Topic: Let's break the games down

[areefer]

Ok psp will have:

gta, final fantasy, gran turismo, ratchet&clank, jax&dexter, tekken, and metal gear just to throw some big names around (add any I may have over-looked)

Now the ds will have:

zelda, mario (so many versions kart, tennis, party, etc.), donkey kong, metroid, kirby, pokemon (many versions), wario, pikmin, animal crossing, starfox, and waverace just to throw some big names around (again add any I may have over-looked)

Now that's just a rough estimate of exclusives that each could have and I like Nintendo's line-up much better, not to mention that some of those on the psp list could see light on ds but  the other way around is a big NOT!!!

Now since so many kids are going to get the ds for christmas by the time psp comes out the amount of games out for ds will be quite impressive and I'm sure the big N will have a few killer apps set to release when the psp does plus the ability to play others without the need of link cables will be the best thing since sliced bread for the kiddies (and us oldies too) not to mention the wi-fi hot spots and the amount of games that Nintendo has to make great use of multi-player.

It seems as though the big N really done it's homework and has gone to great lengths to not only counter the psp but destroy ANY chance it may have had because never has the gameboy been hotter than it is right now as far as coolness goes and while some loyal sony fans may give it a try there are so many loyal gameboy'ers and they are pumping so much innovation into the ds (and I'm sure the ds that hits the store shelves will "look" a lot better than the e3 demos) that I just don't see how it's possible for psp to survive plus the backwards compatibilty will make bargain hunting gameboy'ers extremly happy and the GAMEBOY name will just get THAT much stronger!!!

[HereticPB]

The thing is Teenagers and 20 somethings will want to be cool so they will buy the PSP no matter at what price. I like the technology of the DS but even I can see the PSP is gonna squash anything Nintendo wise. There are just to many non gamers that think they are cool by buying a PSP.

Far to many!

[Koopa Troopa]

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The thing is Teenagers and 20 somethings will want to be cool so they will buy the PSP no matter at what price. I like the technology of the DS but even I can see the PSP is gonna squash anything Nintendo wise. There are just to many non gamers that think they are cool by buying a PSP.

Far to many!

How many of them do you honestly think can afford the PSP? Maybe the "twenty somethings." The rest have to go through a parent, and any parent with half a brain and an average income will shoot the PSP down without giving it a second.

The PSPs biggest market will be with the same people who upgrade their PCs twice a year.    

[Pikkcuber]

Sadly this is how it will work.  The typical ps2 gamer (im being a big sterotyper here but most ps2 people i know are like this) doesnt do there research on what platform is better and will buy a psp just because they like the ps2, just like we will buy the DS.  But not everybody will be able to afford the psp and we will have a close race between the ds and psp.  

[joeamis]

I want the PSP over the DS and in no way is it because I want to be cool or look cool.  That has 0% on my choice.  It's about the games and the technology.  I'll probably buy both though because the DS will have some great games and innovative concepts.  Anyways the DS is not going to destroy the PSP.  Everything about the PSP is better except the 2nd screen and stylus (hardware wise) and it's sleeker and looking alot more impressive aesthetically than the DS even though it's not going to be released as soon as the DS (which says alot).  The added benefit of watching full length movies and music only sweetens the deal.  The 1.8 gb of memory per game is a huge plus over the DS 128 mb capacity and will result in better sound, textures, cinemas, colors, longer games, etc etc.
Check out the article PSP vs DS here: PSP vs DS

[areefer]

Well the thing is ever since the sp came out Nintendo has had a major "cool" factor with it and like I said before the final ds will be nicer lookin I'm sure, not to mention the head start, just pull up numbers from all the past versions of gameboy at launch and you'll get the picture if you're still doubting the impact ds will have. And you talk about the average gamer buying the psp because it's "cool" please, when the average gamer sees two screens and the fact it closes and opens to "protect" those two beautiful screens case is closed.

I used to work for cingular and one thing I can tell about consumers, if a flip phone was cheaper than a regular one and they both had color even though the regular might have a better dispaly guess which one they're gonna buy?

Last but not least just watch how the popularity of the ds increases as launch draws near and compound that with the gap between it and the psp and alot of those waiting on the psp are going to see to one too many happy ds owners, hear one too many statements about how great the ds is among the in crowds, and see one too many ds commercials and to seal the deal it's cheaper too!!!  

[joeamis]

I'm sorry buy the things you're stating all sound to be reflections of fanboyism.  Either system can look "cooler".  The PSP is very sleek, huge screen for its size, folks at IGN say the screen rivals laptops, can see the disc running from the back of the unit, and they say it feels "just right".  The DS has 2 screens and a stylus, equally "cool" in some eyes or more cool in others, and vice versa for each system.

A flip phone is not a good comparison to gaming consoles.  People buy the phone for durability, while people buy the consoles based on the games.  A person is not going to buy a console with inferior games just because it flips closed.  Besides Sony could make a protector for their screen too, but from indications so far they really don't need to because it's not a factor unless you intentionally throw it and hit the screen directly with something hard and sharp.

Finally the DS and PSP will launch at almost the same time in Japan.  The DS will have less than 6 months lead time ahead of the PSP elsewhere.  With the GBA getting cheaper by that time, the DS is not going to get a double digit million lead on the PSP (which is what it would need to pull a marketshare similar to PS2 over GC into the portable arena).

[areefer]

Well as you try to pick holes in my comments you seems to over-look the fact sony is trying to do what others have failed to do at a time when gameboy is hotter than ever plus game content will be a huge reason many will flock to ds (remember it's compatible with the millions of gb'ers libraries out there already) and before as you mention durability Nintendo has always exceled there and last but not least price.  

[Rhoq]

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Originally posted by: HereticPB
The thing is Teenagers and 20 somethings will want to be cool so they will buy the PSP no matter at what price. I like the technology of the DS but even I can see the PSP is gonna squash anything Nintendo wise. There are just to many non gamers that think they are cool by buying a PSP.

Far to many!

I'm 28 years old. I plan to buy the NDS. I have absolutely no interest in the PSP. Price is certainly not the determining factor (I can afford the PSP), I have always been a loyal Nintendo fan and although I am a bit disappointed this generation, I have faith that the "Big N" will be back on top very soon. I don't care about being able to play MP3s. I hate they way MP3s sound, and being the co-owner of a record label (Total Kaos Records), I hate everyhting that MP3s stand for. The technology behind the DS is more innovative than Sony's handheld and it will give me an opportunity to revisit many exellent games from what I consider the greatest console of all time (the N64).

[areefer]

It's funny more has been said pro-psp regarding the look of the system versus the games, people should learn that having 99 devs say yes we're making psp games means nothing if those games aren't new and exciting plus most of those games may be playable elsewhere besides psp plus some devs may pull support if psp is slow out the gate and I just don't see that happening with ds.

There have been millions waiting on a "new" gameboy ever since the sp because Nintendo hinted a long time ago that they were "working" on a new one and I doubt all the playstationers (such as myself) are ready to go portable just cause sony has an expensive new toy.

[Ian Sane]

"The added benefit of watching full length movies and music only sweetens the deal."

That's not a benefit.  You have to buy all of your movies in a format that is only supported by the PSP.  It's not a feature it's a scam to push one of Sony's proprietary formats.

[Darc Requiem]

Yeah I said it before and I repeat it. The PSP is worthless. I mean if you don't have a PS2 I guess it would be useful but if you do. You are going to be buying nearly identical games twice. On top of that, you have to buy all you favorite movies a second time. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this scam for what it is.

Darc Requiem

[areefer]

I add f-zero and excitebike to the list of ds games, now what could sony possibly bring that would rival the big N's line-up?

[Koopa Troopa]

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Yeah I said it before and I repeat it. The PSP is worthless. I mean if you don't have a PS2 I guess it would be useful but if you do. You are going to be buying nearly identical games twice. On top of that, you have to buy all you favorite movies a second time. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this scam for what it is.

Indeed, and then there is the little problem of being able to watch only one movie before recharging, since the PSP will have to stream ALOT of data.

The only thing appealing about PSP is the wide screen, and that is almost inconsequential to be perfectly honest.  

[KDR_11k]

areefer: That's POTENTIAL games. How about we look at the games announced so far? Because it seems like Square-Enix is going to Nintendo this time.

In some other thread there was a link to an article by gameindustry.biz, where they said that the positive feedback comes mainly from people who actually used the device, while people who have only seen pictures of both are favouring the PSP.

[areefer]

All I'm saying is that Nintendo has many franchises to call upon which will gurantee the ds's success and since connectivity is going to be a big focus (all gameboy fans will rejoice at no more link cable) the multi-player aspect and the " need a ds cause my friend has one" factor is going sell millions of ds's just like every other gameboy!!!

[joeamis]

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It's funny more has been said pro-psp regarding the look of the system versus the games, people should learn that having 99 devs say yes we're making psp games means nothing if those games aren't new and exciting plus most of those games may be playable elsewhere besides psp plus some devs may pull support if psp is slow out the gate and I just don't see that happening with ds.

There have been millions waiting on a "new" gameboy ever since the sp because Nintendo hinted a long time ago that they were "working" on a new one and I doubt all the playstationers (such as myself) are ready to go portable just cause sony has an expensive new toy.

You should learn then that you touting the DS as having 100 developers is subject to the same exact deal you state for the PSP.  It means nothing if those DS games aren't new and exciting plus most of those games may be playable elsewhere besides DS plus some devs may pull support if DS games don't sell as well as the PSP versions.  I just took your comment and applied it to the DS because the DS is subject to that same exact proposition.  Just cause sony has an expensive new toy???  SAME DEAL with the DS, it's an expensive new toy.....  

There will be so many people buying the PSP just from those who also own a PS1 or PS2, and with so huge an installed base on those systems they're looking at big sales.  Anytime a device allows you more features it is a plus.  Arguing that movies and music on the PSP is a scam is just ridiculous.  It would be a scam if they charged you the price of the music or movies for more than they our on other formats, which they won't.  I guess watching movies on GBA is a scam too right?  They just allowed Majesco to do it and sold rights to Nintendo cartoons because they want to push their proprietary cartridges right?  It had nothing to do with providing consumers with more goods and entertainment right?  

Why do you think more has been said regarding the look of the PSP than the games so far?  It's simple it's because it looks 10 times better than people said it would.  The system isn't due out for a long time, they don't have lots of games up on it yet.  So logically if the games aren't made yet, then you focus on what IS there.  It's perfect logical sense.  

You say you're going to end up buying identical games twice for PSP.  What do you think you will be doing with DS?  Gameboy Advance is the port machine of all time, and the DS already has many games that are variations on existing games.  What does it mean that the DS specs are so close to the N64's?  It means you will see ports and remakes of N64 games.  You keep saying things that are appliable to BOTH portables.  Why are you making a double standard???  

Finally how can Sony top N lineup?  Third party games & 3rd party exclusives.  The PSP will have more developers signed on when it launches than the DS will have had.  It's due out roughly 6 months after the DS and it already has as many developers as the DS.  Someone said Square Enix is more towards the DS.  I wouldn't say so.  The games they announced are all remakes, or sequels of non prolific titles.  Meanwhile they're releasing the brand new FF7 AC movie on PSP and no doubt new Final Fantasy's and remakes of old FF's.

[Bill Aurion]

Square-Enix has said publically that they are waiting to see where Sony takes the PSP before giving it any support...That there is a pretty big blow to Sony, thus far, especially when Squenix has 3 titles in the works for the DS...

[areefer]

One thing that puzzles me greatly (thus the reason for my double standard) is that Nintendo already HAS millions of handheld customers, many of which have supprted them from the first gameboy (such as myself) so what about the psp is going to make all of us gameboy'ers jump ship? For me the answer is nothing and I fully believe many playstation'ers are wondering like me why is sony going portable anyways since all other gameboy challengers have failed.

I've owned a playstation, and have a playstation 2 and own many sony products from radio's to computers and my view is that everyone has their niche so if I heard Nintendo was making a computer as much as I would like to see them succeed I'd also be the first to say WHY? and not expect them to blossom in that arena as well as they have with videogames unless they shifted the company as a whole and pushed gaming to the backburners.

By that same token I have never felt sony was as good of a gaming company as Nintendo (the only reason I as well as many others bought a ps1 was because of the year and a half wait for N64 and the ps2 as well had a year lead) so I hold Nintendo and sony to different standards in my book because Nintendo has continued to take the gaming industry foward all these years in the home AND on the go and while sony has become a mainstay in the living rooms I doubt they'll do the same portabilty wise unless they bring a portable out at least 6 months BEFORE Nintendo does. Just my opinion.  

[joeamis]

what will cause people to jump ship from GBA to PSP?  Numerous things come into play.  The PSP has much stronger hardware under it's hood resulting in better looking games, better sound, better AI, and more content due to memory.  The other thing to consider is that noone thought Sony would challenge Nintendo before the PS1 was released and it stole the crown from Nintendo and took all the marketshare.  The PS2 continued that trend exponentionally with less of a headstart than the PS1 had.  And the PS2 took on two strong competitors.  Now they got the PSP and for the first time they have the stronger hardware.  

Comparing Sony to all the other competitors who tried to go portable is a stalemate.  All the other competitors either completely failed on the hardware front or the software front with their systems.  Sony has proven they can succeed in both of those areas with the success of the PS1 & PS2 dominating.  They've got legitimate hardware (not some paltry Ngage, Wonderswan, Tyko Game.com, etc) and they've got legitimate software (not some Atari Lynx, Neo Geo Pocket, to a lesser extent Game Gear).  The other portable competitor simply dropped the ball completely and for the first time two portables will be releasing within 6 months of eachother which never happened to the GB.

As for the SquareEnix deal with PSP support.  Sony owns a portion of Square, Square has been loyal to Sony for almost a decade now, and they're releasing FF7AC on the UMD which they didn't talor it or plan it for.  As I stated earlier the 3 games they announced for DS are either sequels to non-prolific games or remake/port/rehash in reference to their FFCC for DS.  They're still in bed with Sony and I have no doubt in my mind that they will release a true new FF for PSP, remakes of the best FF's, a true Dragonquest game, and other original titles.

[Crono]

well im kinda goin off the subject and all but was that model of the ds at e3 a prototype because i dont like how it looks very much not a big deal im gonna buy 1 anyways but nintendo just didnt do as well as i thought they wouldo on the design hopefully they change it a bit.

[Koopa Troopa]

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There will be so many people buying the PSP just from those who also own a PS1 or PS2, and with so huge an installed base on those systems they're looking at big sales. Anytime a device allows you more features it is a plus. Arguing that movies and music on the PSP is a scam is just ridiculous. It would be a scam if they charged you the price of the music or movies for more than they our on other formats, which they won't. I guess watching movies on GBA is a scam too right? They just allowed Majesco to do it and sold rights to Nintendo cartoons because they want to push their proprietary cartridges right? It had nothing to do with providing consumers with more goods and entertainment right?

There will be SOME people who buy PSP because of the PS1/2, however you continually neglect the PSPs atrocious price tag and even casual gamers aren't that stupid or wealthy.  The PSP won't flop, but it won't do much else either.

And the movie player is a scam and in no way comparable to the GBA since the GBA was NEVER intended to play movies. The PSP is meant to play movies and has chosen a proprietary format instead of a mainstream format, what this means is rebuying movies to play them on a device that is meant to play movies yet neglects one's current collection.

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Finally how can Sony top N lineup? Third party games & 3rd party exclusives. The PSP will have more developers signed on when it launches than the DS will have had. It's due out roughly 6 months after the DS and it already has as many developers as the DS. Someone said Square Enix is more towards the DS. I wouldn't say so. The games they announced are all remakes, or sequels of non prolific titles. Meanwhile they're releasing the brand new FF7 AC movie on PSP and no doubt new Final Fantasy's and remakes of old FF's.

It won't have more devleopers. You fail to keep in mind that the PSP has been old news for well over a year(even older if you're a developer). The DS on the other hand is a much more recent development.

As for Squenix, your arguments are pretty much baseless. Yeah the games announced so far are not from the cash cows (FFTraditional/Dragon Quest), but it is more than has been announced for the PSP and considering they're ONLY LAUNCH titles I'm impressed to see so many. I couldn't be any less impressed with FFAC being on the PSP, big deal, it isn't a game and it isn't particularly difficult to get onto the PSP.

"The games they announced are all remakes"

"Meanwhile they're releasing the brand new FF7 AC movie on PSP and no doubt new Final Fantasy's and remakes of old FF's."

ROFLMAO. Nice.

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what will cause people to jump ship from GBA to PSP? Numerous things come into play. The PSP has much stronger hardware under it's hood resulting in better looking games, better sound, better AI, and more content due to memory. The other thing to consider is that noone thought Sony would challenge Nintendo before the PS1 was released and it stole the crown from Nintendo and took all the marketshare. The PS2 continued that trend exponentionally with less of a headstart than the PS1 had. And the PS2 took on two strong competitors. Now they got the PSP and for the first time they have the stronger hardware.

Bigger hardware = bigger price. If you're going to continue to argue this point you need to include the fact that the PSP is almost surely going to cost 150% more than the DS and 200+% more than the GBA.

Also the PS1/2 is no indication here, both systems had a one+ year head start on Nintendo, a luxury the PSP will not have.

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As for the SquareEnix deal with PSP support. Sony owns a portion of Square, Square has been loyal to Sony for almost a decade now, and they're releasing FF7AC on the UMD which they didn't talor it or plan it for. As I stated earlier the 3 games they announced for DS are either sequels to non-prolific games or remake/port/rehash in reference to their FFCC for DS. They're still in bed with Sony and I have no doubt in my mind that they will release a true new FF for PSP, remakes of the best FF's, a true Dragonquest game, and other original titles.

Again, completely baseless. Sony own SO LITTLE of Squenix it doesn't even come into play. FFAC is no indication either, IT ISN'T A FRIGGIN GAME.

And Square is loyal to the almighty dollar, not to Sony, of that I assure you.

[areefer]

Thanx koopa for backing me up and I'm just wondering how many doing the psp talk will take half or all their check and do the psp walk!!!

[joeamis]

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There will be so many people buying the PSP just from those who also own a PS1 or PS2, and with so huge an installed base on those systems they're looking at big sales. Anytime a device allows you more features it is a plus. Arguing that movies and music on the PSP is a scam is just ridiculous. It would be a scam if they charged you the price of the music or movies for more than they our on other formats, which they won't. I guess watching movies on GBA is a scam too right? They just allowed Majesco to do it and sold rights to Nintendo cartoons because they want to push their proprietary cartridges right? It had nothing to do with providing consumers with more goods and entertainment right?

There will be SOME people who buy PSP because of the PS1/2, however you continually neglect the PSPs atrocious price tag and even casual gamers aren't that stupid or wealthy.  The PSP won't flop, but it won't do much else either.

And the movie player is a scam and in no way comparable to the GBA since the GBA was NEVER intended to play movies. The PSP is meant to play movies and has chosen a proprietary format instead of a mainstream format, what this means is rebuying movies to play them on a device that is meant to play movies yet neglects one's current collection.

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Finally how can Sony top N lineup? Third party games & 3rd party exclusives. The PSP will have more developers signed on when it launches than the DS will have had. It's due out roughly 6 months after the DS and it already has as many developers as the DS. Someone said Square Enix is more towards the DS. I wouldn't say so. The games they announced are all remakes, or sequels of non prolific titles. Meanwhile they're releasing the brand new FF7 AC movie on PSP and no doubt new Final Fantasy's and remakes of old FF's.

It won't have more devleopers. You fail to keep in mind that the PSP has been old news for well over a year(even older if you're a developer). The DS on the other hand is a much more recent development.

As for Squenix, your arguments are pretty much baseless. Yeah the games announced so far are not from the cash cows (FFTraditional/Dragon Quest), but it is more than has been announced for the PSP and considering they're ONLY LAUNCH titles I'm impressed to see so many. I couldn't be any less impressed with FFAC being on the PSP, big deal, it isn't a game and it isn't particularly difficult to get onto the PSP.

"The games they announced are all remakes"

"Meanwhile they're releasing the brand new FF7 AC movie on PSP and no doubt new Final Fantasy's and remakes of old FF's."

ROFLMAO. Nice.

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what will cause people to jump ship from GBA to PSP? Numerous things come into play. The PSP has much stronger hardware under it's hood resulting in better looking games, better sound, better AI, and more content due to memory. The other thing to consider is that noone thought Sony would challenge Nintendo before the PS1 was released and it stole the crown from Nintendo and took all the marketshare. The PS2 continued that trend exponentionally with less of a headstart than the PS1 had. And the PS2 took on two strong competitors. Now they got the PSP and for the first time they have the stronger hardware.

Bigger hardware = bigger price. If you're going to continue to argue this point you need to include the fact that the PSP is almost surely going to cost 150% more than the DS and 200+% more than the GBA.

Also the PS1/2 is no indication here, both systems had a one+ year head start on Nintendo, a luxury the PSP will not have.

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As for the SquareEnix deal with PSP support. Sony owns a portion of Square, Square has been loyal to Sony for almost a decade now, and they're releasing FF7AC on the UMD which they didn't talor it or plan it for. As I stated earlier the 3 games they announced for DS are either sequels to non-prolific games or remake/port/rehash in reference to their FFCC for DS. They're still in bed with Sony and I have no doubt in my mind that they will release a true new FF for PSP, remakes of the best FF's, a true Dragonquest game, and other original titles.

Again, completely baseless. Sony own SO LITTLE of Squenix it doesn't even come into play. FFAC is no indication either, IT ISN'T A FRIGGIN GAME.

And Square is loyal to the almighty dollar, not to Sony, of that I assure you.

PSP's atrocious price tag?? HELLLLLLOOOOO HELLLLLOOOOO NOONE FROM EITHER COMPANY HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUSSSSSSSSS
Why do you think they chose a proprietary medium?  Not because they want you to have to pay extra money for movies!!!  It's for completely different issues like piracy, etc.  GC uses proprietary and I guess that's just super ok compared to Sony doing the same thing...
The PSP is only old news on when it was announced that it would be made!  The DS is closer to being released, therefor they're closer to having games ready.....  You cut my quote short man and changed it!!!!! THIS is what I said: "They're still in bed with Sony and I have no doubt in my mind that they will release a true new FF for PSP, remakes of the best FF's, a true Dragonquest game, and other original titles."  Good way to make your points by changing what my points were into something else.  Now tell me this how is PSP going to cost 150% more than DS when noone has said anything about the prices???  Completely baseless HA, they don't own so little that it doesn't even come into play, who do you think owns the rest of the company?  just those that work for them?  no, it's called shareholders.  It doesn't matter that FF7AC is not a game!  It's still software for their hardware and will help influence other companies to release movies for their hardware!!!

[areefer]

One thing you keep over-looking is the price versus bells and whistles because that's what the consumer wants to know, back when  ps2 came out it having a dvd player built in meant something to people but the media for psp to play movies isn't mainstream and won't mean jack to many so even though psp is more powerful than ds on a portable machine it's not as important and at launch existing gba owners can simply buy a ds and already have an established game collection to get them started plus I'm sure we'll see many stores that do trade ins getting  sp's toward the cost of of upgrade to the ds.

It seems sony forgot that portable gaming is different that home-console gaming, but I forgot the original ps was originally a joint project between Nintendo and sony so the ps2 is really the only video-game system they have under their belt till now and we all know how it stacks up tech wise to the gamecube!!!