Topic: It seems we have a winner...GameCube philes be damned!

[Ceric]

Ironically enough I've just been thinking the Ian's opinions where actually getting tamer and more main stream.

[The Traveller]

I can see where Ian is coming from, whats the point in getting the Wii one if it isnt truly better than the Cube one.

Well seeing though I played it the other night I can say that the controls work well, the only part that I found a little annoying was the aiming of the bow/arrow. I found it moved a little too easily, but that was only a minor problem I had. And apparently the game has a sensitivity setting so its not going to matter in the end. Using the wiimote for sword slashes is good, although when locked on you still push the A button to do Links double damage attack, which is what I use a lot more than normal slashes in Zelda.

In the end I like the Wii controls, they work well and I think it surpasses the old control scheme even if its only by a small margin. So heres the question, lets just say both control schemes work as well as each other. Now the only decison to make is what will be more fun? From what I played, I can say that using the Wii set up was refreshing, exciting and most importantly FUN! And that makes me consider it the overall winner.

Ian you may want to save your money till something like Mario Galaxy etc comes out, but I think its worth it to experience Zelda on the Wii. The controls dont feel tacked on, and Nintendo has done a fine job with translating it over to Wii. Mario 64 DS this is not.

[Mario]

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Mario 64 DS this is not.

That is pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear.

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Cubed... Canuck?

BTW Mario, what did your statement about unlearning to ride a bike mean? It's totally lost on me.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Well about the Zelda Wii controls, how could people start not liking them all of a sudden?

[TrueNerd]

It's quite sad really that a Zelda release isn't unifying Nintendo fans from all walks of life. It's actually having the opposite effect. Why is this? Are Ian and mantidor wrong because they either don't want to buy a whole new system when they don't have to or because they're not convinced the Wii version is going to be the definitive version of the game? I don't think so and it's not like they're writing it off completely like a ton of MySpace drama queen internet morons are. Am I wrong because I think the game will be awesome on either system and I'm getting it on Wii largely because I don't want to wait an extra month and I'd be getting the system anyways? Perhaps, but again, I don't think so.

This is Zelda, people. Zelda! This should be a happy time, not one of bickering and arguing. I am sure some people will prefer the Wii version and others will prefer the GameCube version. Every way you slice it, we all get the chance to play a tremendous game.

I declare this argument officially BORING.  

[Kairon]

The Wii may be the beginning of a new Nintendo empire, but already the seeds of the schism that will bring it down are being sown...

MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Fools! While all of Hyrule is divided, the Triforce of Wisdom shall be MINE!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
It's quite sad really that a Zelda release isn't unifying Nintendo fans from all walks of life. It's actually having the opposite effect. Why is this? Are Ian and mantidor wrong because they either don't want to buy a whole new system when they don't have to or because they're not convinced the Wii version is going to be the definitive version of the game? I don't think so and it's not like they're writing it off completely like a ton of MySpace drama queen internet morons are. Am I wrong because I think the game will be awesome on either system and I'm getting it on Wii largely because I don't want to wait an extra month and I'd be getting the system anyways? Perhaps, but again, I don't think so.

This is Zelda, people. Zelda! This should be a happy time, not one of bickering and arguing. I am sure some people will prefer the Wii version and others will prefer the GameCube version. Every way you slice it, we all get the chance to play a tremendous game.

I declare this argument officially BORING.

Mantidor has pretty much written it off, so I do not consider his opinion as "concerned". Sure I can understand concern, but he falls into the realm of "I'm going to hate it no matter what" regardless of what people say who have actually played it, that is not solely being "unconvinced" but completely closing your mind to it. Do I have concerns about it? Definately but I've kept an open mind to it from day one, and so far I have seen nothing from the more recent previews to indicate much if anything is wrong, in fact the opposite seems to be cropping up.  The main concern I have is still in regards to my arm getting tired while playng (but once again that seems to not be the case), but I am excited for it because aiming could be much better, and above all else fishing looks like a blast with the Wiimote.

[SixthAngel]

Why is everybody ripping into Ian.  He wants to use the control scheme he is used to and knows for a fact has worked so will get the GC version.  He also doesn't want to spend extra money for something when he doesn't have to.  There is nothing wrong with this and frankly these are good reasons.  He is not very excited about the wiimote so it is great for him that the gc version is still coming out.  Nintendo fanboys are turning on each other for wanting a different Nintendo product, strange.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Why is everybody ripping into Ian.  He wants to use the control scheme he is used to and knows for a fact has worked so will get the GC version.  He also doesn't want to spend extra money for something when he doesn't have to.  There is nothing wrong with this and frankly these are good reasons.  He is not very excited about the wiimote so it is great for him that the gc version is still coming out.  Nintendo fanboys are turning on each other for wanting a different Nintendo product, strange.

Yeah I really respect someone's opinion of something they have never laid their hands on the Wiimote and automatically hate it, even when indicators are that it has potential (and games like Zelda: TP have gotten mostly GOOD impressions). Not to mention Ian seems to complain about everything, and seldom has positive things to say. Heck I have HUGE concerns for a game like Gears of War but, guess what? I'm willing to see how it turns out and may very well buy it. The same applies to the PS3 when it actually gets some games I'm interested in and the price is more reasonable.

[Plugabugz]

I'm surprised nobody complains about my (totally valid and reasonable) argument: we have to wait.

The whole "america has growth" idea fails to wash with me when Europe has been neglected for donkeys. The potential here is huge, especially when you are faced with a £450 PS3 and a £300 360 Premium. 6 month delays on games is totally unacceptable when america and japan can launch within one week of each other.

I will be fair though, there has been a blitz on marketing for DS Lite here which has been simple and effective. I personally reckon they should shift some of their focus of growth from where they will historically make more money.

[trip1eX]

Some folks can't afford the Wii yet and so for them the GC version is perfect.

[Ceric]

Methinks Nintendo is going to give us the console first with good shipments.  Then there going to idle off to Europe and start ramping up there while letting us simmer.  Once they have Europe to a boil then they'll try to get Europe and the US at the same level.  Japan will always have preferential treatment because it is their home country.  Which is understandable.

[Louieturkey]

And yet, I believe Japan is getting the smallest shipment of Wii's at launch compared to the other two regions.  They may get preferential treatment with the variety of games, but not number of consoles.

[mantidor]

well, there is also the little fact that Japan has less people than US or Europe.

Regarding the controls, I was actually considering trying it with the first proposed method, now that they gave in and give the 1:1 controls for the sword I lost that little interest I had. Is simple, first, I dont consider Zelda a sword fighting game to begin with, watching  the videos of the experiences makes me bored after the initial 10 seconds, Zelda is puzzles and adventure, have they shown a wii exclusive puzzle? a wii exclusive item that would make no sense if its controlled with the GC controller? no, and its expected they can't do that. Also, I dont think swordfighting itself is that great, something Ive said before, it looks cool when choreographed for sure, but only that, I wouldn't have fun actually waving the remote, I guess I'm the rare brand of geek who just doesn't have that inner "starwars kid" .

To finish, regarding Ian, I have rarely agreed with him, but his eternally pessimism attitude is just the same as the eternally optimistic attitude of more than one person here, damn theres this guy that was even a bit upset because people were dissapointed about the VC games available in Japan but not here, and that people should not be "negative", but you never see anyone complaining about that, right? thats what pisses me off.

[Chris1]

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Originally posted by: mantidorRegarding the controls, I was actually considering trying it with the first proposed method, now that they gave in and give the 1:1 controls for the sword I lost that little interest I had. Is simple, first, I dont consider Zelda a sword fighting game to begin with, watching  the videos of the experiences makes me bored after the initial 10 seconds, Zelda is puzzles and adventure, have they shown a wii exclusive puzzle? a wii exclusive item that would make no sense if its controlled with the GC controller? no, and its expected they can't do that.

Why is it expected?  How do you know there aren't any Wii exclusive puzzles or weapons?  There are still tons of things we don't know about this game, and I don't believe the sword fighting is mapped 1:1.  I don't think having the Wiimote used for the sword would making it a swordfighting game, the wiimote is also used for the bow but I wouldn't call it an archery game.

[Caliban]

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In fact I have gone to the point that I am so trustful of the Wii version that I am not reading any spoiler, I am not looking at any photo spoiler, I am not watching any video spoiler, and I am not listening to any soundtrack spoiler for Twilight Princess.

Ok I cave in, lol, I can't resist it so I'm going to watch the opening video for TP and possibly other videos.

I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!

[mantidor]

Because Nintendo promised the games will be identical, although thats not guarantee of anything of course, but for some bizzare reason Im still going to take their word on that.

Late edit: To clarify, Im not reponding to Caliban but the post above.

[Renny]

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I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!

Kind enough to force us to buy the Wii at launch if we want to play the game when it was promised? I don't expect any gratitude or respect from any corporation, but it isn't unreasonable to ask for a little bit of respect to the people who have kept the GameCube aloft this generation. Delaying a month to encourage sales for a system I don't have or plan to get this holiday is dirty and cheap, and no better than what Microsoft or Sony would do. If the heads of Nintendo want to act like they care so much about video games, show a little appreciation to the fans. (And yes, that includes people who aren't even pre-ordering the Wii, or getting in line at midnight for one, or even paying $500 for one on eBay. I know that blows some peoples' minds around here, but it's true.)

[troll fed; 15:30 on 2006-11-02]

[Artimus]

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I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!

Kind enough to force us to buy the Wii at launch if we want to play the game when it was promised? I don't expect any gratitude or respect from any corporation, but it isn't unreasonable to ask for a little bit of respect to the people who have kept the GameCube aloft this generation. Delaying a month to encourage sales for a system I don't have or plan to get this holiday is dirty and cheap, and no better than what Microsoft or Sony would do. If the heads of Nintendo want to act like they care so much about video games, show a little appreciation to the fans. (And yes, that includes people who aren't even pre-ordering the Wii, or getting in line at midnight for one, or even paying $500 for one on eBay. I know that blows some peoples' minds around here, but it's true.)

[troll fed; 15:30 on 2006-11-02]

It's not dirty and cheap. You're getting the game exactly when they said: before the holidays. What you're doing is blaming them for doing what is best for them, and ultimately hurts you not at all.

I think putting your lack of patience before everything in the world is dirty and cheap, not the reverse.

[Caliban]

Renny > Well what can I say, you can't please the whole world at once.

[Renny]

No, but you can make an effort. It's obvious that isn't part of the game plan with Nintendo. Their attitude lately almost amounts to disdain for anything associated with the GameCube, even consumers. I can't conceive how apologists can excuse that. See these actions for what they are, pure greed. Maybe you can explain to me why you care at all anyway, if you're getting the game in November. Why can't I or anyone else not getting a Wii also have the game then?

I hate to pull the 'fanboy' card, but it really is rampant  on this board lately, a trait I never associated with this Nintendo community. I hope it all blows over after the launch.

[mantidor]

At least the GC version still exists, not that I like this whole deal at all, but Nintendo can be even more of an ass to its GC fans and cancel it. That is the only redeeming factor in this bad situation.

[Caliban]

I think that their decision to have seperate TP release dates is justifiable.

I would like you to put yourself in their shoes.

1 - You have one new game that can propel the new-system sales, and you also have that "same" game for the old-system that is no longer marketable.
What will you do? What is the most rational buisness decision?
I would go with the game that can propel a new-system into the more profitable buisness outcome.

2 - But you still want to sell the old-system version. How would you go about that without getting these new new-system buyers confused? Could I sell it before/same time/after the new-system version?
If it was released at the same time or before then it would cause a conflict with the marketing of the new-system version. If it's released after then the sales of the new-system version won't be affected by the lower sales of the old-system version.

I tried to be as succinct as possible.  

[Hostile Creation]

Even I would have liked Gamecube controls to be on the Wii version.  But c'mon.  It's not that big a deal.  I'm going to buy the Wii version, enjoy it just as much (if not more) than I would the Gamecube version, and that'll be that.  Stop worrying so much about the politics of it all.  If you really want the GC version for whatever reason, then wait.  That's the penalty you pay for not buying the Wii.  Is that a penalty you should have to pay?  I don't know.  But you're at the mercy of Nintendo's corporate policy, so it's a penalty you'll have to pay.

[Renny]

3 - Release a dual-system version, playable on either the GameCube or Wii, thereby satisfying all customers and preventing any confusion. Of course, that would look pretty dumb when the new system is by itself making more profit at launch than any other before it. Why throw more profits out the window by passing up the perfect double-dip? This could be the poorest quarter for gamers ever!

Yes, I suppose they could really screw Nintendo fans and not release the GameCube version at all. But that would likely cause an outcry that Nintendo couldn't afford to handle right now. So, they'll discourage sales of the GameCube version as best they can, short of wholly throwing it out. Anyway, this ground has been covered before. I don't think any of us see it any differently than we did when the release dates were announced.

Just to be clear, I'm not debating the merits of the Wii control scheme. I'm simply disappointed that Nintendo has led us along all this time, insisting again and again that this would always be a GameCube game, it was only ever intended to be a GameCube game--then pulling this stunt. If I were getting a Wii, and I still might if funds and system availability allow it, I'll get the Wii version for sure. But there are plenty of us who just won't have one for awhile. We get pissed on for the benefit of stupid people who've bought the Wii and/or for shareholders. Forgive me if I'm not onboard that line of reasoning.

[trip1eX]

Nintendo releases Zelda:TP only on Gamecube:  See Nintendo doesn't have any business sense.  Sony or MS would have made it a Wii release this late in the game.  Dumb Nintendo.  They are doomed.

Nintendo makes a Wii and a Gamecube version of ZElda:TP and releases Wii version 3 weeks earlier:  Nintendo is a bunch of liars.  First they say one thing then do another.  Same 'ole thing with Nintendo.  This is a bunch of crap.  

Sometimes you just can't win.