Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 900519 times)

jasonditz · « **Reply #550 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:48:57 AM »

It's way too early for these analysts to be making any informed estimates. There's a lot that we just don't know.

1. How fast will Sony be able to get prices down to a reasonable level?
2. How long will it take for a game to get released that anyone actually wants
3. How many catastrophic hardware problems will they have?

It seems silly to assume MGS4 will be a console seller at this point.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #551 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:24:03 AM »

To add to jasonditz's list, the analyst seems to be going on the assumption that PS3 will cruise along for a few years and suddenly explode due to awesome graphics. Now, I love PS3, but there's no doubt that if it fails to capture a decent audience in the two years, it will likely fail.

Galford · « **Reply #552 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:30:11 PM »

True most anime games are crap but the UMD could have done some good things in the hands of compendent designers/producers.

Both Blu Ray and HD DVD have there own interactive standard for extras. We could see some of what I talked about sooner or later.

Ceric · « **Reply #553 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:31:09 PM »

Graphics is not something that ages well in its usefulness. If in a few years they expect graphics to be the draw, by that time PC's will probably catch up, then they are mistaken. Your game library is what gets people a little later in the game. What you have and what is coming... I'm waiting for it to load so I can actually read the thing.

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"But its overwhelmingly realistic graphics will give it a long life span. It will stay competitive even when a game console battle breaks out among a newer generation of machines in 2010. Sales should grow every time Sony cuts prices," he said.

So your saying that the PS3 will age well graphically, thats great. Of course sales will grow when you cut the price but, as mentioned above how many times will the price be cut for that to be a factor? The PS2 took a while to drop and rarely did.

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Enterbrain expects Sony to sell 4.13 million units of the PS3 worldwide in the current business year ending March 2007. Sony itself aims to ship 6 million units over the same period.

The publisher also expects Nintendo to sell 5.47 million units of the Wii by March, compared with Nintendo's own target to sell 6 million units.

Ok...

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But in the longer term, Enterbrain expects the PS3 to outsell both the Wii and Xbox 360, helped by its lifelike graphics and a rich pool of potentially popular game software that will be released in 2007 or later.

Just because I have the potential to win a million dollars doesn't mean I'm going to buy a 747.

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Those software titles, many of which are sequels to existing games played on the blockbuster
PlayStation 2, include "Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots" from Konami Corp..

Oh buy more Sequels in a Sequel saturated area.

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By the end of 2009, Enterbrain expects Sony's PS3 sales to total 34 million units, surpassing an estimated 25 million Wii sales and 28 million Xbox 360 sales.

Now I don't believe this number will be anywhere near correct but I can see where they got it. Look at it closely. Its pretty much the same numbers that we have now between the PS2 Wii and XBox. Just doubled I believe.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #554 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:54:20 PM »

I would predict this generation of gaming should be closer than ever. I think there will be two systems virtually tied in popularity and the third not being that far off. I still think the Wii might be third...but it will be a very very strong third.

I hope I am wrong on the last part, but I do know that there will NOT be a breakout winner like the current/last generation.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #555 on:** October 13, 2006, 01:56:42 PM »

Except for Japan where the Wii will completly dominate.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #556 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:50:29 PM »

Spak I have to disagree a bit, I think the Wii has the most potential to be a breakout winner if it stays competitively priced and the Wiimote flips gaming on its head. In regards to PS3's visuals, isn't it true that PC gaming ALREADY has the PS3 beat visually? I know Xbox 360 and PS3 are not that much different when it comes to visuals, they both haven't their strengths and weaknesses.

Ceric · « **Reply #557 on:** October 13, 2006, 03:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Spak I have to disagree a bit, I think the Wii has the most potential to be a breakout winner if it stays competitively priced and the Wiimote flips gaming on its head. In regards to PS3's visuals, isn't it true that PC gaming ALREADY has the PS3 beat visually? I know Xbox 360 and PS3 are not that much different when it comes to visuals, they both haven't their strengths and weaknesses.

I don't think that PC's are there yet. Not in the general sense at least. It will take 2 years or so I believe for the PC to be there on average with the regular gamer crowd. (Though probably with SLI and all that but thats not widespread like a single card setup.)

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #558 on:** October 13, 2006, 05:58:00 PM »

Well I know my PC can outperform my Xbox 360 visually. I have a 7900GTX, 2gbs of memory and a 4200+ dual core. I don't even believe the PS3 has a graphic card up to 7900GTX level, but is based on a lower 7000 series card (perhaps the 7800?). Not to mention that within a few months the new 8000 series will be out taking full advantge of Vista which should wipe the floor with both PS3 and Xbox 360 graphically.

Ceric · « **Reply #559 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:49:31 PM »

Well, fully Vista compatible cards with Vista probably will wipe the floor with everything but MS made it a point to make it easy to cross develop for the 360 and Vista. In fact I wouldn't be too surprised if we start seeing 360 games that you can run on both, if you have a high enough ranking on your computer and the wireless accessory adapter they have coming out. As mentioned before games are where most the money is made not consoles. So Vista machines being able to run 360 games would give MS a huge ease of transition for an install base. The whole premise be neat and I wouldn't have any reason not to pick up games like Dead Rising, Blue Dragon, or Gear of War. (For Pro666: Incorporeal Lifted, Fierce Lizard, and Cog of Hell)

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #560 on:** October 13, 2006, 08:29:25 PM »

Crysis easily beats any game we've seen on PS3 or Xbox 360 visually (now whether the game is fun or not is another story). For myself I originally sold my Xbox 360 (I've recently repurchased one though) to get a Geforce 7900GTX card since the visuals and performance were better for multiplatform games that were on PC.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #561 on:** October 14, 2006, 05:31:59 AM »

Unfortunatley Crysis and Bioshock, and all those other tasty next-gen-ish games will all be running in DirectX 10, which , when it is released with Vista, will mean that all current cards will be instantly obsolete

Sure, we can run in DX9 mode, but it won't look nearly as good as the screens.

But that's okay, since none of them will be fun anyway =D

KDR_11k · « **Reply #562 on:** October 14, 2006, 11:10:41 PM »

I don't think they'll actually look worse on DX9 unless DX9 sucks in a way that doesn't let the developer access all the features of the graphics card.

Ceric · « **Reply #563 on:** October 15, 2006, 06:09:48 AM »

No. DX9 lets developers access different features of a card. Though Someone whose used it extensively could give you a better answer. Now on DX9 compatible cards just means you guaranteed to have this type of performance at least and this set of features. Thats all it means. Same with DX10 as a standard. I'm sure it's overall better the DX9 because Microsoft has been spending quit a bit of time on it hoping that they can deliver a good amount of features and not require another major release in the near future.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #564 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:38:50 AM »

So you mean you can't access the entirety of the card with DX9?

OpenGL supports extensions, if the card has a feature that's not in the standard it can still make it available to the developer, I don't think DX is any less capable.

Ceric · « **Reply #565 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:24:21 AM »

I'm fairly sure you can. As I mentioned that DX9 as a programming API I differ to someone with more experience. I'm sure you can extend it just like OpenGL. I just know as a compatibility standard that it just guarantees certain features same with DX10.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #566 on:** October 15, 2006, 11:48:18 AM »

I know nothing about DX9 but I do know that developers for PC probaly never truly get all the power out of the graphic's cards due to their being so many, along with new ones coming out every few months. That is one advantage I give to systems like Xbox 360 and PS3, there is a much higher chance of a developer tapping into their full potential than there is with a PC.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #567 on:** October 16, 2006, 05:34:00 PM »

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110

Plz discuss. You people understand it better than i do.

Plus an earlier INQ article said Vista gaming would be 10-15 fps slower than XP gaming for contemporary gfx hardware.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #568 on:** October 16, 2006, 05:47:29 PM »

Hmmm...this DX9.L thing confundles me! I'd like more info on it as well, as I really don't know too much on the issue.

Ceric · « **Reply #569 on:** October 16, 2006, 09:00:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110

Plz discuss. You people understand it better than i do.

Plus an earlier INQ article said Vista gaming would be 10-15 fps slower than XP gaming for contemporary gfx hardware.

I read the article tomorrow. But I don't the 10-15 thing is because of how it does graphics is slower. Just that the operating system itself is now using the videocard and as most new operating systems to have more features it has more overhead.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #570 on:** October 16, 2006, 11:37:47 PM »

EFFING OVERHEAD

KDR_11k · « **Reply #571 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:10:35 AM »

Windows always gets slower with each version, of course Vista will reduce your framerate.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #572 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:19:22 AM »

DOS 6.2 4-EVAR

JonLeung · « **Reply #573 on:** October 17, 2006, 04:52:49 AM »

Man, I remember when upgrading from DOS 5.0 to 6.2 was such a big deal...

I also remember a time when I was so hyped to get a double-speed CD-ROM. It wasn't even a CD-writer. Return To Zork was one of the games that came with it, and soon I got Star Wars: Rebel Assault! 7th Guest was kinda cool too, but I think some of the cut-scenes would've traumatized me if I was any younger.

But, no, Nintendo didn't like CDs. I remember a time when Sony wasn't in the industry. Good times.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #574 on:** October 17, 2006, 04:59:29 AM »

Apple 4-EVAR

Why are we talking PCs in a Thread about Sony being hit in the media anyway?

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