going to be happy and expecting that Nintendo will revolutionize the industry in 4 months is completely unrealistic.

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I just want to see that third parties are taking the wii more seriously than the Cube.


They are. The cube didn't have this much 3rd party support and no one was opening new dev houses to focus on the cube.

This sh*t takes TIME. EA, Ubi and Disney are shifting focus to the Wii now, but in 6-8 months, we'll start seeing the results of those efforts. It's not going to happen overnight. It didn't happen that way for the PS2 and it won't happen that way for the Wii, and complaining about it isn't going to solve anything.

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When I see a game that gets announced to as much fanfare as Redsteel did, I'll be more than happy. Something that shows the developers don't just want to have the most crap titles on the system, but are now willing to put some seriously power behind it. Haven't seen that yet, and i know the Wii is still young, but frankly...how long are we supposed to wait for even an announcement? Even the PS3, being as young as the Wii and with all it's problems, has handful of high profile games in the works for it that people KNOW are coming.


Those were games which were promised before the infamous Sony press conference, and like I said, Square and Konami are being heavily rumored to porting those games.

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I can hold Nintendo responsible because they waited until the last possible minute to give developers the tools to even develop for the system, for holding so steadfast to an online structure that is universally hated by all, and only RECENTLY getting out tools to develop for that structure.


Ok, sure, but that's not what you've been complaining about the last three pages. Your complaints have primarily been directed at the lack of games which appeal to you personally.
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« Reply #195 on: March 01, 2007, 06:16:30 AM »
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And like it or not, DQ: Swords is going to lay down a SH*TLOAD of hype, especially in Japan where they're genetically incapable of not buying DQ games.


I'm personally looking forward to DQ: Swords, but I doubt that it's going to lay down much hype in the States, where DQ has largely been an overlooked series.

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So you expected the Wii remote to reach its full potential in 4 months of release? That's the most unrealistic expectation I've ever seen.


Again, I've never expected the wiimote to reach that level in four months. Never even implied that. But, in four months time we should have at least heard of third party games that WILL be using the wiimote to its potential in the future. Hell, we should have been hearing about that BEFORE the console even launched, but I can pardon third parties for that because the fault lies with Nintendo for not having their sh*t together and giving third parties the tools they need.

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Those were games which were promised before the infamous Sony press conference, and like I said, Square and Konami are being heavily rumored to porting those games.


Yeah, to the 360 and PC. I'm not pimping the PS3 here by using it as an example; whether or not these titles stay exclusive to PS3 is, unfortunately, of no consequence to me because they're definitely not being ported to the Wii (the Wii just couldn't handle them without serious, experience-compromising, downgrading). So either way I'd have to go elsewhere if I wanted to play them.

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Your complaints have primarily been directed at the lack of games which appeal to you personally.


Well, this is a thread about third parties.

I only include Nintendo because yes, I feel that they could be doing a little more to attract third parties, but mostly I'm lamenting the lack of quality third party support. And it goes beyond my personal tastes. Where are the RPGs? Mature, epic platforms? Genres Nintendo STILL can drum up third party interest for.  

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« Reply #196 on: March 01, 2007, 07:38:36 AM »
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Where are the RPGs? Mature, epic platforms? Genres Nintendo STILL can drum up third party interest for.


On the 360, believe it or not.

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« Reply #197 on: March 01, 2007, 07:40:21 AM »
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi I'm personally looking forward to DQ: Swords, but I doubt that it's going to lay down much hype in the States, where DQ has largely been an overlooked series.


I think Manhunt 2 WILL bring that hype in the states. Like I said, once a video hits with someone using a Wiimote and nunchuck to murder people, then the violent game crowd will go INSANE, and the violent gamer crowd is a large part of the US market.

And in the states, games which spur controversy outsell games like FF and MGS. All three of the next gen GTAs outsold even the highest selling FF and MGS games.

My guess is that Rockstar knows the GTA series has kinda seen its peak of controversy. How much further can they go? Also, there are a plethora of GTA clones out there.

Since they're a company that thrives on controversy, where can they go next? What can they do to one-up the stir that GTA3 created? How about twisting a knife into someone's back with a Wiimote or sawing someone's head off? How about crushing a skull with a nunchuck?

I think this will be their goal, and despite the media outcry, I expect the violent gamer crowd in the US to eat it right up.

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Again, I've never expected the wiimote to reach that level in four months. Never even implied that. But, in four months time we should have at least heard of third party games that WILL be using the wiimote to its potential in the future. Hell, we should have been hearing about that BEFORE the console even launched, but I can pardon third parties for that because the fault lies with Nintendo for not having their sh*t together and giving third parties the tools they need.


From everything I heard, it was an unwillingness to try new things which steered most 3rd parties away from the Wii. Ubisoft was the exception and the fact that they're now making money hand over fist is no doubt rallying many companies to offer Wii support.

But like I said, this stuff takes time, and again, your views on what "WILL be using the wiimote to its potential" are too subjective to quantify, really.

Godfather will use the pointer to aim, the Wiimote to reload, and a combination of the mote and chuck to perform all sorts of violent maneuvers, like beating people up, choking them and throwing them off buildings.

If I asked your average teenager, he'd say THAT is the full potential because it sells him most on a game.

So what would your definition of "full potential" be?

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Yeah, to the 360 and PC. I'm not pimping the PS3 here by using it as an example; whether or not these titles stay exclusive to PS3 is, unfortunately, of no consequence to me because they're definitely not being ported to the Wii (the Wii just couldn't handle them without serious, experience-compromising, downgrading). So either way I'd have to go elsewhere if I wanted to play them.


I have to disagree about experience compromising downgrading, but again, how is this Nintendo's fault? You're lamenting the fact that these franchises aren't on the Wii. Ok, but there's no one to blame for this except Square and Konami. Like I said, write them emails if you love these franchises so much.

Also, you might want to wait until these games are ACTUALLY out before you complain that the Wii has nothing to match them. We don't know what will happen between now and then.

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I only include Nintendo because yes, I feel that they could be doing a little more to attract third parties, but mostly I'm lamenting the lack of quality third party support. And it goes beyond my personal tastes. Where are the RPGs? Mature, epic platforms? Genres Nintendo STILL can drum up third party interest for.


The only other thing Nintendo could do to attract 3rd parties is start shelling out moneyhats.

Beyond that, they've given them a new, innovative control scheme, a console which is cheap and easy to develop for, spaced out releases of 1st party titles so as not to snuff 3rd party successes, NO requirements for HD content and a growing userbase for a console which they can't keep on the shelves fast enough.

Believe me when I say that the ball is in the court of 3rd parties and if they decide to not support the Wii, they'll be missing out, bigtime.
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« Reply #198 on: March 01, 2007, 07:46:02 AM »
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I'm not "dissing" third parties or their fans, per say.  I'm just saying that I'm sick of this "If you want third party support, you have to buy their games, even if they're crap." additude that some people have.  Like I said in the eariler post - if a third party wants me to buy their game, they simply have to make a *good* game on a system that I want it on.  I don't think that's too much to ask.


We're not saying you have to buy the game. We're saying you have to give it a chance insteasd of dismissing it outright and having your eyes simply glaze over when you see it on the shelf. Nintendo gamers are WAY too used to seeing only Nintendo games, and that sort of prejudice at the store shelf is bad for gaming, bad for business, bad for third parties, and even bad for Nintendo.

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« Reply #199 on: March 01, 2007, 07:54:50 AM »
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I'm not "dissing" third parties or their fans, per say.  I'm just saying that I'm sick of this "If you want third party support, you have to buy their games, even if they're crap." additude that some people have.  Like I said in the eariler post - if a third party wants me to buy their game, they simply have to make a *good* game on a system that I want it on.  I don't think that's too much to ask.


We're not saying you have to buy the game. We're saying you have to give it a chance insteasd of dismissing it outright and having your eyes simply glaze over when you see it on the shelf. Nintendo gamers are WAY too used to seeing only Nintendo games, and that sort of prejudice at the store shelf is bad for gaming, bad for business, bad for third parties, and even bad for Nintendo.

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Well said, Kai.

Here's the math that explains it:
Low third party sales=loss of profit for third parties
Loss of profit on a Nintendo console=Little to no support for Nintendo
No support for Nintendo=A Nintendo console with very little game variety
No games=Displeased fans
Displeased fans=No support for Nintendo
No support for Nintendo=Low profits for Nintendo
Low profits=A dark future for Nintendo
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