Author Topic: Official Sales Thread (Read 3953527 times)

Neodymium · « **Reply #175 on:** December 21, 2006, 03:28:14 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Stop the hating! Oh god! Stop all the hating!

The poor poor Japanese... WHY?!?!? Why are you doing this to them?!?!?! They only want to buy more DS games! Is that so bad? Is it? Zelda never sold great there... never! It's not their fault! It's... it's... just that they have really small rooms...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #176 on:** December 21, 2006, 03:34:41 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
RPGs are typically very easy games, easy because even the most difficult opponents can be overcome with enough mindless farming of enemies until you can overpower the bosses you need to kill.

Not entirely...Grinding sometimes can be hard and takes a lot of patience and time to do. If you want to get the ultimate weapons that sometimes can be VERY hard to obtain. And even with the characters being over powered that doesn't mean the boss will be easy to defeat. The last easy boss I encountered was in FFX because Square made the mistake of making it being weak to undead attacks. But even then, in the FF games I've played it takes A LOT of work before you can truly over power a boss, which isn't always easy.

And my point is that you are being a bit unfair in this argument when what you said isn't entirely the truth. Like I said, by your logic the old school games, whether they be easy or hard, would've flopped and the DS games, which favor quirky, fun and enduring gameplay over flashy cinematics and epic story telling, have been doing great. I think we established that your beef lies with Famitsu, which were the ones that over glorified FFXII while they played down Twilight Princess. Just as there are gamers in the US that hate the GTAs and the Maddens there are Japanese games that hate overly long cinemas and favor gameplay over story.

And I forgot to mention earlier that the Pokemon games sell like CRAZY in Japan. True, you might say that the Japanese eat anything Pokemon, but the series itself favor collecting, competition and strategies over storylines. And you said once that the game is pretty deep.

Kenology · « **Reply #177 on:** December 21, 2006, 05:04:47 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Stop the hating! Oh god! Stop all the hating!

The poor poor Japanese... WHY?!?!? Why are you doing this to them?!?!?! They only want to buy more DS games! Is that so bad? Is it? Zelda never sold great there... never! It's not their fault! It's... it's... just that they have really small rooms...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Zelda games some over a million until Majora's Mask. Also, I think the lack of Wiis and it's availability on the Cube have a lot to do with Wii TP's fall from the Top 30.

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Originally posted by: Neodymium
Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!

You're definitely in the minority there.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #178 on:** December 21, 2006, 08:16:21 AM »

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Originally posted by: Neodymium The newer-style RPGs are. Xenosaga, FF post X, etc. But FFIII, a very difficult old-style RPG sold through the roof, as has the Dragon Quest series.

FFIII isn't hard, it's time consuming.

I'll lend credit to real-time RPGs like Mana which can be won or lost depending on they player's reflexes and ability to analyze an enemy's attack patterns, but any RPG which is turn-based and you can grind enemies for exp is NOT difficult.

Boredom ? challenge. If the only thing preventing you from seeing the entire story right away is the amount of time you spend between cutscenes/story interludes, then there isn't any CHALLENGE in the game. Challenge is the thing which makes players avoid games like F-Zero GX and the hardest difficulty in FPS games like Quake and Marathon.

Famitsu mentioned that one of its gripes with Zelda was that it was too hard. Huh? Without spoiling anything, I can safely say that this was the one of the easiest Zelda games I've ever played. All of the bosses were pushovers and while the puzzles were moderately more clever than they had been in the past, they still weren't anything even verging on "too hard".

One of the things I loved most about any Zelda game was how the boss rooms were always so colossal and intimidating when you looked at them on the dungeon map. The bosses were a bit of a let down, and that being the case, I just can't see where this alleged difficulty arose from in the game.

This is generalizing, yes, and while I'm quite certain there are many brave Japanese men and women who do not shrink in the face of challenging gameplay, magazines like Famitsu are busy damaging the good name of such people by throwing out 40s to RPGs and pet sims and calling Zelda "too hard".

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #179 on:** December 21, 2006, 09:04:08 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
This is generalizing, yes, and while I'm quite certain there are many brave Japanese men and women who do not shrink in the face of challenging gameplay, magazines like Famitsu are busy damaging the good name of such people by throwing out 40s to RPGs and pet sims and calling Zelda "too hard".

Just like IGN, Gamespot, Game informer, EGM, Gamepro and ESPECIALLY G4 TV are ruining the image of the american gamer by oogling over the GTAs, Maddens and crappy FPS and crapping over the GOOD games.

Looks like crappy game media is universal... :p

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #180 on:** December 21, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »

Exactly.

Shame we don't have more game publications done by, well...gamers.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #181 on:** December 22, 2006, 02:31:14 AM »

I think it's narrow-minded to judge the worth of games just by challenge level and reflexes. By the same token, early computer gamers and tabletop gamers scoffed at the youngsters playing "simple", "shallow" games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders back in the day. Arcade games aren't better or worse than Dungeons and Dragons, they're different.

Ceric · « **Reply #182 on:** December 22, 2006, 03:24:14 AM »

I'm a little late but I see the Wii having a 3 year lifespan till the core console unit gets the HD upgrade. Then 6 years for that unit. (The peripherals won't change.)

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #183 on:** December 22, 2006, 06:00:45 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey I think it's narrow-minded to judge the worth of games just by challenge level and reflexes.

Since that shoe goes on both feet, I'm inclined to ram it up Famitsu's ass.

If they're going to blast Zelda for being "too hard", I'm going to blast them for prizing storyline to the point where they're willing to ignore shoddy game interfaces and still give games perfect scores.

jasonditz · « **Reply #184 on:** December 23, 2006, 03:31:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: UERD

If Nintendo waits 8-10 years to put out a new console, it's doomed regardless...which is why I agree we'll probably see a Wii2 in 5 or less years, or whatever next-generation solution Nintendo decides to cook up next. Honestly, in light of what even mid-level computers with hardware upgrades can put out these days, I think that the most compelling arguments towards consoles in general revolve around the aspects that PCs can't easily duplicate: input mechanisms specialized for gaming, easy setup, same-room multiplayer action. These are aspects upon which the Wii is competing.

Another five years or so should be just about right for WiiHD.

IceCold · « **Reply #185 on:** December 23, 2006, 03:52:02 PM »

Yeah - I don't want to see another console for at least that long.. releasing one in 3 years would be a mistake.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #186 on:** December 23, 2006, 04:30:08 PM »

I just read on another site, that according to VG Charts, which also puts 360 at about 7.2 million and PS3 at 1 million, that Wii is at 2.5 million worldwide. If that's true, then Wii has 23% of the market...in just over a god damn month. Posting from the Internet Channel, BTW.

IceCold · « **Reply #187 on:** December 23, 2006, 05:12:34 PM »

They'll definitely reach the 6 million fiscal year target..

Kairon · « **Reply #188 on:** December 23, 2006, 08:26:59 PM »

Ah, but was the 4 million worldwide in 2006 target market speak? Was that an unrealistic number they threw out to appease the world and to maintain their image? And what will the real 2006 numbers look like for the Wii? 2.9 million?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

IceCold · « **Reply #189 on:** December 23, 2006, 08:35:09 PM »

It wasn't market speak; I honestly believe they thought they could reach that target, but failed. 3 or even 2.5 million is nothing to scoff at for the first 5 weeks - had they known it would be that much, I'm sure they would have said so. They now have three months until the end of March; plenty of time..

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #190 on:** December 23, 2006, 10:00:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: IceCold
It wasn't market speak; I honestly believe they thought they could reach that target, but failed. 3 or even 2.5 million is nothing to scoff at for the first 5 weeks - had they known it would be that much, I'm sure they would have said so. They now have three months until the end of March; plenty of time..

Yeah I really doubt Nintendo would exaggerate the numbers on purpose since it has repurcussions (usually stocks take a hit).

Mario · « **Reply #191 on:** December 23, 2006, 10:10:50 PM »

It's the DS's fault. They probably didn't think it would take off in the US til Pokemon, so had to make more.

The Omen · « **Reply #192 on:** December 24, 2006, 01:23:50 AM »

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Originally posted by: Neodymium
Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!

You're definitely in the minority there.

I think he's being an a-hole. Like "Look how hip and cool I am! I made a sarcastic remark about America! Yay!"

How original.

Bigger games are going no where. This is just like the film industry. All of these smaller games can be compared to the independent films that got all the pub in the early 70's and 90's. People reacted in much the same way-"the big films are dead. Budgets will decrease and independents will open the doors for more original content." Was it true? Not so much, no. Independents do get more attention now, but the bigger films still have the market. Like a certain trilogy that people really seemed to like recently. But after each independent cycle, of say 7 years, a cycle of huge blockbusters follow. Games huge in scope will always have a built in audience, and as long as they do they'll remain a staple of any console.

Japan also doesn't care for Metroid by the way, so let them have their little mini games while I enjoy the "big" games.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #193 on:** December 27, 2006, 04:33:32 AM »

Rought #'s for this week:

Software:
DS:
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Pokemon Pearl/Diamond - 400k (LTD over 4m)
New Super Mario Bro.(LTD over 3.8m) , Kirby,, Jump Ultimate Stars, Animal Crossing - 150 - 200k each
Love and Berry DS, General Knowledge DS, Rockman - 100k each
Tertis DS LTD over 1m

Wii:
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Wii Sports, Wii Play - 150k each
Pokemon, Zelda, Wario - 50k each

PS3:
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AC4 - 30k

PSP
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MGS OP - 150k
Tales of World - 100k

Xbox360
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Lost Planet - 30k
Blue Dragon - 80k

Hardware:
DS: 500,000
Wii: 300,000
PS3: 100,000
PSP: 100,000
X360: XX,000

(rough)Market Percentages:
Software 80% Nintendo
Hardware 70% Nintendo

More exact #'s will be posted in the DS sales thread whenever they are released.
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Here are more sales #'s according to VGCharts.org

Pokemon D/P & AC cross the 4million mark
NSMB & BT2 are right behind both of them (3.9+million)
Jump Ultimate (DS), WiiSPorts & WiiPlay are all around the 500k mark
WiiSports & WiiPlay* is at > 50% attach rate each
while Zelda(Wii) is at < 1/3

*WiiPlay does include another controller

Mario · « **Reply #194 on:** December 27, 2006, 05:08:47 AM »

Absolute domination. It's a crime that Wii Sports isn't selling 1:1 with the system.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #195 on:** December 28, 2006, 06:57:50 AM »

Media Create Dec. 18th - 24th

Hardware:
DSL 485,584
Wii 279,277
PSP 138,588
PS3 76,882
PS2 46,209
Xbox360 17,213
GBM 2,394
GBASP 1,858
GC 1,250
DS 380
GBA 57
Xbox 11

YTD / LTD

NDS: 8,182,409 / 13,829,358
PSP: 1,780,498 / 4,463,454

Wii: 823,311 / 823,311
PS3: 385,831 / 385,831
360: 177,266 / 247,793

Looks like Nintendo will have that 1 million in Japan before years end, and if they ship this week, like they did last week, then they will actually exceed predicted shipments.

also Wii => PS3+PS2+PSP for the Wiik.
Now if only Nintnedo was boosting Wii production instead of DS production, maybe we would see DS like #'s for the Wii.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #196 on:** December 28, 2006, 07:38:33 AM »

I want to know what the NA numbers are if Japan is almost hitting a million!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #197 on:** December 28, 2006, 07:51:49 AM »

1 billion!

Caterkiller · « **Reply #198 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:01:19 AM »

This pretty cool. How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now? Scary huh?

If the Wii can keep this kind difference in sales up even when both machines are readily available for all, then man good times are headed our way.

Im so much more cautious with Nintendo's performance since the Wii was announced. When Gamecube was on its way I made it seem like Nintendo could do no wrong. I can defenitly see i've grown over the years.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #199 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:03:02 AM »

wii is doing better than xbox 360 did in the same time

News:

Poll

Will Nintendo pull off another 30 for 30 in Japan sales this year and, if so, how many times?

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