Author Topic: Final Fantasy X-2 (Read 7832 times)

Murk280 · « **on:** December 30, 2003, 07:56:49 PM »

Apologies if there is already a thread about this game. I looked.
I've begun playing this and am a huge FF fan, but this game doesn't appeal to me like the others. You have only three characters, you start the game off with an airship, and it's got this whole Charlie's Angels thing going on.

I was just wondering if anyone else has played it to a point that it gets good.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2003, 08:22:57 PM »

I LOVED Final Fantasy X, but I have to say, X-2 appeals to me in no way imaginable- I get the distinct impression that some Square exec suddenly blurted out "Oh crap! We didn't make enough money off of FFX!!!". Some have said it was Square's first experimentation with a true sequel to one of their FF games, but it obviously wasn't handled very seriously. And FFVII Advent Children looks pretty bad as well- you can't take a game that was done in a stylized manner and just make it realistic, it doesn't work that way. Now Cloud looks really goofy with his yellow spiked hair and giant kitchen knife whereas he would've looked fine had they kept the anime style.

Marcus Arillius · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2003, 09:00:51 AM »

I have FFx2 and i like it. It doesn't have the feeling of a final fantasy adventure though. It's like one big sidequest. The missions are fun though, and it's enjoyable earning new abilites. Although I have to say, some of them are kind of a waste because they take so long to execute, i never use them. This game is incredibly easy though. It's incredibly short as well.
One thing about the abilites that bothers me is that there isn't much different from ffx.

*KINDA SORTA A QUASI-SPOILER*
Also, to those who are dissapointed that there aren't summonings, don't be. Let's just say that something makes up for it.

Deguello · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2003, 12:41:35 PM »

My brother has this game, and just hearing it makes me cringe. And then I saw the actual game. It's like they watched Fox and Spike for a day before did the character designs. Or maybe looked at some fanart. It looks totally asinine and boring.

rpglover · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2003, 02:51:15 PM »

the only thing about the game that was decent was the battle system- the new active time battle system is very nice- it runs fast and battles are over in a breeze- but other than that the game is not that good

seven_chaos · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2003, 10:21:51 PM »

I am currenntly about 35% of the way through the game and I'm really enjoying it. The battle system is cool (fast is good =P). I like all the classes and such. Yes, it does feel rather different and doesn't seem like it should've come out as a stand alone game. I know if I wouldn't have played FFX I wouldn't give this game the time of day.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2004, 10:36:42 AM »

Yeah... I'll be picking this up when I get my copy of DOA:XBV ::coughs::

I refuse to perptuate the horny, teenage, male-gamer stereotype. Heh.

Marcus Arillius · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2004, 08:11:37 AM »

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Originally posted by: Deguello
My brother has this game, and just hearing it makes me cringe. And then I saw the actual game. It's like they watched Fox and Spike for a day before did the character designs. Or maybe looked at some fanart. It looks totally asinine and boring.

The character designs are exactly as they were in FFX. The only thing different is their clothes.

RDG · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2004, 10:19:55 AM »

FFx-2 is the worst FF game to date. They have effectively ruined the series with this game and FF8.
The singing, the love story, the ridiculous costumes, are all terrible and the make up one of the gheyest games ever.

Sigh, can't wait for Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles...

Deguello · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2004, 03:56:53 PM »

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The character designs are exactly as they were in FFX. The only thing different is their clothes.

I know. FFX character designs suck too. As well as the game.

Now I know I'm about to fling mud into the face of carefully guarded Game Canon, but RPGs just totally suck. As a whole, they are sorely lacking the GAME portion of the game itself. I feel repulsed by the way FFX-2 sells 2 million in Japan when other titles that feature things like "gameplay" struggle to breach 300,000. It seems a paradigm shift is in order.

I have a challenge. I want somebody to tell me what makes RPGs unique from other genres. I almost think RPG is an ambigious label that doesn't mean anything.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2004, 12:25:35 AM »

Deguello: Play some Nethack and say that again

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Ymeegod · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2004, 09:46:46 AM »

"like "gameplay"

Hmm... I guess you haven't played the game then because this is where FFX-2 shines.

I beat it at 92% myself and yeah it's like FFX meets Charles Angles (the plot/cutscenes ect) but the combat system was great.

And you could turn off the 'extra' animation when they switch classes in the options menu so you really didn't have to view the same thing dozens of times.

Overall, I'll take this one over FFVIII :0.

Deguello · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2004, 07:43:01 PM »

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Hmm... I guess you haven't played the game then because this is where FFX-2 shines.

Hell yes I've played this atrocity. It's just like every Final Fantasy I've ever played (Disregarding FF:CC {action-adventure, which automatically makes it better than any RPG}, FFT {chess, regardless of storylines, is still chess}, and FFXI{onlineRPG which is its own brand of horrible}). Fight random battles, level up, fight more random battles, level up more, occasionally open menu to equip new item, fight boss, level up lather rinse repeat.

I also laugh at the ascertainment that RPGs are hard. I haven't found one I can't beat just by leveling up early. Time-consuming? yes. Hard? no.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2004, 07:49:18 PM »

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Now I know I'm about to fling mud into the face of carefully guarded Game Canon, but RPGs just totally suck. As a whole, they are sorely lacking the GAME portion of the game itself.

Play Grandia- I agree that a lot of RPG's put more effort into their cliche storylines than making the gameplay enjoyable, but until you've played Grandia and used its battle system, you cannot say RPG's suck.

Which is another good point- even though I like that you agree with me on the issue here, you're a self proclaimed hater of RPG's, which essentialy negates any opinion you have on one specific RPG. It's like me saying all platformers suck and so does Mario. How can we expect to get an impartial opinion from you when you're obviously not a fan of the genre? There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with immediatley thereafter proceeding to rail on one RPG in particular.

Deguello · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2004, 11:49:07 PM »

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Play Grandia- I agree that a lot of RPG's put more effort into their cliche storylines than making the gameplay enjoyable, but until you've played Grandia and used its battle system, you cannot say RPG's suck.

Which is another good point- even though I like that you agree with me on the issue here, you're a self proclaimed hater of RPG's, which essentialy negates any opinion you have on one specific RPG. It's like me saying all platformers suck and so does Mario. How can we expect to get an impartial opinion from you when you're obviously not a fan of the genre? There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with immediatley thereafter proceeding to rail on one RPG in particular.

Played Grandia. Props for no random fights, but still just watching people fight while I relentlessly smash Cross to use the "combo" command or whatever.

I replied to this because I have seen FFX-2, and I thought it was garbage. Perhaps I should have also said I played it, and I also should have stated my reasons for my distaste, which were that game of FFX-2 remains relatively unchanged from FFX, which remained relatively unchanged from FFIX (graphic styles notwithstanding), which remained relatively unchanged from FFVIII (ditto) so on and so forth. I've played this game before. I played it waaaaay back in 1990.

I never said I hated RPGs. After playing a mighty shitload of them (being the brother of a person who buys a mighty shitload of them), I can safely say I dislike the lot of them, save a scant few. But I don't hate them.

The reason I am railing about One particular RPG here is because that what the thread's about. FFX-2. Which sucks. Hard. I may have gone off on a diatribe about RPGs in general, but it was the natural course of logic when I describe my experience with FFX-2. Most of them are like this. Now I know somebody's gonna say "But Deg, what about Shadow Valkyrie Odyssey?" Trust me, if it's an RPG and it existed between 1996-2001, my brother has it and I have played it extensively. Even the extremely boring ones on the PC by Bioware. I've played pretty much all of them.

That said, sorry for the diatribe, and sorry for this long winded post. The hatchet is buried, my rant is over. Clean slate, chaps? : D

rpglover · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2004, 02:16:27 AM »

deguello- i know this may be a bit late but if you tire of the same old same old rpg battle systems then play rpgs by a company called tri-ace- hey sometimes i tire of the same push 'a' the whole time untill the battle is over system- tri-ace rpgs you have probably played are star ocean and valkyrie profile- those are two of my favorite rpgs- the battle systems in those games are interesting and actually kept me wanting to play and battle

"but RPGs just totally suck. As a whole, they are sorely lacking the GAME portion of the game itself."

a lot of them do- but tri-ace nailed the gameplay on the head- they make very interesting battle systems foremost with a story later to back it all up- and i will say that most rpgs do lack the game portion- most rpgs like to change that with a great story (i.e. xenosaga, xenogears) but on a whole most people probably play rpgs for the stories anyway which is why so many developers focus on that than the gameplay itself-- the mario rpg series basically does what it needed to do- make rpgs more interesting to play- you have more control during battles, and there are lots of puzzles (especially in mario and luigi- which is more like 60% rpg and 40% platformer)

well that is my long rant

Ymeegod · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2004, 03:42:24 AM »

Actually the higher your level in FFX-2 the higher the enemies

--which was also the case for FFVIII.

There's a couple of RPG's that don't have experience points at all except for the main bosses which keeps you from leveling up early.

And it's not like the game FORCES you do be cheap and chessy--it's your choice to stick around a waste time leveling up, you can beat the game without doing any of the side quests or random fights, just flee because it works 90% of the time. Hell my guys were only level 27 and I still beat the game (most people's characters were in the mid 30's), sure the final boss battle took nearly an hour and a half but it's beatable if you have a strategy. I used the samurai's spare change tech which works wonders for a final battle since you don't need extra cash anyhow

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As for MC--I've played all the Grandia's, I would skip over Grandia Xtreme since it was such a letdown from Grandia 2 (DC version of course). I just beat that one yesterday and it's going up on ebay or tradegamesnow--yeah it's that bad.

Murk280 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2004, 07:15:55 AM »

Glad to see I'm not the only one who dislikes X-2 and FF VIII.

I've stopped playing X-2 and started playing .hack
also playing my way through FFIX, which I never played.

Many RPGs don't appeal to me in the way of wasting so much time leveling up, draining the game of it's fun. However FFVII is probably one of my all-time favorite games. I just loved the plot, etc.

Yet, of all RPGs, I believe the Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are all time bests. Never have I had so much fun playing RPGs

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2004, 09:52:28 AM »

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As for MC--I've played all the Grandia's, I would skip over Grandia Xtreme since it was such a letdown from Grandia 2 (DC version of course). I just beat that one yesterday and it's going up on ebay or tradegamesnow--yeah it's that bad.

You're too late, Ymeegod, if you were trying to save me from buying it- I got it the day it came out.

I have to say I love it, too, and not because of the story (which is not only unoriginal but boring), but because it's battle system has given me some of the funnest gaming moments of my life. I don't really see Grandia Xtreme as an RPG, I see it as an excuse to enter a state of euphoria for hours on end. The first and foremost thing I have to like in an RPG is the battle system- if the story is good or the characters enjoyable, that's just icing on the cake and I don't really care if they suck. That's Xtreme in a nutshell- no good story, no good characters, but the best goddamn battle system that has ever graced a turn based game- hell, it's better than most real time battle systems as well.

And just wondering, Deguello, but what RPG's do you like?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2004, 07:51:45 PM »

That whole tri-ace talk reminds me how NoE should bring Baten Kaitos here. Hell, if they don't think ToS' anime style will sell, then how about a more realistic one?

Deguello · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2004, 10:32:41 PM »

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And just wondering, Deguello, but what RPG's do you like?

An interesting question.

There are some games I like that are considered RPGs, but are really Action-Adventure. Like Sword of Mana, or this interesting little brainwrencher Cima. The way I see it, the very second you gain control of your character's actions, the game is no longer an RPG.

Mario and Luigi is what RPGs should be. A skill-based battle system that rewards you be being good at it. And the added bonus that you do not need to level up at all. All bosses (although this might be impossible to test, and I'm assuming you can always do 1 damage) can be beat with a Level 1 Mario and Luigi, because all enemy attacks are 100% dodgeable. Megaman Battle Network is the same way, except I think there are some attacks that are undodgeable, and MMBN has random battles, whereas M & L doesn't.

And some strategy games also get lumped in with RPGs when they are still just strategy games. I like playing some strategy games. Because unlike the generaliztion that RPGs require strategy, strategy games most definitely do require it, since it's more about unit placement than levels.

In brief, the more time I spend watching the on-screen character do things instead of actually controlling them with my own fingers, it become more and more like a movie that runs at your prompting than a game you control.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2004, 01:44:59 AM »

Mario & Luigi is an incredible game, and looks to be the first RPG I'll actually beat. RPGs generally bore me, but Mario & Luigi is great.

I haven't played X-2, but it does look rather stupid. I watched murk play a bit of X, and even that seemed only remotely interesting. So while I can't say for sure, I don't think I'd like X-2.

foolish03 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2004, 04:24:33 PM »

hey Deguello what do you think about Star Wars KOTOR. People say its the greatest RPG ever, what do you say.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #23 on:** January 12, 2004, 06:12:24 PM »

Heh, I'm not only a huge RPG fan but a gigantic Star Wars fan as well, and I can tell you right now, KOTOR is not the best RPG ever. I'm sure it's very good, certainly one of the, if not the best Star Wars game out there, but the RPG itself is really nothing new- it's basically Icewind Dale or Neverwinter Nights with the camera moved in a little closer.

Deguello · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:59:09 PM »

KOTOR is another one of those damn overrated BioWare RPGs that all use tweaks of the same engine. I haven't played one BioWare RPG were I didn't get bored quickly, and KOTOR didn't fail this aspect either. Where did all the hype for this game come from?

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Author Topic: Final Fantasy X-2 (Read 7832 times)