Topic: Reggie speaks. 'Nuff said.

[The Omen]

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The Revolution could have GTA as an EXCLUSIVE and I'll bet it wouldn't sell systems. GTA is played. There's been three games for it on the PS2. It will probably still sell well but people won't feel the need to purchase a whole console for it. Killer apps are rarely what you would expect them to be. Nintendo's best bet at finding the next 'it" game is to get devs working on non-franchise titles. Only from originality will killer apps arise.

GTA isn't done yet.  It has one huge game left...and if it's exclusive to Nintendo, you can bet it'll move systems.  However, if they release another GTA before the next gen, it won't mean much...the demand will be long saturated.  Funny how just 1 too many can make that much of a difference.

I have contacts at a pretty huge third party, and they haven't received any Dev kits for Revolution, or sp[ecs for that matter.  Hopefully soon though...

[nemo_83]

I think this time Iwata was more clear with what he said than Reggie.  

SFII was what put the SNES over.  

Hardcore gamers are burned out on GTA.  Maybe one good one on a next gen system will still generate sells, but the game won't push as many systems as it did with the PS2.  Look how spectacular RE4 is, and it is not selling like GTA was on the PS2 and technically GTA was attrocious looking.  

[couchmonkey]

But people didn't buy GTA for the graphics, they bought it for the outrageous violence and different gameplay.  That's my take anyway.

I agree that picking up an existing franchise probably won't sell Revolutions necessarilly, but there are a couple of comments I have to make:

-Resident Evil 1 did sell Cubes, just not as many as Halo or GTA sold of their respective consoles.
-Resident Evil 1 was a remake. If Capcom had released Resident Evil 4 in the form it's in now (or even a 10% less incredible form) I think it would have sold more consoles.
-One game usually isn't enough to sell a system on its own.  Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness were the lone "M" rated games in a landscape dominated by Nintendo's usual family friendly games.  Heading into 2003, Nintendo had a decent lineup for adults, but it kind of fell apart in that year with Mario Kart, Cel-shaded Zelda and Viewtiful Joe heading up the system exclusives.  F-Zero Soul Calibur II was the closest thing to a mature exclusive title Nintendo had.

Umm, so I guess my point is, Nintendo needs more than one "M" title.  I think it needs one star, and then a good lineup of backers.

[KDR_11k]

Bull. The PSP launches with 90% E rated games yet nobody calls it childish. It's all about marketing and perception. Business today is 80% lies and 20% product.
It's possible to create a game that appeals to mature audiences without having it rated any higher than E or T. GT4 didn't get rated M yet nobody would dare to think it's meant for children. Nintendo might need to pursue styles that resonate more with the adult gamer. Crime (investigation), SciFi, Fantasy, Sports, Reality in general. Why did Metroid Prime resonate with that audience despite containing no serious violence? Because it had a setting that could happen in real life, no stylized people and stuff like that. Why does the new Zelda attract so much attention? The world looks closer to reality. These days people have been conditioned to think of anything not resembling reality as childish. Trying to break this conditioning is sure a commendable goal but doesn't exactly work when you're not a major force in the market.

I, for example, would like to see Nintendo make a space sim that doesn't have a main character that appeals mostly to furries. Preferrably one of those free space sims (as in Elite, not Freespace). Those would also be able to teach children because they involve things other than fighting enemies (and usually discourage fighting during the early game).

[Don'tHate742]

Exactly, being mature doesn't mean sticking an "M" onto games, it means pursueing mature topics. It's like the difference between cartoons/anime/CG-shows and sitcoms/hour long shows/comedy specials. Not to say a cartoon can't be mature...just look at south park. It's the same when you look at Conker's Bad fur day. You don't neccessarily have to put a gun in a little squirrels hands though. All you have to do is develope a story with mature topics in mind. Personally, I can see Nintendo making Pokemon more mature. It is a fun game at heart, but it doesn't touch bases with the adults. Nintendo already has the youth legion, so I'm guessing the adults are who they are targeting. Anyway, simply putting the concept of death into the games (ala Fire Emblem) can make those that don't see it as a worthy RPG, think twice. Maybe that is too harsh, since I'm sure no kid would want to lose "BubbleSnuff." Going back to what KDR said, it's all about prensentation. So, if Nintendo decided to "up" Pokemon...instead of releasing the same game over and over agian, they could give it a new face. They could make it similar to anime's that are seen as more mature. Give it a stylized cell-shaded look similar to popular mature anime series (Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Inuyasha) and I think they have a multi-million seller on their hands. Kids will love it becuase they're favorite pokemon looks so damn cool, and adult gamers will love it since they had never gave it a chance in the first place. It could play the same but with some majore enhancements (Online, multi-person battle, new ability to see charachter's favorite pokemon or even ride pokemon). You would still have to collect and train Pokemon, but now it seems like the world is much darker, and not so friendly anymore. That's how the real world is.

[KDR_11k]

Celshading resonates with the anime nuts but not the general public. Unless you mean that K7-like but I doubt that.

[couchmonkey]

Man, my last post is a bit of a trainwreck.  Anyway...

I agree that it's more about image than how mature the games actually are, but that's kind of my point.  Sony is pumping out games that are "cool".  Even their E rated games are all arguably slicker than Nintendo's.  That's exactly why I like Nintendo's games better, I'd rather play something with lots of personality and colours.  But looking at a casual gamer that wants to look cool and play games that are aimed at him instead of kids, Sony's selection is usually better.  Looking at the PSP lineup, Hotshots Golf is the only major PSP release that's anywhere near as cartoony and cute as Nintendo's products, and even it's still more slick and sterile than Mario Golf by a good margin.

Looking at some of the other big releases, you've got Metal Gear Ac!d which is a potentially dumb game, but nothing that an image-conscious adult gamer would be embarrassed to play; Ridge Racers and Lumines, which are E-rated but they're also age-neutral games with nothing really embarrassing or cartoony in them; and Darkstalkers which is ironically a little cartoony and might not appeal to some adults even though it probably will get a T rating instead of an E rating.

Overall, that PSP lineup is a lot cooler looking to an adult that's worried about his image than Mario, Wario and Yoshi.  I believe having a lineup of cool products makes a difference, and Nintendo doesn't usually have that.  It has one or two
"cool" games mixed in with a heap of Mario, Pokemon, Kirby and the rest.

[KDR_11k]

Well, Metal Gear Acid is already receiving trolling from people who believe card battling is something only kids do. This might be Metal Gear's Wind Waker...

But yes, I agree with you. Nintendo doesn't even need to change much, they just need to make people THINK they're appealing to adults. Obviously that "We're making games for everyone" doesn't cut it. Vegetarian meals can be eaten by normal eaters as well but without the occassional meat they'll get angry.

[pitbull]

I'd like to see Sega make new and better installments of Jet Moto and Shenmue for Rev. Why didn't they make them for current systems?

[ThePerm]

i want a new shenmue game for sure.....shenmue is still impressive by my standards....i miss running around japan...and the last two games lefto ff with such clifangers...makes me want more.

[Ages]

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Originally posted by: pitbull
I'd like to see Sega make new and better installments of Jet Moto and Shenmue for Rev. Why didn't they make them for current systems?

Sega didnt make Jet Moto, and Shenmue is on the Xbox, thanks to my post is a train wreck's money hats.  I bet my post is a trainwreck *nods*