Topic: What gamers want in the next Nintendo system

[KDR_11k]

Haha, Champions of Norrath and God of War are first party games, not third party ones .

[ThePerm]

Now the controller really was revolutionary...but what else!?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Absolutely nothing!

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[denjet78]

There is something amusing about all the whining in relation to Nintendo. If you look at how they operate and how Sony and MS operate, they're on completely different fields. To be honest, they're not even competing in the same industry!

Nintendo sells GAMES. Sony and MS sell IMAGE. You wan't to rag on Nintendo for not selling image, then why aren't you complaining that Sony and MS aren't selling games? You want Nintendo to do what Nintendo does as well as what Sony and MS do. ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY??? Sony and MS can only do what they do. They could NEVER do what Nintendo does. If you don't believe that then look at their in-house developed software. 90% crap and the other 10% comes from developers that they bought AFTER they were interested in a franchise they developed. If Sony and MS can't do it all, and they're about a billion times bigger, more powerful and more influential than Nintendo, they why in GODS NAME would you EVER think that Nintendo could do it?

Sure Nintendo could spend a generation throwing money hats at developers, getting into bidding wars over key franchises. They could match the competition spec for spec hardware wise, and take the same finantial losses. But if they don't make the same games as everyone else makes, they're still going to be the odd man out. Everyone keeps saying that all Nintendo has to do is show that they're interested, make a few games themselves or even buy them. People, it's too late for a few games. At this point in the game Nintendo would have to completely convert to Sony and MS' terms and then, they wouldn't be Nintendo anymore. They'd have more market share sure, and be bleeding money worse than the XBox, but they'd be in the game wouldn't they?

For one generation at least... maybe.

[Magik]

What I want in the REV is for Nintendo to stop making so many dumb mistakes they did with the GC.  My goodness, when you take a look at the GC from the beginning till now, it's absolutely unbelievable how they could have screwed up so much.

Whoever decided to use purple as the main console colour needs a smack in the head.  No, this has nothing to be with be homophobic or whatever, it's just that purple is an ugly colour to use on a console or any device.  And the design of the system itself.. omg.  The damn console looks like a fisher price toy.  

I do hope that in the first year of release for the REV, that it has games that covers all the genres, especially those that the GC were missing.  IE RPGs, FPS, GTA-style.

[JonLeung]

I don't see how they screwed up so much, at least if I was only looking at your statements, with which you only stated its shape and colour.  It's like, if you can't come up with good reasons, you have to pick on the silliest things.  I'm sure the handle is next on that list.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but when your only points are aesthetic, then that's very shallow.  Either that or people in general are if they truly couldn't overlook that.  Didn't anyone know that Jet Black was also available at launch?

If you want to mention other things, like dropping the ball on online and third-party support, then you may have a point.  Though third-party support was far from the abysmal amount the N64 got, especially in its later days.  And profit-wise, Nintendo's still on top.

[Magik]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I don't see how they screwed up so much, at least if I was only looking at your statements, with which you only stated its shape and colour.  It's like, if you can't come up with good reasons, you have to pick on the silliest things.  I'm sure the handle is next on that list.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but when your only points are aesthetic, then that's very shallow.  Either that or people in general are if they truly couldn't overlook that.  Didn't anyone know that Jet Black was also available at launch?

If you want to mention other things, like dropping the ball on online and third-party support, then you may have a point.  Though third-party support was far from the abysmal amount the N64 got, especially in its later days.  And profit-wise, Nintendo's still on top.

I only listed the aesthetic because it was the first thing that came to mind and I had somewhere to go.  If you want me to, I'll be glad to list a few.

Let's see, the launch line-up weak.  Putting Luigi's Mansion as THE GC title was mistake when it should have been Star Wars Rogue Squadron.  Luigi is no Mario, and Luigi's Mansion itself was way to short.  When you compare it to the launches of the past, it's nothing close and when compared to the Xbox's launch line-up, even worse.

Having no Mario or even a top Nintendo franchise was pretty rough.

How bout the droughts between major releases?  Those droughts hurt, having to wait month after month for a top title to be released was very troubling.  What was worse, right after launch, there wasn't any big titles for quite some time.  How can a console go against the PS2 and Xbox if there aren't consistent releases to keep people interested?  People got bored moved onto other consoles.

What about that connectivity BS with the GBA?  Crystal Chronicles could have been a must have game if it weren't for that stupid connectivity garbage where 4 GBA's were needed.  To this day, I have no clue as to why Nintendo was pushing such a foolish idea.  

The first memory cards were absolutely trash.  8 megabits compared to 8 megabytes for the PS2 and the 8/10 GB HDD for the Xbox.  Sports games suffered because of the lack of space, some games required the saves to be stripped down just to fit the memory card.  I can sort of see how Nintendo got such a decent profit, considering how people had to buy more than one memory card.

Yeah, 3rd party support wasn't abysmal compared to the N64, but it's still abysmal when you compare it to the competitors.  

[JonLeung]

Not to get picky, I think you meant Rogue Leader, not Rogue Squadron...I guess I was the only Nintendo fan with the foresight to not buy Luigi's Mansion and buy Rogue Leader instead.

FF:CC is a bit of an oddity, though, I'll give you that.  I don't know if the idea was foolish, but maybe the way it was presented and perceived was.  As Penny Arcade pointed out, with the GBA selling much more than four times more than the GameCube, you'd be more likely to find someone with a GBA than a GameCube.  It shouldn't've been "who has some GBAs so we can play FF:CC?" but more like "who has a GameCube so we can play FF:CC?"  It's still an extra hardware requirement for any of those who only have one or the other, true.  How do you market a console game to those who like handhelds?  How do you market a console game that requires a handheld?  I personally play console and handheld games (and also PC games), but I guess I'm an oddity - those are apparently different markets and a game like FF:CC apparently wasn't enough to bridge that segregation and get different kinds of gamers to try it out.  I think bearing the Final Fantasy name there were some expectations (even though FF has had its fair share of spin-offs before that).  I still don't think it's foolish on its own - nothing is foolish if it sells.  And it just didn't hit it off.

At least with DS-Revolution connectivity, you won't need a cable, and that would remove one physical barrier to connectivity.  Assuming Nintendo will try to keep going with it.  If it actually works in a game, or more like, if enough people are even willing to try it out, it is indeed something Nintendo has that the competition doesn't.  I haven't heard of PSP-PS3 connectivity.

Enough about that, though.  I'm sure Nintendo would try really hard in many other ways to distinguish themselves from the competition, and I'm sure Sony/Microsoft fanboys are simply going to say they tried too hard.  I'm sure the majority just don't get it, seeing as how most people that have actually used the device liked it.  Or maybe they're waiting to see it in play in actual game situations.  That's one thing that simply has to be waited for.

To answer the question about what gamers want in the next Nintendo system?  I'm guessing Nintendo gamers want more of the same of the good stuff (their favourite franchises continuing while avoiding staleness) and I think all gamers in general would want Nintendo to deliver on their promise of new gameplay experiences.

[Stimutacs Addict]

Sony has mentioned PSP conneting to it's big brother, but I doubt that they will come up with anything special (Nintendo probably wont either, though controlling a CamSpy with the DS would be TIGHT~!)

[Magik]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Not to get picky, I think you meant Rogue Leader, not Rogue Squadron...I guess I was the only Nintendo fan with the foresight to not buy Luigi's Mansion and buy Rogue Leader instead.

FF:CC is a bit of an oddity, though, I'll give you that.  I don't know if the idea was foolish, but maybe the way it was presented and perceived was.  As Penny Arcade pointed out, with the GBA selling much more than four times more than the GameCube, you'd be more likely to find someone with a GBA than a GameCube.  It shouldn't've been "who has some GBAs so we can play FF:CC?" but more like "who has a GameCube so we can play FF:CC?"  It's still an extra hardware requirement for any of those who only have one or the other, true.  How do you market a console game to those who like handhelds?  How do you market a console game that requires a handheld?  I personally play console and handheld games (and also PC games), but I guess I'm an oddity - those are apparently different markets and a game like FF:CC apparently wasn't enough to bridge that segregation and get different kinds of gamers to try it out.  I think bearing the Final Fantasy name there were some expectations (even though FF has had its fair share of spin-offs before that).  I still don't think it's foolish on its own - nothing is foolish if it sells.  And it just didn't hit it off.

At least with DS-Revolution connectivity, you won't need a cable, and that would remove one physical barrier to connectivity.  Assuming Nintendo will try to keep going with it.  If it actually works in a game, or more like, if enough people are even willing to try it out, it is indeed something Nintendo has that the competition doesn't.  I haven't heard of PSP-PS3 connectivity.

Enough about that, though.  I'm sure Nintendo would try really hard in many other ways to distinguish themselves from the competition, and I'm sure Sony/Microsoft fanboys are simply going to say they tried too hard.  I'm sure the majority just don't get it, seeing as how most people that have actually used the device liked it.  Or maybe they're waiting to see it in play in actual game situations.  That's one thing that simply has to be waited for.

To answer the question about what gamers want in the next Nintendo system?  I'm guessing Nintendo gamers want more of the same of the good stuff (their favourite franchises continuing while avoiding staleness) and I think all gamers in general would want Nintendo to deliver on their promise of new gameplay experiences.

My bad, I knew it was a Star Wars game but not the exact title.  Squadron kept popping up in my head.

The connectivity was one generation too early.  It was a good idea, but it wasn't practical.  It's one thing to get one person with a GBA AND Cables, but getting 4 people... geez.

Nintendo, to me, already distinguishes themselves by their 1st party games.  The problem I see is they make A LOT of dumb-common-sense decisions and seem to be always playing 'catch up' with everyone else.  

The release of Metroid Prime 2 comes to mind as one of the dumbest decisions this generation.  To release AFTER Halo 2 was plain DUMB, and probably hurt sales.  Halo 2 overshadowed EVERY game imaginable at that time.  

I just wished they would stop making these type of decisions.  It just annoys the hell out of me.

[couchmonkey]

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Originally posted by: Magik

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
The release of Metroid Prime 2 comes to mind as one of the dumbest decisions this generation.  To release AFTER Halo 2 was plain DUMB, and probably hurt sales.  Halo 2 overshadowed EVERY game imaginable at that time.  

Except GTA: San Andreas.  Sorry, I couldn't help myself.  I still think you're right.

[ThePerm]

well the problem with your logic JohnLeung is that Metroid Prime 2 is an awesome game, it shouldnt be overshadowed by anything. The problem is Nintendo is less popular, so whatever they release gets less press.

[The Omen]

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Nintendo sells GAMES. Sony and MS sell IMAGE. You wan't to rag on Nintendo for not selling image, then why aren't you complaining that Sony and MS aren't selling games?

Amazingly enough, selling image enables a company to sell more games through said image.  Overall, Sony and MS have sold plenty of games because each contains a bigger user base.  I fail to see why it's so hard for people to grasp the idea of selling the sizzle first, then supplying the steak.  Nintendo seems to think they can say "hey!  Look at our steak!  It's juicier than the others!  I promise!"  Obviously, the sizzle, ie marketing, brings in more potential game buyers than supplying a great product will, alone.  It's been this way since the beginning of time.

[nemo_83]

Things I personally want:

Standard widescreen support in games.

A packed in hard drive that can be replaced.  I want universal friends list options.

A packed in shell/frame/cradle that connects the nunchuck and remote and adds secondary facial mechanics allowing third party ports while retaining remote functionality.

I want one Super Mario Brothers game, I want it at launch, I want cooperative modes, and I want it to be similar to the New SMB on DS.

I want an ethernet port.  

I want the power of the system to be focused on lighting rather than surface effects.

I want game editing tools for downloaded games.

I want some downloadable games to eventually have patches for the new remote and online multiplayer.

I want to see some original (big and dark) franchises.

And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?

[ThePerm]

back in the 80s advertising wasn't so complicated and scientific. Thats why NES sold so many units and anyone who tried to compete at the time was largely ignored.

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
Things I personally want:

Standard widescreen support in games.

A packed in hard drive that can be replaced.  I want universal friends list options.

A packed in shell/frame/cradle that connects the nunchuck and remote and adds secondary facial mechanics allowing third party ports while retaining remote functionality.

I want one Super Mario Brothers game, I want it at launch, I want cooperative modes, and I want it to be similar to the New SMB on DS.

I want an ethernet port.  

I want the power of the system to be focused on lighting rather than surface effects.

I want game editing tools for downloaded games.

I want some downloadable games to eventually have patches for the new remote and online multiplayer.

I want to see some original (big and dark) franchises.

And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?

I want world domination and an android maid. Nintendo better deliver!

[Kairon]

All I could ever want out of Nintendo, more than I'm seeing from them now, more than what I believe is already there due to Miyamoto and Iwata and what I believe to be there because of my general goodwill from them...

All I want from them is someone who can take over when Miyamoto retires.

...The sad thing is that I'm probably making a request more impossible than any of you.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Plugabugz]

I want:

Less incredibly stupid mistakes. Like, advertising wifi connection on TV and with a link to the UK website which was still marked as "coming soon" at the time, then to revamp the page and put a pre-register sort of link on there only to not email anyone when the site goes live.

Games released faster. Animal Crossing Wild World gets here next week. A japanese-developed game should immediately start making european translations.

No pathetic 3 (even month wait for a console because we done generate as much profit. Try harder. Their non-games strategy wouldn't be necessary if they concentrated a little harder on pleasing the people they forget about first. Between october and now nothing of value has come out for the DS.

Release games appropriately; where's the point in releasing F-Zero GX 7 days before Mario Kart?

Like Ian said a few pages back, "cancel-out games". We need an equal to Pro Evolution Soccer - in addition to Smash Football. I know someone who solely plays that game, but the cube downstairs is covered in dust and will only get used when zelda arrives.

There's a glimmer of hope so far; their wifi contracts now expanding into download stations is a real good idea to grab people's attention, and i hope it translates over to the new console. A lot of the things im saying are european-centric so excuse me for not concentrating solely on the rev's power to boil eggs on the nunchuck. The new console itself doesn't worry me, i'm concerned over how we're going to get lost in the fray again.

[Caliban]

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All I could ever want out of Nintendo, more than I'm seeing from them now, more than what I believe is already there due to Miyamoto and Iwata and what I believe to be there because of my general goodwill from them...

All I want from them is someone who can take over when Miyamoto retires.

...The sad thing is that I'm probably making a request more impossible than any of you.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Wow, I never thought of that. Who will substitute Miyamoto? Fortunately he might be there for quite some time that we will actually see someone step up to the plate just for Nintendo, 'cause obviously there are right now game creators that are at the same level of Miyamoto but they ain't with the big N.

[Strell]

Wishlist:

1) Allow games to be downloaded into the Revmote (such as NES/SNES/etc) via removable storage/internal hard drive, then packing in A/V cords to let games be transsferred around to other TVs.  If it could connect to the DS for this, that would rock.

2) Allowing games to be downloaded into a DS via an SD Card adapter, hencing allowing the above, but for portable gaming.

3) That the Virtual Console be fleshed out to include all sorts of systems AND Nintendo finds a way to sell physical copies of old/rare games.  Radiant Silvergun and Snatcher come to mind.

4) A nice glowing blue base to charge the Revmote in.

5) More expansion ports other than just the USB ports.  For some reason I'm so used to them that I'd be astounded if they didn't appear on the Rev.

6) That they keep the name "Revolution."

7) That you can use the shell to play Gamecube games, thereby not forcing people to buy Gamecube controllers if they want to utilize GC virtual console gaming.

A fairly robust CD/DVD playing system.  

9) That games aren't expensive to download OR buy in stores.

10) Connectivity with the DS/GBA2, and interfacing with the USB adapter.

11) Removable storage via SD cards.


I might think of more later.

[wandering]

Funny how perm's bumping always works.

Anyway, what I want:

An attachment that allows me to plug in old Nintendo cartridges and play them on the Revolution.

The system to accept and play DreamCast games in addition to GameCube/Revolution games.

Downloadable old Game Boy games on the Virtual console

Universal friends codes w/ ability to invite friends even when they're not playing the same game as you. Also, lots of in-game voice-chat.

Good games.

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4) A nice glowing blue base to charge the Revmote in.

I'm sure a third party will offer one....

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Wow, I never thought of that. Who will substitute Miyamoto? Fortunately he might be there for quite some time that we will actually see someone step up to the plate just for Nintendo, 'cause obviously there are right now game creators that are at the same level of Miyamoto but they ain't with the big N.

Well, not at the same level. But maybe some that are close.

Anyway, personally, I tend to think that Nintendo will eventually go the way of Disney, as their creative idealistic people die and are replaced by evil. But I hope to be proven wrong.

[ThePerm]

I like that dreamcast idea...it sounds like a winner

[Mario]

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Nintendo didn't try hard enough with GC

More like they tried TOO hard. They tried to fit in with the crowd and just came off as a Sony Lite, now with DS and Wii they are just being themselves and nobody can compete with that.

[Infernal Monkey]

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And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?

Hopefully forever, like your ban. *e-high five*

[Hocotate]

I've noticed right around the time the Wii became super popular, there has been a flood of negative comments about Nintendo on this board. While some good points were made, many of you are picking at the smallest of things. It's as if you are grasping at straws trying your best to find something negative to say about Nintendo. Some of the comments I just don't understand; "Nintendo is just playing catch up to their competition?" I think you have that backwards (PS3 controller is a good example).

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I think the reason many of us are asking for near perfection is because perfection is almost required for the Revolution to be successful.

No, Nintendo is not perfect, and you cannot expect them to be. I also disagree that Nintendo has to achieve near perfection just to be successful. I feel they are doing a lot fo thing right this time and they'll do fine. Sony has been messing up so badly that it's almost as if they've given up. MS still can't get Japan and their US sales aren't as hot as you'd expect. All the while Wii is getting a steady flow of hype, I think Nintendo is in a very good position.

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Plus their image is so tainted now that any sort of flaw is going to be blown out of proportion. They don't just have the childish image anymore. They also have an image of being unoriginal, out-of-touch, anti-technology, and just plain incompetent.

Their image is tainted right now? From what I've seen the Wii is the most popular console of the three. Unoriginal? I think the DS and Wii are very original. Minus the anti-technology and childish parts, this quote describes Sony perfectly.