Topic: DS Titles - Official

[BR_Simba]

I personally see no competition. PSP is an experiment, DS is a phenomenon in the making, but I wanna hear what other people think.

[jasonditz]

Unless the PSP is priced at $250 or less or the DS is over $200, as a stockholder in nintendo I'm not worried.

[jasonditz]

Unless the PSP is priced at $250 or less or the DS is over $200, as a stockholder in nintendo I'm not worried.

"The PSP will not be able to display anything that you cannot do on a current system." - Shigeru Miyamoto

[Gamecubivore]

I think as far as gameplay goes the DS will be vastly superior. . .

As for sales. I think people are downplaying that the PSP will likely have great mainstream appeal. Sony is very "cool" these days and people are pretty into multi-functionality.

But the price will hold it back I believe and it looks like Nintendo is already stealing alot of attention from it. I believe it will do well enough but it is likely the DS will do considerablly better. . . but if Sony suprises us with the pricing then I believe there will be a very close battle.

My guess.

[Gamecubivore]

EDIT: Sorry. Double-post.

[Griffin]

It pretty much does come down to pricing, for the average consumer. I do believe the PSP will do well just because it's from the makers of the PSX, however if it has the price tag that most people are saying it's going to be, then the DS could very easily beat it. In either case, I'm getting a DS, no doubt about it...even if it was obvious it wouldn't take off (which I firmly believe it will be VERY popular now), I would still buy one...heck, I even have a Virtual Boy If the PSP is as pricey as I've heard...meh, my money is better spent elsewhere....like DS games.

[davidlow122]

PSP looks like the Atari Lynx: Similar size, more powerful then current handhelds, short battery life (they actually admit 2.5 hours battery life).

Why it will fail (using reasons other handhelds have failed):

It's too big.

The battery life is too short.

It will be uncomfortable to hold (like the original GBA, the weight of a 'lengthways' handheld is too far from your palms)

It will cost too much (most say US$400)

The Screen is exposed, so it will scratch (for that price, this is inexcusable)

Man, Sony have just handed Nintendo another 15 years of handheld dominance. Imagine them making the same mistakes as ATARI?

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!  

[DrZoidberg]

I was mostly disapointed with Sony's presentation of it at their press conference, they didn't seem very excited about it at all. I mean geez, the thing that got the biggest responce was the trailer for Advent (blol callender, lol infernal) Children not a very good sign. Still things can change, they won't be on shelves for another 6ish months yet.

[yellowfellow]

Metal Gear? Gran Turismo? on PSP??? what's wrong with putting these on home consoles...?
this is NOT what i wanted to see... these types of games belong on sit on your couch, feet up, sound system blarring, lights dimmed, atmosphere... NOT standing on a bus, fat guy looking over your shoulder, bumpy road, traffic atmosphere...
wtF! i understand Sony needs some killer apps on the system to get it noticed but it really does mark the beginning of the end to good wholesome travelling games (and to 2D)

[Nile Boogie]

When you look @ what they can do at the moment its seems the DS has the edge but not a super big egde.

Sony PSP:
It's Sony therefore certain folks will flock no matter what:
I think its a bit more sexy than the DS:
It will be more powerful than DS(although Metriod Hunters looks great):
Cell Phone
Movie Playback mpeg-4
Wi-Fi
larger game space 1.8gigs(gamecube size games)

Nintendo DS:
It's Nintendo so people will flock to it
Backwards compatible will 1500 Gameboy and GBA games
Two Screens
Touch screen
Movie Playback Mpeg-2 via GBA slot
Lan and Wi-Fi
Voice Chat
Price

There are other spec about both systems that I dont know off hand. The DS needs to get a tad more sexy in terms of design and luanch with a very decent titles list and I belive it will be a juggernuat. Sony however will be its biggest challenge yet.

[Bill Aurion]

The DS has a HUGE advantage when it comes to actual GAMING...In terms of it, the DS can do what the PSP can do, but with much, much more...I was about even with the two when they were both announced, but now?  DS gets my money, and the PSP gets a big red "FAILURE" stamp on its forehead...

[couchmonkey]

I think the PSP will take some of Nintendo's market (and create a considerable new market)  for two reasons:

1.  It has better graphics.  They may or may not be suitable for on-the-go gameplay, but the point is, casual gamers won't care, they'll just see pretty pictures and buy it.

2. Sony is cooler and more mature than Nintendo - or at least that's the perception of the general public.  I think a lot of people who never even thought about owning a Gameboy will buy this system because it's not from Nintendo and most of the big titles are franchises that are already popular with older players.

Having said that, I'm more impressed than ever with DS.  It definitely looks to have some killer aps, and I do think it will be a better handheld system than the PSP - more durable, efficient, and so on.  It's also really unique!  Depending on pricing, I think the DS is going to hold PSP off nicely while Nintendo preps the next "real" Gameboy, but I think Sony is going to create a new handheld market among older, casual gamers and it will probably stay in the handheld game for more than one generation.

[KDR_11k]

I think the PSP looks like crap. More exactly like a cheap plastic toy (like the PS2). The DS in contrast looks like something serious, something that can take a beating, something a businessman could use. It looks like an organizer or a personal translator.

Both devices are huge, I don't know which is larger (GSI gave the measurements of the DS in INCH, how is one supposed to work with that scale?), but they seem to be about equal.
The PSP can live 10 hours if the screen and probably the drive are disabled (MP3 playback, probably from memory stick), only 2.5 if you're streaming a video (or playing a disk intensive game?). Even if Square Enix went with the PSP for being able to throw in prerendered videos, noone would want to play their games if the cutscenes outlast the battery. "Well, yes, it's called a portable, but I can only play Final Fantasy Portable at home if I want to make it to the next savepoint before the battery runs out".

The PSP has much more RAM than the DS. It's going to need that, with those UMDs it can't do streaming. At least not if you're not attached to an outlet.

I wonder which one has a longer battery life: NGage or PSP?

[Ian Sane]

Right now I'm digging the DS but I'm a Nintendo fan so what do you expect?  However one of the reasons for that is that we know more about it's games.  We haven't even seen a PSP game being run on PSP hardware.  Sony is showing us an emulator while Nintendo has playable DS units on the E3 floor that are being played as we speak (I mean type, whatever).

I don't think we know enough to make any sort of predictions yet.  We still don't know the battery life of the DS (though it's got to be better than 2.5 hours) or even really what battery it uses.  I assume it's like the SP but I don't think they have officially revealed it.  Neither price has been officially announced, only speculated on.  Obviously price makes a huge difference.

And then there's all sorts of issues that we only know about after reading some hands-on reports.  I want to know about the ergonomics, and how durable the hardware is.  If there are any flaws in either design the makers sure as hell aren't going to point them out.  We need some impressions from an independent source.  One thing I want to know is how GBA games handle on the DS.  What are the controls mapped to?  Which screen is used?  How do GBC and GB games handle.  It's just too early to really make the call.

However I agree that the DS has an advantage in that any game that makes full use of the DS hardware cannot be made on the PSP.

[KDR_11k]

Nintendo claimed ten hours of battery life, AFAIK. Sounds realistic, the device might eat more than the SP, but it's twice as large and can hold larger betteries.

[- NintendoFan -]

The biggest advantage the DS has over the PSP is the cost. Think about, lets say the cost for the PSP turns out to be around the 400 mark and the DS around 150. I don't think anyone in there right mind would pay 400 for a handheld, for the risk of breaking it, dropping it, etc. At this point in time you can buy all three consoles for the cost of one PSP.

But then again that's just me.

[Pikkcuber]

This is Sonys first trip into the handheld universe it doesnt look like the psp will be great but this is giving sony a start in the market.  Fortunately with nintendos game list for the DS and a new GBA still coming out(which i assume) nintendo will not have to worry to much about sony for a while.  THough they do have some good games coming out,metal gear,GT....  If the PSP does well it will be because it play games, its a phone, it slices, it dices it does abunch of things.  But all that slicing and dicing costs money and a very good perctage of the GBA population are kids whos parents will not pay 300 bucks for a handheld that can be lost easily.

[Smadte]

I'm more interested in the PSP. The screens on the DS are too small and the touchscreen is just a hassle. I really don't want to play games with my hand constantly in the way of the screen. I'll stick to buttons, thankyouverymuch. The screen on the PSP is massive, and I really like that aspect. And the PSP blows DS out of the water when it comes down to graphics capabilities. Niether of the handhelds have any games I'm currently interested in, really, but I still prefer the idea of having a PSP over the DS.

I don't want any fanboy bashing, this is just my view on things. I still love Nintendo games, I just think this DS thing is a mistake.

[mouse_clicker]

Not a fanboy bashing, but I'd reserve judgement on both systems until you play them. I find it odd how you already know you won't like the touch screen despite the fact you've never used one before, certainly not in the context of the DS.

[Smadte]

It doesn't float my boat. The PSP seems like it might. That's all I'm saying.

[Darc Requiem]

The PSP is pointless. I'm mean really what is the point of the PSP. Okay I'm playing PS2 games on a portable system with worse graphics on a smaller screen and wait for it. I'm gonna be constrainted to 2 and 1/2 hours of play time? Please. The PSP isn't any revolution its a retread, its just like the TurboExpress and Sega Nomad. Except with those two handhelds at least you could play the home consoles games on the portable rendition. The PSP will have you buying the same game twice. I mean I don't want to buy GT4 twice. Wow you can bring your PS2 save games over to the PSP version of the game. You know that would be a great idea...if I didn't have to buy the game twice to do it. I mean buying two versions of a game for the GCN/GBA connectivity didn't fly and that was paying $50 for a GC game and $30 for the GBA game. With the glory of the PSP I'd be paying $50 bucks for each version of the game. I'm sorry I will NOT be buying a PSP. I'm sure Sony will be able to sucker quite a few mainstream morons...well if they can get the price to $200. Well I have a party to run off to...I'll continue this rant later.

Darc Requiem

[Chongman]

Holy @$%*@)(#!!!

Wait, wait, wait...

See, the only thing that really scared me about the psp is its graphical prowess. While DS can display some amazing stuff, PSP still blows it out of the water in terms of looks. I suspected the major phenomenal killer app for the PSP would be Metal Gear Acid...................................

And then I hear it's  CARD BASED STRATEGY GAME???

What the hell have they done to my metal gear? Is this true? If so then good God, who in the world is going to buy the psp when the launch title is a card game?

Not that card based strategy games aren't good, its just...it doesn't scream launch title.

[KDR_11k]

The only pro-PSP arguments I've heard so far are big screen, better graphics. Everyone here probably knows the pro DS arguments already.

Me? I'm happy with my GBA, I don't need the PSP. The DS is more interesting because it even gives third-parties a valid reason for exclusives AND those excited devs will probably come out with intersting stuff.

Hell, why am I trying to hide it? All I want is Stunt Hamsters made a full game.

[Bloodworth]

I think the general impression at the show is that the DS is more highly anticipated.  While the PSP may be the handheld equivalent of the PS2, the DS allows a lot of possibilities for new types of games, and for making menu-heavy games like RPGs a lot simpler.  While the touch screen turned out a lot better than I would have thought, I think a lot of people are as equally impressed with the simple multiplayer connections and possibility of voice chat over WiFi.  Heck, me and Ty had a blast with freaking PictoChat -- if Nintendo takes my suggestion and includes that with the system, I think they'll see a huge surge of interest.

As far as better graphics goes, it's not a real issue.  Competing handhelds have always had better graphics than Game Boy, but that hasn't gotten them anywhere.  While the DS isn't quite as jaw-dropping as the PSP, it's a lot better looking than I had expected, and more importantly, it can handle the same type of level designs - and thus the same gameplay.  

I have to admit, while Nintendo has had a lot of wacky quirky things the past few years, this year, they've surprisingly all been worth it.  They're showing off a lot of great demos for the DS.  Odama - the military pinball strategy game - is incredibly fun and challenging.  DK King of Swing is turning out to be a wonderful puzzle game, and DK Jungle Beat is just wild pick-up-and play fun.  

[Hybrid Hunter]

If DS does come out pictochat that would rule, because its such a necessary tool, i mean you could use it for business communications!
PSP only has graphics and i guess some of their games as an advantage.
I know which one i'll be getting.