Topic: A collection of Evidence on Gamecube's success

[davidlow122]

I just posted this as a response to some anti- Gamecube comments on an English Gamecube site, Gamecube Europe, and I thought it was a good collection of pro Gamecube sales evidence, so I'll post it as a new Topic here! Here Goes...

Hey, I live in Australia, and the Cube is not doing so good here, either. I hate it because people's impression is that it doesn't exist anymore - some even think XB is the next N64 (black with 4 controller ports? must be!)
But in the US, Europe (apart from UK) and espescially Japan it is really doing well.

Acording to Gamespot.com (my source most things here) GC is now 2nd both worldwide AND in the US in total hardware sales.

True, It is sad that we have to argue over second place, but it was a game Micro$oft started, and so it's funny when the boaster loses. Their 2nd last press release on gamespot claiming they were second was complete lies (it actually contadicted something Bill Gates said one day later -about xb media centre). Gamespot -who are XB bitches themselves (any multi platform title is universally claimed to be best on XB, even when other places like IGN disagree eg: Prince of persia, Sonic Heroes) - pointed out the improbability of the claims.

Another point is that GC and XB were out so much later then PS2 that they could be considered 1/2 a generation ahead. They are both clearly more powerful the the PS2, and a 35 million console/almost 2 year lead adds to this point. It's like comparing Dreamcast hardware sales to PS1.

But there is a point EVERYONE is missing. Microsoft have bled almost 2 BILLION dollars on XB. Some Investors don't want an XB2. And sony has recently been losing money, mainly from PS2, because sales have slowed, but they are still spending money on marketing etc. Nintendo are actually making the MOST MONEY from their current console. They are the world's Number 1 Publisher, No1 Developer, and have the world No1 platform, GBA. But even without the GBA, GC actually made more money for Nintendo the PS2 did for sony this year, and that's something.
I got this last info from an article from a NOA guy, I'll see if I can find it.

My personal opinion? All this is only important if it means I can still be playing a new Zelda in 10 years time.

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Here is the interview IGN did with perrin kaplan, the nintendo Guy I was talking about:

http://cube.ign.com/articles/463/463155p 1.html


Also, here is the Gamespot article on the Microsoft lies about holiday sales and Media extension kit:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halo 2/news_6086212.html

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Here's the original thread on Gamecube Europe:

http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=5994

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What does everyone think?

[davidlow122]

More Links.

on Sony losses:

http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6077565.html

On the much discussed 'First ever Nintendo loss':

http://www.gamespot.com/gba/news/news_6083469.html

Did everyone know they had a currency exchange loss of $369.6 million (US), yet they only ended up losing $26.8 million? It was not game related at all! And their full year profit at the time of the article was expected to be $554.3 million! As we know they're on scedule, this probably eventuated!

More as I find it!

[Ymeegod]

Actually there's alot of misleading statements (always is).

First off, Nintendo is claiming 2nd place in US sales for (jan 2003-Jan 2004) and not overall sales for the console.  This is true.  MS is claiming it's still in 2nd place overall in the US, which again is mostly true.  

And MS wasn't the first to post console sale figures.  Nintendo fired a bullet three days after the GC was launched against the xbox stating how the GC outsold the Xbox for that week even though it was only released 3 days instead of the xbox's 6.

[davidlow122]

I didn't mean to be misleading Ymeegod, thanks for clarification on the position of GC/XB in the US, that's all I meant. My point about it being Micro$oft's game was really about the gamespot post where they claimed holiday sales were more then Gamecube. The company contadicting itself about multimedia showed the way they don't think or check before making these statements, and so it is fun to point out how desparate they sound.

Mostly Micro$oft have ignored Nintendo, so as to create the impression of a 2 horse race, them verses sony. It is almost a compliment that they have resumed referring to Nintendo, espescially with desperate sounding lies.

Anyway, Nintendo is pretty clearly going to come out world No2 now, with a good year in the US and great sales in Japan, where XB basically does not exist.

Anything else you thought was misleading? I'm happy to discuss!

[KDR_11k]

Hm, I wonder how long the XB will remain second in the US... Its lead is decrasing day-by-day.

[The Omen]

Xbox still has a million more console sales in the U.S., at least thats the last stats i saw.  But youre right, the lead is shrinking big time.  I think the GC has cut 750,000 off the lead since the price drop.

[VoodooMerlin]

And the funny thing is.....that it shouldn't matter whether the Cube is or isn't a success to anyone but the beancounters at Nintendo. Many people bought them and like them. Just the fact that there are people that are passionate enough about the Cube to post on forums like these is proof that it is a success.

Don't worry about the console war crap and who's outselling who. It'll just drag you down or make you worried. Enjoy your Cube for the reasons that you like it.

[BoboThePenguin]

This whole "how successful a console is" is just to make people feel good about theirselfs for making a "good" purchase. It should be about how much fun you have with the games!

[CYBERSTAR]

quite simply as a system the cube doesnt compare to the xbox .trust me i have both .
i hardly ever play my cube as there just is'nt enough good games .the games i have on cube are exelent there is just not enough of them .i am a big fan of fps so the xbox serves me well and i have recently subscribed to xbl which is a great service and a great place to meet good gamers .
and trust me if a game is multiformat the xbox version will be the best (unless its ea )
untill you have owned one there is no way you would know how much better it is .at first the size of the controler makes playing a chore but with practice the pad will becom easier to use .now the xbox pad is my favorite closly followed by the cubes .
the xbox  is no way the next n64 as it has enough support to make it last .
xbox live has over 1 million full time users across a good variety of game types (golf tennis nhl nfl fps racing mech nba even flying )
the cube or even n5 for that matter has no way of becoming better than the xbox without full support from 3rd party developers
if it wasnt for the price drop the cube would have been out of the running completly .
game sales are the key to sucsess and xbox will out do the cube in that way even if the cube does manage to take over xbox in console sales

[Berto2K]

I agree with everything you wrote cept one.  Perrin Kaplan is a women not a guy.  Just a heads up.

[KDR_11k]

Cyberstar: If your favourite genre is FPS, then why in hell did you buy a console? There are more than enough of 'em on PC! If you don't like the console-style games the GC offers, you shouldn't have bought one.

[CYBERSTAR]

where in my post does it say i do not like console type games .i do not like to play games on my pc
if you read it i said the games i have for cube are exelent there just is'nt enough of em.
i enjoy fps thats the reason i have xbox live which is a better online service than any pc even if it costs more  .plus i get to sit infront of my tv while i'm playing.

[KDR_11k]

Well, if you say there aren't enough I take it as you don't like a lot of 'em. Since if you like most of the games there's no real shortage, I assumed you were short on the kinds of games you like. Or you consider 20 games as not enough.

[Chongman]

To reply to CYBERSTAR:

Hey, didn't you realize if you did this in a GAMECUBE forum, you'd get torn to shreds?
Anywhos, you have to keep in mind, thats your opinion, just like everyone else here has their opinion. So it seems the cliches fps is your niche (and when I say cliche, dont take it negatively). Then deffinitely the xbox is better for you. And xbox live would suit your pallete too (though where you get the million mark is beyond me. Last time I heard, it was half that) Personally, I think PC online play just cant be matched yet (so why pay again for xbox live is what I mean) but thats just me. Just because you have both systems though, doesn't make you an expert on the topic of which one is better. Most ignorance is self induced. I'm sure you could go out and find a bevy of excellent gc games (enough to satisfy your tastes i mean). Not to say that the xbox isn't any good. Quite frankly, its lineup is getting better every month. But that doesn't mean gc's isn't either. There are a lot of good games coming out this year, but is it just me or has PS2 just shifted into the backround?

Oh, and you said the xbox ports are always the best. I tend to dissagree. If you go to gamerankings.com, 2/3 of all the multiplatform games on GC seem to always be ranked slightly higher overall then xbox games. See? Its just your opinion, and I respect that, though I can hardly believe that such a minute difference in graphics can merit a game to be that much better. And (this is MY opinion) with an inferior controler added in (how the HELL are you supposed to use the black and white buttons on the standard controller???) it doesn't leave much to be desired



I'm not saying this console is better then that console, i'm just defending nintendo. And, being the nintendo freak I am, I'm rootin for the GC. This year's lineup will rock...as long as theres a few surprised mixed in.  

[odifiend]

Like Chogoman said you're intitled to your opinion, but i noticed that you said the xbox controller is your favorite.  Well duh if you barely play your cube.  The xbox controller can't even touch the cube's, as you said you had to get used to your xbox controller for it to work for you, whereas most people (common folk, game developers, etc...) have found GCN's controller much easier therefore much better to use.  A controller should not make a video game hard.

[VoodooMerlin]

I used to work with all 3 systems. I played Cube, XboX and PS2 every day since their launches and got to know all 3 consoles VERY well. I was playing a PS2 before half of you guys even saw your first picture of one.

When I decided that it was time to leave the industry, guess which system I just couldn't bear to part with? My Cube.

Wanna know why? The Cube...IMO....has THE biggest variety of TYPES of games. The other two consoles tended to be a bit "niched". The XboX was largely a "shooter" system seconded by some killer racers. The PS2 started to go all "hoodlum-ish" with some fine rpgs backing it up. The Cube didn't have much of any particular genre....but it had a bit of everything....and those killer first party titles, which are pretty hard to ignore. When I worked, I played whatever new game on the appropriate system. When I played a game "for me" it was usually a Cube game. (9 times out of 10 it was PSO....lol)

Once again...IMO...but a fairly experienced one, I can tell you that all 3 consoles are strong successes, each in their own way with their own strengths and weaknesses. Gamers who are fortunate enough to own all 3 consoles don't bother worrying whether their choice of system is a good one. If you only own one system, stop worrying. Stop worrying about the sales charts. Whatever you chose to buy, it's a good one.