Topic: What gamers want in the next Nintendo system

[ThePerm]

thats the other thing...playing Resident Evil 4 today....i think about how beutiful and superior it looks and im thinking...why aren't there a million games being made using this engine!

[KDR_11k]

I'm just saying that Nintendo doesn't have a chance at wooing the media. They're ignored, their battles lost before the first shot fell. Of course I don't want them to deliver anything less than what they're capable of, that goes without saying. But people seem to think that N still has a chance to retake the crown with the Rev. I just don't see that happening. Just like the Germans couldn't let their autocracy go after they lost their emperor and therefore elected Hitler, people won't let go of their "Nintendo sucks" idea in one generation.

Perm: Engines are highly specialized, the chances that any other game would work with the RE4 engine are really low.

[ThePerm]

i never understood that stuff...seriously....when you make a mod you just reprogram how a game plays..that stuff is easilly adjustable.....but of course graphics and stuff that all stays the same....changing the one group of code that  

[Spak-Spang]

The Media may be biased, but it is also easy to sway.

If Nintendo launched a new system as powerful or more powerful than the X-Box, and presented the public with a launch game that is not only must have, but presents Nintendo with a more mature image (even if next to it is a Mario game) then the media will immediately start heralding the second coming of Nintendo.  Despite the appearance of complete Biased this generation was odd from a media point of view.

Microsoft and the Xbox was the 3rd console...and a new company entering the equation...and to see it be someone as big as Microsoft obviously that will gain attention.  When Xbox started to succeed you have an immediate story which would create positive press throughout this generation.  

What for next generation and you will see much more sensible media to all 3 systems, specially if they launch all about the same time.

[ThePerm]

thats the nice thing of having no new competitors this gen. Nintendo knows this gen...it can get a hardware advantage.

[xts3]

I think Nintendo is out of touch with technology personally, the GC was still inferior in the kind of content it could deliver because of the ridiculously small sized discs, many ported games textures and sounds had to be compressed and that shouldn't be happening at all considernig when the Gamecube was released.

Many high rated games come on DVD9's now for the PS2, easily more then 10 games use DVD9's, many would simply be not possible on the cube and no developer would want to split the discs so that theres 5 discs for a game that was developed on DVD9 the porting costs and rewrite of these games alone would not be worth it.   Xenosaga series, Champions of Norrath and Return ot arms are all on DVD9.  

[KDR_11k]

What makes me wonder is that console games often come on pretty much full DVDs, yet PC games that use much larger assets (most notably larger textures) fit on 2-3 CDs. Doom 3 has 3 CDs, since the textures would be cut down to 1/8th the size on consoles you could easily fit it on the GC disks, Perimeter's DVD is 1.5GB large (and the game uses quite some FMVs), some games like Wanted or Tron 2.0 aren't much larger than one CD. PCs have advanced over consoles yet their game media stayed smaller but there's no visible degradation of quality with PC releases. Okay, installation might add 1/3rd to the size but still not much larger than GC disks. Back when the PC's specs were comparable to the GC's the games were around 1GB installed. Might be because PC games use fewer FMVs and more realtime content? Doom 3 and HL2 both use no FMVs outside of their developer intros...

[Artimus]

The installation is a HUGE difference. You can compress files onto a disc and them uncompress them when you unistall. You can't do that with consoles, it has to be put on as it will be read. The small discs was a mistake, and one no one seems to understand.

[KDR_11k]

The installation doesn't add that much to the filesize, though. D3-> 3CDs (1.8-2.0GB), 2.2GB install (okay, D3 might be a bad example since it stores its data in zip files but there's nothing preventing other devs from doing the same). Back then when the GC was comparable to a PC the games were around 1.5 to 2.0 GB installed.

[ThePerm]

back to my original points

backwards compatability confirmed

pokemon xd? If its online....that is another check

revolution has built in wirelss...even better than having a broadband adapter......now you gotta sell some sort of hub that connects to a cellphone network.......or whatever it takes to connect things up easily

[Don'tHate742]

The smaller disk wasn't a big mistake. Any games that were larger than the capacity just used 2 disks. It's not like it turned away developers because of it. Developers were already turned away due to some other fact. Also, the smaller size allows for it to be used in the future possibly, and it's smaller size stopped piracy.

I don't know exactly what I want from the Revolution but I know what I want to hear come this year's E3....

Headline 1:

The Revolution is Revolutionary!
-Do things never thought possible, best of all it's easier than clicking here...then again, maybe not

Headline 2:

DS set to launch with 10 exclusive online titles
-Nintendo alone will be shipping 10 online-enabled games this year and the next

Headline 3:

Pokemon XD, Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Geist impressions
-4 AAA titles, two of which are cel-shaded, two of which are not....could this be the Year of Cube?



hahaha.........maybe not, but it would be nice

[Savior]

An exclusive 3D fighting game. Something to compete with Tekken and DOA. Id like that for starters...  theres other stuff too.  

[nickmitch]

I want a pony, but that's unrelated.

[PaLaDiN]

"An exclusive 3D fighting game. Something to compete with Tekken and DOA. Id like that for starters... theres other stuff too."

SSBM?

[Savior]

SSBM

Great. Awesome love it. Hope the Revolution launches with the next Smash

but i dont consider it a fighting game, and its not 3D ( I dont want Smash 3D btw. even though i think 4 player 3D party fighters are fun)

To me Smash is more a Party Game....  Its certainly open to argument ( I know alot of you will disagree)

Anyways. Im talking about a Tekken-like game. But something exclusive to the console.  Kinda like what ive always harked about Urban Champion 3D  

[darknight06]

Check the tournament scene for SSBM, it's a lot deeper than most people ever figure out.

[Don'tHate742]

Hahaha....SSBM is one of the deepest fighters yet. My friend and I battled for a little more than half an hour with stock set at 10. It was crazy. When it was all said and done, we recieved 5 big coins and some smaller ones. It was the most I've ever gotten in one bout (sp). No items on Final Destination provides for one of the best fighter experiences........ever.

[nemo_83]

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Originally posted by: MaleficentOgre
gamers want megaman in the next system.

Genius!  Cel shaded Megaman similar to a cross between Viewtiful Joe and Wind Waker.

[pitbull]

Everyone we should just trust the N and let them make great things. The stuff there making we probably don't even know we want. The industry has turned into a linear pathline of somesorts, let's let the big N make the industry 3D again so to speak.

[pitbull]

I never caught onto the whole SSMB buzz. Iv'e been playing video games ever since I figured out that you could put quarters in a machine and make stuff on the screen move( I was about 5-6). When I play a game with Mario in it it reminds me of that first sureal expierience with the Nes and that arcade game where Mario ran around with a hammer trying to get to Donkey Kong. I don't like the whole Mario fighting thing. Give me a great SF or violent fighter. Anyone remember Time Killers and Primal Rage for the arcades or the modified SF TE pirated version. Those were great. Cute characters and fighters don't work with me.

[KDR_11k]

You know, I just realized (or at least found a way to put it in words) what I want: Games. Games that play different, that are fresh.

[couchmonkey]

First and foremost, I want whatever Nintendo gives me.  I've never been truly disappointed with a Nintendo console, just annoyed by various flaws.  The N64 is probably the most flawed Nintendo console I own, the one that left me dissatisfied in the most ways, yet ironically it may be my favourite Nintendo console too.  That's because the N64 had amazing, top-notch games that broke the mould set in the two previous generations.

That's one of the things that makes me really excited about Revolution - it isn't just a graphical upgrade.  So the thing I want most from Nintendo next generation is a machine and games that live up to the name Revolution.  If Nintendo does that (and offers a decent selection of games) I will be happy.  But I do have a few piddly pet-preferences too.

If the system uses two types of controllers - the new, "revolutionary" controllers and GameCube controllers, I hope Nintendo will introduce a revamped version of the GameCube style controller with a more traditional button layout and a bigger d-pad.  Also, use inverse-shaped face buttons like the Super NES, I just can't understand why nobody sees what a great idea that was.  I'm assuming that if the system has just one type of controller, I hope Nintendo will design it with the flexibility to play GameCube games and other traditional games in mind.

I also hope Nintendo will try it's hardest to get lots of third party support.  I think that's one of the most important things to have on a console.

Finally, I kind of hope it will have a harddrive and possilby HD-DVD playback but those aren't too important to me.  Oh yeah, and I'd prefer if Nintendo stopped pimping Mario for cameos and spin-offs so much, but I can live with that too.

Basically, I have quite a bit of faith in Nintendo and after the announcements at GDC and recent interviews with Reggie, I'm starting to get really excited about Revolution.  I can't wait to find out what makes it so different from the other systems.

[heinous_anus]

Ian and Perm basically covered everything that needs to be done by Nintendo, if they ever intend to shine again.

Someone said that the SNES and Genesis days weren't as ferocious as they are now?  Give me a break.  Does no one remember the "SEGA does...what Ninten DON'T!" commercials?  I think I remember SNES commercials being pretty "competitive" as well.  I think if you asked Nintendo executives 15 years ago "would you like for Sega to simply disappear?" you'd hear some resounding "yes"s.  And Ian is spot-on with that observation about "matching" games.  Nintendo gave up on that a long, long time ago.

Someone else mentioned that "problems don't get fixed overnight."  Your definition of overnight must be much different than mine - they've had almost a decade to fix the problems that occured in the late 90s with the N64.  You know what N should do?  Go out and buy Square.  If that's not feasible, go and capture as much of the development team for Chrono Trigger that you possibly can.  Put out a spectacular first-party RPG at launch.

And right now, Sony does have "franchises"...or they're trying to start some; occasionally they just get drowned in the SEA of games available for the system - i'd consider Dark Cloud, Jak and Daxter, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy "franchise" games for the PS2.

If Nintendo reiterates the attitude and practices it had during the 8/16-bit days, the Revolution will be the best console ever, regardless of sales numbers and financial figures.

[Dukobe8]

In some wats, i feel like nintendo has forgotten how to make great games...they have to stick to details...wind waker was a great game, too easy, but that really didn't even bother me, what did bother me though, is the fact that i couldn't just go back and roam around after i had beaten the game on the same save...who cares about the story, make it some kind of unlockable bonus....also, while mario tennis and golf are great games, i think that it might be a better idea for nintendo to stick to developing these own they're own..and this is where details really come in...what i want to see is when i win all the tournaments, or get 15 hole-in-ones i unlock an other secret, a hidden mini golf game, that offers alomost...but not quite..as much game play as the regular game...i want this to be in mario golf..not in some spin off...not only is would this type of thing be a cool secret, i'd feel like i was getting a deal because i was getting 2 in 1...i guess i'm just going right back to the same thing....details...and we've got to get some exclusives...come on..although, resident evil 4 is NICE, but it's going to come to ps2, so I'm not sure that i would call that exclusive, just because it's exclusive for a few months...anyway, i def. have to go to work...

[zakkiel]

SSBM is both the crown on the fighting genre and its antithesis. It is the supreme test of skill. Where all other fighters are Mortal Kombat endlessly rehashed, SSBM created a control scheme so deeply intuitive that your character truly becomes an extension of your will. A two-player SSMB battle is the purest contest of gaming prowess you will ever see. If the fact that cartoony characters are hitting each other puts you off of the entire game, it's your loss.

The single issue Nintendo most needs to address is lineup. When I talk to people about the gamecube, I don't hear "it's a purple cube," I hear "there are no games on it that I want to play." This goes for people who enjoy immature-looking games as much as for hardened CS fanatics. Nintendo does have obvious PR problems - not helped by the ridiculously fatuous gaming press corps that buys other companies' hype every single damn time - but mostly it's about the games, stupid. Online is great, and I'm excited. New features are cool, and I hope they'll wow us all. Sleek design is overrated (see PS2), but definitely a good bonus. Nonetheless, a weak early lineup is really what killed the Cube, and it's killing the DS. It pains me every time I walk in a store and see three walls devoted to Xbox and PS2, and a couple of shelves for the GC. Genuine variety and quantity count. Hopefully, Nintendo will show us that their talk about it all coming down to the software wasn't just hot air.

Backwards compatability is part of that, incidentally, which is why I'm glad it's aleady been confirmed.