Ah yeah, how could I forget about Treasure? I'm just thinking too western, I guess!! I'll vote for them, or Camelot, but Camelot seems to be in Nintendo's pocket anyway. Ultimately, though, it looks to me like Nintendo is getting out of the second party business. Most of the second party developers they still have are practically overseas first parties...Retro and NST are mostly or wholly owned by Nintendo, I believe, and they seem to take orders directly from Nintendo. It's too bad, I think, because I liked how second parties had the opportunity to develop unique new franchises for Nintendo's systems.