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Nintendo Gaming / Now I see why!!!
« on: May 28, 2004, 09:54:21 AM »
The early part of last year I was lookin at a mag in my doctor's office stating that Nintendo had purchased stake in the card company hoyle and I couldn't come up with much of a reason why but with the release of the ds I'm thinking that we're going to see a card game with the hoyle license on ds, and wouldn't it be cool to have poker, spades, hearts and etc. at your fingertips to play with other ds owners on the go in tourneys with prizes and ranking systems in place and looking at the number of people that frequent the card and puzzle based games on yahoo, msn, aol and etc. I'm sure it would be a huge hit.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:DS Gripes
« on: May 28, 2004, 09:25:56 AM »
Before you go hating on the ds and it's two lovely screens consider that having two screens is a new and exciting way to game if done correctly and don't get it twisted that it ain't cool ause i've played touch screen games befor that rocked and just becuse it's a touch doesn't mean you can't just enjoy a game that utilizes the second screen minus the "touching".

With wi-fi we get so many options it ain't funny and once ideas get out there and the games start selling the ds is gonna be the talk of gaming.

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Nintendo Gaming / Ideas for ds marketing!!!
« on: May 26, 2004, 05:44:30 PM »
I would like to see Nintendo play the track record card by showing ads that reflect on all other portable consoles that the gameboy has crushed, such as a tv ad that dispalys each gameboy (with the year displayed) and then cut to a screen that displays each of the handhelds in blocks (such as lynx, game gear, etc.) brady bunch style with an x through each one, and at the end of the commercial stating that out of all the other portable systems gameboy has been there for you and intro the ds saying "And with a revolution in gaming we are still here"

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I'm not crazy about the "who are you" ads but they are pretty cool as they make you think about what type of gamer you are based on the games they show clips of and with the likes of r.e.4, pikmin 2, mario tennis, new mario, new zelda, and new metroid those ads will up the ante big time. Nintendo is very smart in the way they blitz off top notch titles at the end of their sytems cycle which in turn leaves fans fiending for the new one.

DS will rock!!!  

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Well the point I was making is all sony did was make Nintendo focus on the gameboy more and continue to dominate the handhgeld market and prosper while they wait for the perfect time to unleash a well balanced attack against sony which may be next-gen. Open your eyes people the Nintendo brand is strong and the perfect utopia of gaming for most people would be to have a Nintendo system and all the games they like on it. Sony will soon realize in more ways than one what it's like to get to the game late (with psp) and start 0-0 (with the ps3) which is going to be one heck of a ballgame people.

Nintendo needs to bring back the old Get N or get out slogan...priceless

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Nintendo once had what sony has but sony never had what Nintendo had and stilll has. Playing video-games once meant playing Nintendo whether home or on the go but sony came along and changed all that in Nintendo's hiatus, now while Nintendo did underestimate sony and never really caught up from the 12 month+ lead sony gained all was not lost because they had the gameboy and it was more like a transition from leading two gaming markets to only leading one which may have actually improved the gameboy to the heights we see today with the ds.

It's quite possible that had sony not swept the rug from up under them we would be staring at the release of the gba right now and not the ds (and who knows where the sp would be) so in a way sony just stepped in and shared the spotlight with Nintendo so while sony has experience being the market leader in home consoles two straight systems so does Nintendo, but sony on the other doesn't have any experience with a handheld gaming system and Nintendo has plenty plus I don't think they will be giving up huge head starts anymore and that may spell trouble with a capital "T" for sony.

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Let me go on record as saying I think competition is good and we all benefit as consumers by having multiple options but I think sony is going about it the wrong way and since they are doing pretty well on the home-console end I question the need of them to feel they should step into the portable arena with Nintendo. I doubt Nintendo would make that move if things were vice-a-versa but that's just me maybe.

I work in customer-relations for a well known company and one thing I've seen time and time again is that satisfied customers aren't likely to switch brands unless the price is more reasonable, and in the case of up-grading, it has to improve the overall quality of their experience over the brand they're used to immensely, if the price gap is wide.
Bottom line is consumers want all they can get for as little as they can pay for it and there just happens to be millions that love and cherish the fun and excitement that they have gotten from Nintendo's franchises and all itterations of gameboy's till this point and for many the move from gba/sp to ds will be as simple as popping open a coca-cola and that is going to be one tough nut for sony to crack.

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The ds vs psp battle is just the beginning of the war between sony and Nintendo for our next-gen home-console dollars and I think sony is greatly underestimating Nintendo because while they are the home-console leader Nintendo is actually the company that has put more systems and games in homes over the last ten years so the Nintendo brand is strong and they have made it quite clear at e3 that the future of the Nintendo brand will revolutionalize the industry not to mention that by squashing the psp and gaining more and more fans towards the end of the gamecube's cycle along with the ds Nintendo could see a major boost in support just when it matters most: Next-Gen.

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An interesting point you make there about Nintendo someday losing their dominance in the handheld market because it's true that no one stays on top forever and by that same token sony will be dethroned also in the home-arena.

I believe Nintendo will dominant again in the home-console arena and then we may see a drop-off in gameboy dominance by Nintendo, but I think that'll happen AFTER the ds.

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I don't know about a gameboy killer but the n-gage was expected to do more that it has done.

Sony will fail miserably where all have failed, lack of 1st party exclusives, because no matter how many 3rd parties they bring aboard Nintendo is going to get just as much if not more 3rd party support plus Nintendo's own million selling franchises and that's a heck of alot of armor to crack!!!

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It seems sony was unsure how to "really" create a portable system for the masses and just went spec crazy and upon completion realized ooops we made an uh-oh with the battery life and I agree about the uncertainity of how well the psp will do because if the gba-sp and ds don't kill it out the crib what kind of word of mouth spreads around about the battery life, games, and whether or not it's worth the price of admission over ds will be what really makes or breaks the psp.

p.s. sony just better hope the answers that spread from peer-to-peer are yes to those thrree questions!!!

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When the ds comes out I believe more than half of the people who own a gba-sp will buy it and about the original ps flying off the shelves, it took about 6 months for that to really happen cause everybody was skeptical and saying it cost too much and the disc would scratch too easy, but as I've said a million times Nintendo waited a YEAR AND A HALF which was totally insane and the original gameboy didn't fly off the shelves at first either but every one since the first one has so here we go again.

We all have heard and read enough about the way the ds and psp are built to know that the psp will be more expensive and with that said sony's toughest job is going to be showing consumers that it's actually worth buying over the ds AND that it's going to have a better selection of games and those are going to be two VERY hard things to do because millions of gameboyers trust Nintendo and all of a sudden that's going to change. NOT.

Also history teaches us that the only systems that have had a major impact on the company's first attempt have been in the absence of a major contender and each of these systems took about six months for consumers to really start buying.

1-nes (took video-gaming to new heights after intial skepticisim was pushed aside)
2-gameboy (slow out the gates but once it took off it took off)
3-ps1 (came out about six months after sega saturn which was killed by virtually no 3rd party support)
4-psp (if the above statement applied to the ds sony would be in for a smooth ride but we all know ds isn't going to lack support)

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I applaud those of you that have high hopes for the psp because competition could bring us a good war and we the gamers will be the real winners as the the psp and ds fight for supremacy in our palms, but just one thing I'm not yet convinced of, will psp offer alot that ds or gba won't  cause sony dosen't have any top notch 1st party games and it's virtually impossible that we'll see mario, zelda, metroid or any of Nintendo's million sellers on psp but there's a good chance that between devil may cry, gta, final fantasy, metal gear, and other sony million sellers we'll see some of them on ds.

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My points have been proven by history and until I'm proven wrong I believe ds will crush psp and still no one has given me things psp can do that ds can't plus everything I;ve read and from what I know about electronics I'm 100% sure psp will be a tad expensive for a portable system. That's my stance and I'm a stubborn old fool because long time ago I thought sega game gear was a great system and I actually bought one but it just never panned out and after seeing so many others fail I think only Nintendo can challenge Nintendo in the portable market.

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well my 20 years of gamning have taught me two things:

1-Gamers like familiarity and there are millions of gamers quite familiair with Nintendo handhelds

2-If it cost more it's got do more without me having to shell out to much money to get it's full potential

Now you can talk all day about what the psp can do which is great but tell me what it can do that the ds CAN'T and I'll tell you more the ds can do that the psp CAN'T and that my friend is the bottom line.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Let's break the games down
« on: May 19, 2004, 04:59:57 PM »
One thing you keep over-looking is the price versus bells and whistles because that's what the consumer wants to know, back when  ps2 came out it having a dvd player built in meant something to people but the media for psp to play movies isn't mainstream and won't mean jack to many so even though psp is more powerful than ds on a portable machine it's not as important and at launch existing gba owners can simply buy a ds and already have an established game collection to get them started plus I'm sure we'll see many stores that do trade ins getting  sp's toward the cost of of upgrade to the ds.

It seems sony forgot that portable gaming is different that home-console gaming, but I forgot the original ps was originally a joint project between Nintendo and sony so the ps2 is really the only video-game system they have under their belt till now and we all know how it stacks up tech wise to the gamecube!!!

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Let's break the games down
« on: May 19, 2004, 04:27:26 PM »
Thanx koopa for backing me up and I'm just wondering how many doing the psp talk will take half or all their check and do the psp walk!!!

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Let's break the games down
« on: May 19, 2004, 11:56:00 AM »
One thing that puzzles me greatly (thus the reason for my double standard) is that Nintendo already HAS millions of handheld customers, many of which have supprted them from the first gameboy (such as myself) so what about the psp is going to make all of us gameboy'ers jump ship? For me the answer is nothing and I fully believe many playstation'ers are wondering like me why is sony going portable anyways since all other gameboy challengers have failed.

I've owned a playstation, and have a playstation 2 and own many sony products from radio's to computers and my view is that everyone has their niche so if I heard Nintendo was making a computer as much as I would like to see them succeed I'd also be the first to say WHY? and not expect them to blossom in that arena as well as they have with videogames unless they shifted the company as a whole and pushed gaming to the backburners.

By that same token I have never felt sony was as good of a gaming company as Nintendo (the only reason I as well as many others bought a ps1 was because of the year and a half wait for N64 and the ps2 as well had a year lead) so I hold Nintendo and sony to different standards in my book because Nintendo has continued to take the gaming industry foward all these years in the home AND on the go and while sony has become a mainstay in the living rooms I doubt they'll do the same portabilty wise unless they bring a portable out at least 6 months BEFORE Nintendo does. Just my opinion.  

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Expect koei as well as all rpg heavy devs to make good use of the ds cause I can't count the number of times I have wished for controller with lcd display for me to be able to virtual have health, potions, spells, etc. at my fingertips in realtime during gameplay because it takes away greatly from the experience when in the heat of battle you must pause the game and siphon through maps, inventory, group stats, etc.  

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I'm impartial really just calling it like I see it because while anyone can dispute me I also think you can find many of the reasons I favor the ds will be the way most past gamboy purchasers feel plus a good percent of the new blood.

Look at it like this, Nintendo controls 95 % of the market in comes ds and let's just say only 80% jump on the ds ship and they pick up an additional 10% from newbies, now that's 90% still even with them losing 15% of their userbase (which ain't a small usebase) so sony picks up 5% of the market at best so whether or not that 5% will grow is the real question everyone should be asking imo.

It's almost as if people actually expect the millions of gameboy'ers out there to just say "Screw the ds I'm going with psp even though it'll cost me more and I'm not sure what to expect". THAT'S FUNNY!!!

By my above statement I'm just assuming they will lose 15% of their current players could be more, but what if it's LESS, (I don't know too many un-happy gba-sp owners myself) and the percentage of newbies could be different also but one things for sure most will stick with em and some new blood will make ds their first handheld.

 

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Well without an "official" statement nothing is never considered fact to all but alot of rumours are true just like alot are false but it's not like the price and release of pictochat is the biggest secret in the world so I believe it could be pretty close to point.

The point of this thread of course is that sony is the doomed and the two things that lead them to dominance in the living room (who waits a year and a half to release a system that was already 6 months late) are NOT going to happen here. Please open eyes people and realize that Nintendo has been around all these years because they're leaders and not followers and the one time they didn't lead sony took the living room from them, now if Nintendo were to spot psp a year and a half lead before introducing ds I would be singing a different tune but we all know that ain't happening!!!

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I was just searching around around google for ds info and translated a japenese site with info about pictochat, it will be sold seperate at or very close to launch with the modest price of around 20 u.s. dollars and it will allow players to write and send pics back and forth but it doesn't say anything bout voice chat so I'm wondering if that'll be capable out the box once you connect with another ds user?

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I can't wait till ds crushes psp so we can see what impact the "image" of seeing sony fail will have on mainstream gamers!!!

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Let me break down what will go through the average consumers mind when looking at the psp and ds side by side:

psp-more expensive than ds
ds-a little more expensive than past gameboys but within my budget
psp-looks nice and has a nice screen but I got to buy a protective case or I'm going to scratch it up
ds-looks nice and has TWO (wow one of em is a touch screen) screens but it opens and closes so I can just close it to protect the screen
psp-has wireless connectivity between systems as well as wi-fi
ds-has wireless connectivity plus wi-fi as well
psp-sony's first portable system
ds-this is like Nintendo's 5th gameboy and they just keep getting better and better so this one must be great
psp-uses disc which means I'll definitely need a carrying case when I'm on the go to protect those disc
ds-uses cards which won't get scratched from being in my pocket
psp-"looking at psp games" well let me look at the ds games
ds-"looking at ds games"  has more games PLUS it's compatible with gba games too
psp-I don't see why I would pay more for this plus shell out extra for a case
ds-I can get a ds plus a couple games and I don't need batteries

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Let's break the games down
« on: May 18, 2004, 10:44:19 PM »
All I'm saying is that Nintendo has many franchises to call upon which will gurantee the ds's success and since connectivity is going to be a big focus (all gameboy fans will rejoice at no more link cable) the multi-player aspect and the " need a ds cause my friend has one" factor is going sell millions of ds's just like every other gameboy!!!

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