Author Topic: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough! (Read 18498 times)

Ian Sane · « **Reply #25 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:51:17 AM »

"The color dilemma is the silliest one ever...It's like people think, 'OMG It's purple! Girly color! OMG Don't want to have my cool friends think I'm ***!' It's a person's insecurity that hurts Nintendo, not Nintendo's choice of color..."

A lost sale is a lost sale regardless of how stupid of a reason one chooses not to buy something. I think anyone who cares enough about a colour to not buy a console is stupid and insecure too but that doesn't make a difference. Nintendo shouldn't give anyone an excuse to not buy a Cube even if it's as superficial as what colour is promoted. If everyone thought like you and I do the Cube would be a huge success. But not everyone thinks that way so Nintendo should take that into account. No one wouldn't buy a console because it's black, some wouldn't buy a one because it's purple. It's a no brainer which colour to promote.

The Omen · « **Reply #26 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:20:55 AM »

Come on, Bill, surely you can see the color is a major marketing mistake? I bought the black version, which wasn't even advertised at launch, and so did nearly every other person with me on launch day. Purple didn't make me feel, like, "OMG! I might be a girl!I'm so insecure!" It was stupid marketing. You should promote the most easily accessible option first, which Nintendo obviously doesn't understand.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:30:01 AM »

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Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker (also a good game, but not as good as the RE series)

Oh Christ, I can see we're going to have problems.

If you want a really cool mature game, Killer 7 is coming out in June or something, and that looks wickedly awesome. It'll be the first mature game I'm getting for the Gamecube, as a matter of fact. I considered getting Eternal Darkness, which looks very cool, but my television is a punishment from God and has horrible contrast, making dark games almost impossible to see. So I got Kirby Air Ride instead, which my friends and I love. More than Mario Kart, probably more than F-Zero.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #28 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:54:27 AM »

"I considered getting Eternal Darkness, which looks very cool, but my television is a punishment from God and has horrible contrast, making dark games almost impossible to see."

There is a way to adjust the darkness in ED in the options. You should rent it and see if you can adjust it to something visible on your TV.

GrAyLaN · « **Reply #29 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:07:57 AM »

I demanded the Black GCN. The color purple was a bad marketing idea...no other system has ever come out as purple for the first try! Besides...with all the colors in my room, purple would be an eyesore. My room consists of blues and blacks. Purple just wouldn't do... Never Happening

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #30 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:23:33 AM »

The Super Nintendo was grey with purple highlights.

If you waited 5 or so years, the bottom half becomes spinnach green.

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Ian Sane · « **Reply #31 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:36:29 AM »

"The Super Nintendo was grey with purple highlights."

The Super Nintendo was also the best system ever made, had a sh!tload of exclusive third party releases including Final Fantasy and Street Fighter II, and it's first party lineup is a who's who of the best games of all time. If the Cube was like that the purple colour wouldn't affect anything either.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:41:13 AM »

I think Professional's point was that the Gamecube being purple alone obviously was not a factor, just as it wasn't for the Super Nintendo.

Graylan: No one really cares that you had to get a purple Gamecube instead of black- maybe it'll teach you that color doesn't mean squat.

Also:

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I may actual have to save my money for an X-box or a PS2...and at the age of 15...that'll take a while.

I saved up for almost a year to buy my Gamecube when I was 13. I got a job as a paper boy to buy my PS2 when I was 14. I then saved up to buy a 20" flat screen TV when I was 15. With the exception of only a few, I have personally bought, with my own money all of the close to 40 current generation games I own. I plan to buy myself an XBox sometime soon. All it takes is commitment and some honest work- don't complain to US that you can't afford them. It's not my problem, and it's not Nintendo's problem, either. Get a job, save up, and stop complaining.

Retroyoshi · « **Reply #33 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:06:04 PM »

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and at the age of 15

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I'm demanding the violence

Does ANYONE else find this to be a disturbing trend?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #34 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:39:26 PM »

eheheheh, you both misread me. I just wanted to comment that my Super Nintendo acquired the 3rd color of spinnach green.

A small initial factor why the Super Nintendo was a big deal was it was "Nintendo" and it was "Super," which makes you think it's pretty #@%#% amazing since we were building off of the NES era.

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The promotion of the Indigo color I'd say was a bad marketing idea. I don't know why, but BRIGHT NEON GREEN is such an attention-getter. This seems to make sense cuz for some reason I always see Xbox stuff close to the entrance of game stores/departments while the GameCube stuff is shoved far into the back. What's up with that?

And yes, Super Nintendo's awesome line-up is responsible for its success.

I wondered why GameCube wasn't faring "remarkably" well at retail prior to the big price cuts.

Obscure launch commercials that didn't show enough beautiful gameplay footage, especially for a game like Rogue Leader?

Nintendo's initial insistence on promoting the name "Nintendo GameCube," putting focus on the company name rather than the product. I don't remember seeing "Nintendo Game Boy Advance" publically touted as much as "Nintendo GAMECUBE". I just plain see "Game Boy Advance." What's up with that?

Nintendo's "slow" support of 3rd party developer/publishers (2002 was fairly dry in this respect), lacking in development and advertising support (much unlike the Namco/Square/Capcom/Konami deals we've got now)? Then there's the sports games issue...

Early U.S. SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE SHORTAGE of retail supply? Competing game platforms were able to replenish their stock much sooner than Nintendo did in my area, as I vaguely remember.

Droughts of TV commercials? Hey, even if the game isn't all that, commercials help the platform name get across, right?

Nintendo Power sucks?

Not enough demo discs (and other promo footage) that greatly help showcase 3rd party products (OH WAIT we wouldn't want that now would we, because that would just end up overshadowing Nintendo's first-party products, like Wario World)?

Nintendo Power sucks?

One more point I'd like to make is none of the above points are, I believe, dependent on violent game content.

Uglydot · « **Reply #35 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:41:30 PM »

I am 18 and I love my purple GCN with it's happy games. I rarly play dark game and if I do it's generally on PC. Nintendo's lineup is fine by me.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #36 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:49:44 PM »

I think it's worth noting that when the SNES came out my friends and I all thought it looked REALLY cool. Like tying an onion on your belt, it was the style at the time. Anyone else remember that swank Nintendo Power print ad that showed the SNES frozen in a block of ice? Man, the marketing department back then was ON.

I agree with the Pro in that console colour was just one of MANY problems with the Cube. But you have to remember that seemingly insignificant little problems like that are really dangerous if they add up. If Nintendo can't notice one tiny problem they can't notice 100 of them.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:54:12 PM »

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I agree with the Pro in that console colour was just one of MANY problems with the Cube. But you have to remember that seemingly insignificant little problems like that are really dangerous if they add up.

That's why I don't see the use in singling out something like console color- it contributes, among many others, to a much bigger problem, so I don't think it deserves special recognition.

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If Nintendo can't notice one tiny problem they can't notice 100 of them.

Just like how if you can't notice one tiny ant you can't notice 100 of them? Or how if you can't see one tiny grain of sand you can't see 100 of them? What kind of logic are you using here, Ian?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:10:50 PM »

"Just like how if you can't notice one tiny ant you can't notice 100 of them? Or how if you can't see one tiny grain of sand you can't see 100 of them? What kind of logic are you using here, Ian?"

Well I can't see 100 grains of sand if they're spread across the Disneyland parking lot.

Okay that analogy doesn't work well if you use something like ants or sand but I think it still makes sense.

What I'm saying is that Nintendo neglected to notice a LOT of small problems with the Cube. As a result they all added up and people had a whole lot of excuses to not buy a Cube. If Nintendo paid attention to the tiny details these problems wouldn't have made it out the door and wouldn't have created the bigger problem: trying to sell a console that doesn't sell.

I think it's worth singling out the colour issue because it was SO obvious from the get go and could have easily been fixed. NOA could have just promoted the black colour instead. The "professional" videogame media was making fun of the purple colour from the get go and NOA didn't clue in. They had months to see the problem and had a solution that wouldn't affect production yet did nothing.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:15:30 PM »

I completely agree with you that Nintendo ignored little problems, thinking they didn't matter, but ended up ignoring so many that combined they did matter. I was just pointing out that your analogy wasn't exactly water tight.

ib2kool4u912 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2004, 04:07:21 PM »

Marketing and all that aside, does anyone one else besides me think that Gamecube actually looks better in purple then it does in black?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2004, 04:10:48 PM »

I do! I was about 10th in line when I got my Gamecube at Wal-Mart, so there were plenty of each color and I went straight for the purple ones. I got their only spice orange controller, too- everybody said I got the ugly controller, and I reminded them that I got the only ugly controller!

Beave · « **Reply #42 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:07:17 PM »

I went black, colour coordination is very important

Nintendo should try black, silver, dark silver console next time, blue/ green led and make it more slim.

The PS2 is probably the best looking console.

We just need more racing, sport and fighting games. Maybe more mature theme adventure games too.
Aggresive positioning also. I went out a couple of weeks ago and there were xbox game demos up an a plasma at a night club.

GrAyLaN · « **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:16:47 PM »

Woah, this is like 3 topics in one...

well, 1st I'm going to adress the fact that people are reading the first thing I said and not the second thing I said...I'm not some psychopath who gets his jollies from watching squiring blood on a video game and I'm not going to grow up to be some mass murderer.

I like games that offer freeroaming in an environment where I can snage a car anytime I want...I like games that offer cool fighting moves (like MK) and I like the scary games like the RE series...If I could, I would restate the title to "Not enough MATURE games on the GCN".

Second...um...I don't own a purple gamecube...I bought the black one.

Third...SNES had a green color during later production!? Was that for the Japanese Famicon or Both American and japanese? And you guys were right! There is purple on my SNES...I never noticed!

-GrAyLaN

Shift Key · « **Reply #44 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:19:05 PM »

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Marketing and all that aside, does anyone one else besides me think that Gamecube actually looks better in purple then it does in black?

Hell yeah. I have a purple GC sitting next to a silver PS2 and a silver TV. Makes them all stand out too. I would have considered a spice system if it were out, but black is just too conservative IMO.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:22:45 PM »

GrAyLaN: The SNEs didn't come in green, it TURNED green over time.

GrAyLaN · « **Reply #46 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:26:31 PM »

Conservative....as it sits in that place I call a room I see nothing conservative about it...

The Omen · « **Reply #47 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:30:58 PM »

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That's why I don't see the use in singling out something like console color- it contributes, among many others, to a much bigger problem, so I don't think it deserves special recognition.

The color is the first impression of the console. It's fine for blokes like us who'll buy Nintendo it no matter what they dish out. But for the mainstream, Purple was , and is , a ridiculous color. Mouseclicker, you brought up your spice controller. Spice , even, is well ahead in terms of universal appeal. If i'm Joe F'N Blow, and I see this purple monstrosity, then I see the sleek black and blue PS2, what do you think I'm going to buy? Obviously, you think thats dumb, but thats the market Nintendo must grab to be a huge success, not a 'niche' market.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #48 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:50:25 PM »

I'm not arguing that marketing the purple Gamecube was a GOOD idea, just that I don't see why IT'S being singled out while none of the other contributing problems are.

And I hardly see how the PS2 has a nice design at all- why the hell is the base smaller than the console itself? People only like it because it's black with blue lettering. Same with the GBA SP- the things a friggin's square for crying outloud (I thought Nintendo learned their lesson on quadrilaterals with the NES controller), but everyone and their mom thinks they look great because it's shiny.

alvinaloy · « **Reply #49 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:20:32 PM »

I don't see why the hang up over it's color. I'm 27 and absolutely love my Indigo GC. Spice is wicked too. Black/Silver is such a boring and dull color. Then again, maybe cos I'm Asian (Chinese if you may)

Have you guys seen the Limited Edition Gamecubes available over in Japan? There's the White FF: CC, the Red Char Aznable, the Green one (forgot the theme), and recently, a gray MGS: TT. I believe there's still more.

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Author Topic: Violence on the GCN...it's not seen enough! (Read 18498 times)