Author Topic: More insanity from George Lucas (Read 14544 times)

Ian Sane · « **on:** May 19, 2004, 10:50:34 AM »

Okay most of us are aware that the Star Wars trilogy is coming out on DVD this year and that it will only be the Special Editions instead of the theatrical cuts. As bad as that it is rumour has it that George Lucas' revisionist history fetish is going to take it a step further and change even MORE stuff for this release.

I haven't read far enough into this thread so I don't know if it's revealed to be a fake but check this out.

If that's a real pic not only am I not buying this DVD set I'm tempted to systematically burn down every retail store in my area to prevent others from buying it.

Scary stuff, no?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:19:18 AM »

That rumor has been going around for a loooooong time, and is completely false. Believe me, if Lucas were filming new segments for the DVD release we'd all know about.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:27:31 AM »

Has this pic been proven fake or is it just assumed to be? I've been looking around and it turns out this is likely a shot from another special edition that's going to be released in a few years. That's a relief though I think Lucas is being a greedy f*ckhead for releasing the special editions when he knows he's going to release super special versions later.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:32:08 AM »

How could it be anything BUT a fake? It's obvious if you ask me.

And if Lucas wanted to be really greedy, he could have waited for the DVD release until Ep. 3 was out and had a sextology set.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2004, 12:45:40 PM »

OMG WHY IS TINY TIM STANDING WITH JODA AND BEN-BEN?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:01:05 PM »

O_O

Oh God, if that were true......

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:57:18 PM »

If that pic was to be any more realistic/valid, the guy on the left should have a mullet.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2004, 02:12:03 PM »

"If that pic was to be any more realistic/valid, the guy on the left should have a mullet."

No you see that would make some sense. Replacing only one of the characters with their younger self and not the other two is the exact sort of stupid sh!t George Lucas would do.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2004, 02:52:33 PM »

Apparently, there's an explanation for the reason why 'Episode 3' Anakin is standing there instead of Sebastian Shaw Anakin.
The Force.Net says that " The years in the Dark Side don't age the Jedi's spirit form".

These are rumours. Nothing more. But at least this one made more sense than the rumours that Natalie Portman's Padme was making an appearence in spirt form in Return of the Jedi.
But still, it's really confusing as to why someone (Lucas?) would even think about changing the movies AGAIN. Now I didn't mind the Special Editions at all, but this is going too far.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:30:33 AM »

I don't even recognize those guys... If you asked me I'd say that's a hobbit from LotR

The Omen · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2004, 12:38:22 PM »

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How could it be anything BUT a fake? It's obvious if you ask me.

And if Lucas wanted to be really greedy, he could have waited for the DVD release until Ep. 3 was out and had a sextology set.

And he will do that, in edition to this trilogy set. Lucas is nothing more than a blubbering idiot. He co-wrote the best movie in the series, and didn't even direct it.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2004, 05:29:15 PM »

The pic is real. That's how the scene is going to look on DVDs.

The reason why Anakin's ghost appears young has to do with something that happens in EIII. Apparently Anakin will die in the duel with Obi-Wan, but he will be resurrected by the Dark Side as a soulless monster ala Frankenstein's Monster. It isn't until he turns back to the Light Side in Jedi that his soul is able to become one with the Force, hence why his spirit appears young.

There's also a few other changes too.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2004, 08:16:09 PM »

"but he will be resurrected by the Dark Side as a soulless monster ala Frankenstein's Monster."

If anybody does not think this film will suck they are insane. That COMPLETELY ruins the Darth Vader character. I always assumed that he CHOSE to embrace the dark side and then repented at the end of his life. The cyborg body is only a result of him being seriously injured and thus needing a new body. That is a very positive storyline and it ties in really well with the religious theme of the Jedi. If he dies and is then resurrected as a monster it totally kills that character because he was then turned evil against his will. It's important for him to choose to embrace evil and then choose again to return to good. Plus instead of the new body symbolizing his change from good to evil it literally is his change. Subtlety? What's that?

Lucas is such a hack. Clearly it was a total fluke that Star Wars was any good. It's like everything I love about the original trilogy was an accident and was not what Lucas envisioned.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:32:32 AM »

Imagine how Luke (Skywalker

) would have reacted when he sees their three spirits there at the end of RotJ, but instead of the Anakin he saw when he took Vader's mask off, he sees a guy thats younger than he is - thats meant to be his father.
I don't know about you, but I'd be like 'Who the hell is this dipsh*t?"

Hayden Christensen's resemblance to Mark Hamill is quite remarkable, though.

oohhboy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 21, 2004, 06:31:56 AM »

You got to be kinding me. He looks nothing like Mark Hamill. At this point I am not even sure I would want to go watch the third episode.

That picture has finally broken the magic that was in the Star Wars movies. I can only hope GL doesn't go and edit the books too. If he does, I wouldn't mind chipping in to take him out.

Hayden Christensen can go join GL in the Hack Club.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2004, 06:53:17 AM »

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"but he will be resurrected by the Dark Side as a soulless monster ala Frankenstein's Monster."

I always assumed that he CHOSE to embrace the dark side and then repented at the end of his life.

Uh yeah, that's still how it works. Just because he doesn't have a soul doesn't mean he's mindless and can't make moral decisions. By the time he's fighting with Obi-Wan he will already have made the decision to join the Dark Side and become Sidious'' Sith apprentice. In fact the reason why he joins the Dark Side is to cheat death. Remember that whole thing in EII about how he's going to learn how to keep people from dying? He also still makes the decision to sacrifice his life to save his son. In fact this will now be a bigger deal, since only the Dark Side of the Force is keeping him alive, and he knows that once he turns back to the Light Side he's a goner.

Anyway all of that stuff I said is just unconfirmed rumor at this point. No one's entirely sure why George has decided that Anakin's ghost will be played by Hayden. It's supposed to be explained in EIII though.

There's also the possibility that Anakin simply choses to appear that way to Luke. Maybe he wants to give Luke the chance to see him the way he was before he turned to the Dark Side and became a broken, scarred, old man. It worked just fine in Field of Dreams, when the ghost of the main character's father appeared to him as a young man. Also there's really no point to saying Luke won't recognize him, because Sebastian Shaw looked completely different as a ghost than he did in the unmasking scene as well. In fact I've heard quite a few times about people not even realizing who that third ghost was.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:35:45 AM »

"Also there's really no point to saying Luke won't recognize him, because Sebastian Shaw looked completely different as a ghost than he did in the unmasking scene as well."

Yeah he didn't have all the make-up on. OH NO I can't recognize him now. Anyone who couldn't recognize who the third ghost was is an idiot. It's played by the same actor and everything. And obviously Luke would be able to tell who it is since he just saw the guy's face a few hours ago. He's never even seen a picture of his father as a young man so he probably would have much more difficulty recognizing him in that form.

Plus this whole "he died when he was young" stuff doesn't make any sense. He died in front of Luke shortly after being unmasked and at that point he had gone back to the light side. Thus he should still be an old man in ghost form.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2004, 08:00:03 AM »

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He's never even seen a picture of his father as a young man so he probably would have much more difficulty recognizing him in that form.

Luke's not stupid. I'm sure he could figure it out. Who the hell else is it going to be? Plus, there's that whole feeling things through the Force thing, so I'm sure he'll pick up on his dad's vibes or whatever.

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Plus this whole "he died when he was young" stuff doesn't make any sense. He died in front of Luke shortly after being unmasked and at that point he had gone back to the light side. Thus he should still be an old man in ghost form.

Well, you completely missed the point. When he dies in EIII he loses his soul. He does not get it back when he is resurrected because cheating death is a Dark Side thing and not the natural way of the Force. Yoda tells Luke in EVI when referring to his own death, "That is the way of things. The way of the Force." That's why I brought up Frankenstein, because he isn't really brought back to life but simply reanimated. It's kind of a big thing in Frankenstein, at least in the movies, about how The Monster doesn't have a soul because he was brought to life in an unnatural way outside of god's order and such. Basically all those years as Vader end up being void once he turns back to the Light Side.

That's about the simplest way I can put. Of course like I said earlier, not even the insiders are 100% certain why the change is being made.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2004, 08:33:42 AM »

I guess that makes sense but it's confusing and I imagine a lot of people are going to be confused by it. The original ending didn't need to be explained, it just made sense.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:08:42 AM »

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I guess that makes sense but it's confusing and I imagine a lot of people are going to be confused by it. The original ending didn't need to be explained, it just made sense.

Are you sure about that? I mean, one of the biggest mysteries about the Star Wars movies is how a Jedi vanishes and becomes one with the Force. There's also the fact that Anakin's ghost didn't look exactly like he did when he died in the original version anyway. He didn't have any of his scars, wasn't bald, and wasn't missing any limbs. Sure, we understood it was Anakin, but we've never understood exactly how this Force ghost thing works, which is supposed to be explained in EIII.

Anyway, from what I'm hearing this will be cleared up in EIII, and I wouldn't be surprised if George explains it on the Return of the Jedi commentary track.

Just be patient with this whole thing. If George doesn't explain it or his reasoning is stupid, then get pissed off. Until then, just calm down.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:41:17 AM »

Well I can explain the "non-scarred body" problem like so: it's the body that receives these scars, not the soul...

oohhboy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 22, 2004, 05:16:11 AM »

I guess they are going to go ruin that to? They already messed up with that Midichloriane thing which blow the living day lights out of the force. Now they are going to try to explain this. Some one kill him for the love of god...

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #22 on:** May 22, 2004, 07:16:14 AM »

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I guess they are going to go ruin that to?

Are you talking about the Force ghost thing? George has been saying for years that he would explain that in the prequels.

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They already messed up with that Midichloriane thing which blow the living day lights out of the force.

How?

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Some one kill him for the love of god...

You're an idiot. If you don't like George or the changes, don't f@cking buy the DVDs or watch the prequels.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2004, 02:20:27 AM »

Without the idea of te midiclorians or however you spell em, there wouldn't be the order of the jedi, therefore the whole point would have been confusing in itself.
Obi-wan's explanation (in A New Hope) was cool and mysterious, which was ok for something that couldn't really be explained at the time, but I rather liked what Qui-Gon said about it. It still has that mystcal element to it and makes lots of sense.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2004, 09:38:29 AM »

Yeah, it didn't destroy the Force in the least bit. Midichlorians are just a medium through which the Force communicates with the being. The Force itself is still mysterious. I don't know where people got this idea that Midichlorians=The Force.

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Author Topic: More insanity from George Lucas (Read 14544 times)