Author Topic: Grand Master Billy speaks on the Wii. (Read 46120 times)

Deguello · « **Reply #175 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:27:42 AM »

Ian has fallen into the belly of the beast. He has looked into the abyss and the abyss has looked into him.

He has become that which he claims others do. He has become the Nintendo he believes existed in 2003.

He releases needless sequels to his own argument.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #176 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:35:22 AM »

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I read some reviews on this game and they were absolute crap. Me and my fiancee enjoyed this game very much. It was full of personality and a blast to play. To reiterate a point already made, trusting the reviewers of today is crazy. Videogame journalism is a joke and I can't stand the intense bias found in all the major game related sites out there.

Cut my heart out with a dull object.

Well of course I don't mean PGC

Honest to God you guys are the only site on the internet I trust on reviews. I have based many a game purchase on your reviews, something I wouldn't even think of doing for any other game publication, especially Gamespot and IGN. You guys are also particularly great on import reviews, I always check your import reviews before dropping on a ton of cash on an import game. PGC RAWKS!

couchmonkey · « **Reply #177 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:35:25 AM »

On games people have brought up for Ian: Maybe he should go out and rent some games. I know like myself he's annoyed at the high price of game rentals, but if you're not buying anything for your Cube anyway, why not give it a $6 warmup with RE4, DK Jungle Beat or any other number of potentially awesome games that people mentioned here?

On reviews: Gamerankings has these cool pie charts that show what percentage of reviewers gave the game a score in the 50s, 70s, 80s, etc. If you check out the Battalion Wars pie chart, it shows that more than half of reviewers scored the game 80% or higher. A little more than quarter scored it between 70-80%. It's the few that scored it at 50-70% that brings the average score down to 76%. In other words, you can't just look at the mean average, because as shown in this case, most of the people who played Battalion Wars would definitely recommend the game. (I'd consider 80% or better "recommended").

I also think video game reviews have become wishy-washy. Thanks to the interweb, we now have 100-point scales for game reviews and while I originally thought that was cool, I now realize that it gives people an excuse to ignore good games (it's not a 90), and it gives reviewers an excuse to never give out perfect scores. IGN once answered a letter asking why Metroid Prime's score was lower than Halo's even though Matt thought MP was the better game, and he was forced to admit that the difference between a 9.4 and a 9.6 (or whatever the scores were) is really nonexistant. Let's be honest here: the difference between a 9.7 and a 10 isn't really worth mentioning either.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #178 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:13:32 AM »

"On games people have brought up for Ian: Maybe he should go out and rent some games. I know like myself he's annoyed at the high price of game rentals, but if you're not buying anything for your Cube anyway, why not give it a $6 warmup with RE4, DK Jungle Beat or any other number of potentially awesome games that people mentioned here?"

It's not just the high price it's the fact that Cube rental selections are usually really bad. Some places in my area haven't even gotten a new Cube game in since 2003.

Regarding RE4 I'm specifically trying to avoid the Player's Choice version because I hate the yellow stripe.

I'm on the lookout for used copies.

Kairon · « **Reply #179 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:17:53 AM »

I own RE4... but I haven't played it...and my younger bro only got to the village before we dropped it...

/hides

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

couchmonkey · « **Reply #180 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:53:32 AM »

Ah, no selection, that bites!

Magik · « **Reply #181 on:** September 20, 2006, 12:52:47 PM »

Prime 2 bombed simply because Nintendo foolishly released it inbetween Halo 2 and Half-Life 2. Two juggernaught IPs.

No offense to anybody, but Metroid as an IP is nothing compared to either Halo 2 and Half-Life 2 in terms of popularity.

You don't need to be a genius to realize how retarded it was for Nintendo to release the game between those two games.

Hopefully Nintendo doesn't repeat the same dumb crap with the Wii.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #182 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:25:50 PM »

"Prime 2 bombed simply because Nintendo foolishly released it inbetween Halo 2 and Half-Life 2. Two juggernaught IPs."

That probably didn't help but I think a big factor was the fact that by Christmas 2004 the general public didn't give a sh!t about the Cube. 2004 was pretty much the last year where the Cube had "major" titles coming out on a somewhat regular basis.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #183 on:** September 20, 2006, 04:01:12 PM »

It's a miracle that they pretended MP3 would be out so early; it shows they have faith in the franchise. Then again, I never met a metroid I didn't like.

Mario · « **Reply #184 on:** September 20, 2006, 04:34:28 PM »

Maybe people didn't buy Metroid Prime 2 because it just isn't very good. A LOT of people hated Metroid Prime.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #185 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:24:03 PM »

I conclude "A LOT of people" suck.

BiLdItUp1 · « **Reply #186 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:45:22 PM »

I have to echo Kairon on RE4, Ian. Every GC owner should have that game. I hate that stripe though too, so I sympathise. I actually bought it used right before the price drop for $25. But tis all good.
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Does anyone remember what this thread was about? I don't know. This is my take on whatever it was:

The PS2 was the most successful system in the last generation, by and large. I could confidently say that it has been and probably will be for a while the most bought game hardware ever with the largest variety. It is this variety that Nintendo lacked last gen, not just in terms of genre but in terms of games for a genre. How many exclusive platformers did the GC have vs. Sony, just to name an area? FPSs? Roaming games a la GTA? Nintendo last gen abandoned any hopes of even trying to cover these bases by not doing enough to get developers on board. Now, that seems to have changed - but has it? Nintendo fans have been burned so many times in the past that they have a right to be jaded about this stuff. When Nintendo says, 'Oh, this wasn't our fault, we need a new controller', (did they say this?)and doesn't put any focus on making a new franchise or getting third parties to do so, not just in the non-gamer space, but in a traditional genre like racing or FPSs or whatever. At best, they reinvented an old game in Metroid and introduced a new one in Pikmin. I'm not talking about games that cater to fringes. Platforming games, to use the example again, attract a broad segment of gamers; Nintendo only made Sunshine. That isn't variety, and that is part of the problem.

All this seems to be changing with the Wii, but it's too early to tell, and it's too soon to proclaim them saints. If they can deliver on variety, and not just quality, not just in the non-game space, but in the traditional space, then they'll have a very good shot at the number 1 or at least number 2 spot. Disaster and HAMMER are steps in the right direction; so is Red Steel. But right now, I still feel like the Wii is the 'other' console in terms of having a variety of exclusive, traditional games.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #187 on:** September 20, 2006, 06:16:59 PM »

Yeah the Wii will be the other console in that it won't be flooded with the same generic and rehashed crap we've been getting for years.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #188 on:** September 20, 2006, 06:17:07 PM »

OH GREAT ZEPHOS

FIRST IAN, NOW KAIRON?

NEVER PLAYED RE4 YET SPEWS OUT WIND-WACKER-SIZED OCEANS OF TEXT AND OP-ONIONS?

YOUR CREDIBILITIES AS PGC POSTERS HAVE BEEN REVOKED

TOTAL FORUM INVALIDATION ATTACKU!!

I CAN SEE WHO THE NON-GAMERS REALLY ARE.
I GUESS IT ONLY FITS THAT THEY FIND THEIR WAY TO PGC, WEARING DISGUISING SKINS OF HARDCORE NINTENDO FANS.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #189 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:22:41 PM »

It makes no sense to me, every gamer IMO should have least played it on GCN, not the low end PS2 version. In my eyes there is no other version. Seriously the same thing goes for Wind Waker, it doesn't make you less of a man if you play it jeez. Great games should be played no matter what.....I didn't think God of War was revolutionary but i went out of my way to try it, oh and Katamari was another one that someone shoved down my throat and i loved it.

Kairon · « **Reply #190 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:48:03 PM »

I personally believe that the best way to be a Nintendo fan is to know exactly what the competition's strengths are.

This requires copious amounts of research and plenty of caffeine.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

wandering · « **Reply #191 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:52:56 PM »

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I own RE4... but I haven't played it...and my younger bro only got to the village before we dropped it...

/hides

If you want to be a game designer, playing through Resident Evil 4 is a necessity.

Kairon · « **Reply #192 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:56:30 PM »

/cries

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

wandering · « **Reply #193 on:** September 20, 2006, 08:55:04 PM »

Suck it up and get to it! No crying allowed! Or don't you have what it takes to be a game designer, maggot? You think this is recess? Drop and give me 20! I want Resident Evil 4 beaten by Monday, do you understand me soldier? I want a memory card, WITH UNLCOKED COSTUMES, in my hands by 0600, and if it isn't, by god, you'll be running home and crying to your momma, and you'll both be working on transferring your sorry ass to business school, because you sure as HELL won't be showing your face in front of me again. Did you hear me, soldier?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #194 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:57:38 PM »

I played RE4 up to that 2nd boss (the big gargoyle thing) and haven't touched it since, so you are not alone Kairon!

Smoke39 · « **Reply #195 on:** September 20, 2006, 10:26:32 PM »

I played it up to Rasputen or whatever his name is, then quit.
What're we actually supposed to be talking about here again?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #196 on:** September 20, 2006, 10:53:19 PM »

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I played it up to Rasputen or whatever his name is, then quit.
What're we actually supposed to be talking about here again?

Lol I THINK it is about that Grand Master guy, but since his arguments were pretty well ripped our minds have wandered hehe

Deguello · « **Reply #197 on:** September 21, 2006, 12:25:17 AM »

Something about how hardcore the Wii is or is not depending on who you ask, which totally destroys any discussion about it because it's stupid to debate that opinion. And how the Wii will be a failure because a bunch of rich HDTV owners who also happen to be magazine editors and website managers won't like it because it won't use HD technology that only they have and humble staff writers like myself and the rest of the world don't.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #198 on:** September 21, 2006, 06:35:12 AM »

I rented RE4 and it was good but I'm just not a horror fan. Still, at least I've played it!

The topic at hand was whether or not Wii will continue Nintendo's tradition of failures, and I think the answer is no. There are chinks in the armour, but the biggest weakness - lower-end graphics - is necessary to make the system cheap enough to appeal to the non-gamer audience.

trip1eX · « **Reply #199 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:46:31 AM »

SEe I don't think Nintendo has failed except not to be #1 with their console. I think they still remain the largest publisher of games in the world save perhaps EA. I don't think that's exactly failing. PLus they seem to make a profit year and year out have done so for 20 some years. If that's failing then sign me up.

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Author Topic: Grand Master Billy speaks on the Wii. (Read 46120 times)