Topic: Too Human Trilogy: Exclusive for 360

[GoldenPhoenix]

Shudder?

Kojima might not have accomplished as much as Miyamoto has but then again, no game designer has come close. Not Will Wright. Not Sid Meier. Not John Carmack. Not Peter Molyneux. Not Shinji Mikami. Not Keji Inafune and so on and so forth. Is it really anyone's fault that they're not Miyamoto?

Just seems like an odd combination (and you took me too seriously) Kojima is NOT that great of a gameplay designer though is arguable good at cinematics. I dunno they seem to be an odd pair to compare to each other!

[Urkel]

Game length doesn't make a game epic. For example, I found Ocarina of Time far more engaging than Twlight Princess despite taking less than half the time to complete. Truth is, if a game is too long or tries to hard too create a sense of epic-ness (not sure that's a word, but it works nonetheless), it becomes the opposite of what it's trying to accomplish.

I agree that game length isn't the end-all be-all, but after all the hype and a decade of development... c'mon, 10 hours? The whole reason this game even got on everyone's radar back in the day was because it was promised to be an absolutely massive 80 hour game.

I just don't get what Dyack meant all this time about wanting to make "more epic" games when splitting Too Human up into 3 bite sized pieces is going the opposite direction.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I learned a LONG time ago to not take a developer seriously when they promise "80 hr" games. They may genuinely attempt that but it never turns out for various reasons (one being that the game could EASILY become dull). As a HUGE fan of Eternal Darkness I am going to give SK the benefit of the doubt even if it is only a 10hr game. If it is 10hrs of great game, I will be more than happy.

[Nick DiMola]

I learned a LONG time ago to not take a developer seriously when they promise "80 hr" games. They may genuinely attempt that but it never turns out for various reasons (one being that the game could EASILY become dull). As a HUGE fan of Eternal Darkness I am going to give SK the benefit of the doubt even if it is only a 10hr game. If it is 10hrs of great game, I will be more than happy.

Agreed.

Also, for better or worse I will buy Too Human day 1, giving SK the benefit of the doubt as well.

[Adrock]

Just seems like an odd combination (and you took me too seriously) Kojima is NOT that great of a gameplay designer though is arguable good at cinematics. I dunno they seem to be an odd pair to compare to each other!

Well, he continually redefines a genre he created himself. He deserves some props. In any case, I wasn't comparing them. Dennis Dyack has been quoted several times as having learned so much from Miyamoto and Kojima after working with them on Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes respectively.

I agree that game length isn't the end-all be-all, but after all the hype and a decade of development... c'mon, 10 hours? The whole reason this game even got on everyone's radar back in the day was because it was promised to be an absolutely massive 80 hour game.

That (8 year old) article also states that you play as John Franks, a cop whose partner was killed by a cyborg. OMG, "This massive game will fit on four discs." FOUR DISCS! And, it looks just as good as Final Fantasy VIII.

Kidding aside, I recall Dyack promising that Eternal Darkness was a 50 hour game (I clocked in the good ending at less than 15 hours). I agree with Golden Phoenix. I'll take a 10 hour game if that 10 hours is worth every second.

[vudu]

I'll take a 10 hour game if that 10 hours is worth every second.

But from what we've heard so far it isn't

Too Human: "This Has To Be The Worst Game I've Played In The Last 5 Years"

[DAaaMan64]

LOL Some douche a mod says a game sucks. We don't know him.

[Kairon]

Kidding aside, I recall Dyack promising that Eternal Darkness was a 50 hour game (I clocked in the good ending at less than 15 hours). I agree with Golden Phoenix. I'll take a 10 hour game if that 10 hours is worth every second.

In Dyack's defense, I clocked in about 45 hours for ED since I got all the endings and the extra fourth ending as well.

[Adrock]

What the crap were you doing for 45 hours?

[DAaaMan64]

15*3=45

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I got the final ending in 20+6+6 = 32 hours.

[Shift Key]

Too Human: "This Has To Be The Worst Game I've Played In The Last 5 Years"

In related news: Superman 64 Complains about lack of attention, requests showdown with Too Human.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

But Superman64 was beyond 5 years ago.  You'll have to opt for Beyond Good & Evil instead.

[ShyGuy]

Listening to 1upyours with special guest Denis Dyack. The man is so full of himself and esoteric I wonder if he can ties his shoes by himself.

[Shift Key]

But Superman64 was beyond 5 years ago.  You'll have to opt for Beyond Good & Evil instead.

Superman64 will get up off his couch and spin the world the opposite way so he can win the worst game ever award.

[Toruresu]

Too Human Trilogy: Exclusive for 360

I read somewhere that SK was leaving MS or that MS was letting them go...any info on this? Perhaps we will see Too Human on something else than a 360.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

No, they'll get Bungie to make the next chapters.

[Flames_of_chaos]

No, they'll get Bungie to make the next chapters.

Depends if Microsoft takes the right to TH from Silicon Knights.

[Adrock]

Too Human Trilogy: Exclusive for 360

I read somewhere that SK was leaving MS or that MS was letting them go...any info on this? Perhaps we will see Too Human on something else than a 360.

My understanding is that Silicon Knights disagreed with Nintendo's direction with the Wii so they ended their exclusive relationship though, technically, SK is still a Nintendo 2nd party because Nintendo never sold off their stock in SK. Whatever, it happens all the time... Anyway, SK, knowing that they definitely did not have the finances to fund Too Human alone and sans-Nintendo (like Nintendo would fund a game for another console), signed an exclusivity deal with Microsoft to publish Too Human on 360. I'm not sure Microsoft owns the rights to Too Human, but I wouldn't be surprised either way. On one hand, being exclusive to 360 just seems like an obvious stipulation for MS funding development however, MS regularly throws money around for limited exclusivity. On the other hand, SK seems to care more about getting their products published than who owns the rights judging by the fact that Eidos essentially stole Legacy of Kain and a completely unrelated franchise that starred a pre-LoK Raziel from under them and that Nintendo owns the rights to Eternal Darkness.

So to recap: there is no "leaving Microsoft or Microsoft letting them go" because Silicon Knights operates independently. SK has already announced a deal with Sega to publish a game and Dennis Dyack has been keen to revisit Eternal Darkness, something he can't do without Nintendo (unless, of course, something about those rights have changed). Silicon Knights probably owns the rights to Too Human, but if it ever makes it to another console, it won't be this generation.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Well technically SK needs to do it on a Nintendo platform since Nintendo does own the Eternal Darkness IP and the Sanity Effects patten in videogames.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

SK will crawl back to Nintendo just like Factor 5 did.

Next-generation hasn't been gentle to them.

[Ceric]

10 hours of play would make this a rental for me.  Which is a shame.  With how elaborate everthing seems 10 hours sound to me I be just getting up there and bam! games over.

[GoldenPhoenix]

10 hours of play would make this a rental for me.  Which is a shame.  With how elaborate everthing seems 10 hours sound to me I be just getting up there and bam! games over.

Would you rent MGS4 as well? It only has 10 hrs (if that) of gameplay?

[Flames_of_chaos]

10 hours of play would make this a rental for me.  Which is a shame.  With how elaborate everthing seems 10 hours sound to me I be just getting up there and bam! games over.

Would you rent MGS4 as well? It only has 10 hrs (if that) of gameplay?

Now that's a zinger. Theres also Metal Gear online in the package. I think that a lot of drastic changes for Too Human really hurt the game's image first it was supposed to be an epic game with a awesome co-op multiplayer thats turned to a 10 hour game with a  2 person online only co-op. 

[- NintendoFan -]

Listening to 1upyours with special guest Denis Dyack. The man is so full of himself and esoteric I wonder if he can ties his shoes by himself.

No doubt. I wish they called him out more. The one obvious fact is he's trying to sell his game. "Just buy it, everybody buy it and judge it for yourself". Acting like he's trying to be moral, but is just acting like a salesman.