Author Topic: "The Trouble With Nintendo" (Read 44641 times)

Kyosho · « **Reply #125 on:** December 26, 2003, 05:56:35 PM »

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Nintendo RESTARTED GCN production some TWO MONTHS before a price drop was announced- so obviously Nintendo "cleared inventory" well before then (think July/August).

I heard different from various sources.

MC i really don't know HOW i am confusing you. Perhaps it's because my msg content addresses your latest reply and then some, so you tend to get lost with where I am going. As for the rest, futile effort to debate with fanboys.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #126 on:** December 26, 2003, 05:58:32 PM »

I'm lost even more now- WHAT are you trying to make a point of, Kyosho? I am in the dark here.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #127 on:** December 26, 2003, 06:09:10 PM »

i think the point that he is trying to make is that pro nintendo people are bias towards nintendo. and i think that should kind of be a given since we are in a nintendo forum. if you went in an xbox forum, the only thing you would hear are kiddie and sexual orientation jokes. although nintendo fans dont look at things in a nonbias way, almost no one if anyone at all can and does. and although i would love to believe nintendo cleared inventory in july or august...i simply dont htink that is true.

Kyosho · « **Reply #128 on:** December 26, 2003, 07:00:02 PM »

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that pro nintendo people are bias towards nintendo. and i think that should kind of be a given since we are in a nintendo forum

yeah that pretty much sums up the last 2 posts i made. And yeah it's totally understandable that we are in a Nintendo forum so that should be expected. But i am just hoping that those pro-Nintendo people can also view it from a neutral point of view. I think that one article Johnny wrote was an example of one.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #129 on:** December 26, 2003, 07:01:23 PM »

Well, some biasedness is inevitable an unavoidable, but I'm not a fanboy, if that's that he's getting at. I'm also not biased in the sense that I think Nintendo can do no wrong- as I've said, there are many quotes og mine in this very thread that say as much.

Shadow Fox · « **Reply #130 on:** December 26, 2003, 11:09:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kyosho
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Nintendo RESTARTED GCN production some TWO MONTHS before a price drop was announced- so obviously Nintendo "cleared inventory" well before then (think July/August).

I heard different from various sources.

GameCube production began at the start of October

GameCube price drop effective 9/25/03

So while it wasn't the two months I mentioned earlier (this is dealing with Japan), it's still painfully obvious that Nintendo wasn't able to forsee GCN production picking up in a mere FIVE DAYS (as a matter of fact, Nintendo still stated "later in the fall" as a to when the production would pick up in the $99 press-release).

As I said, GCN's were selling of their OWN ACCORD, rather than leaning on a price drop the entirety of the "overstock" days.

-Official NInja of PGC

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #131 on:** December 27, 2003, 09:48:30 AM »

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I think that one article Johnny wrote was an example of one.

Read what Grey Ninja had to say about Johnny's editorial in the TalkBack forum- although I wouldn't be quite so harsh, I do agree with nearly everything he said.

Kyosho · « **Reply #132 on:** December 27, 2003, 10:59:13 AM »

I read what Grey Ninja wrote, and I pretty much only agree with half of his opinions. He was pretty brutal in his response but to me he is also at the same time fairly biased. I still feel Johnny gave a pretty well rounded opinion on the issue. It seems if at any time an editor was to bash Nintendo, they're now labeled "IGN."

It could also be a regional thing though. He states "Most of the people I know who went out and bought an Xbox early in the war now come to me and admit that they were wrong." Around my area, females/kids seem to be the proud owners of Gamecubes. Males on the other hand are mostly into PS2. Xbox and Gamecube are pretty even in 2nd. A lot of males who own the Cube complain about the lack of variety and quality of games for the system as it is their only console system. PS2 owners seem to complain about a game, but never about Sony.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #133 on:** December 27, 2003, 11:32:41 AM »

"fairly biased" huh?

As far as I'm concerned there is no trouble with Nintendo. There doing what they have been doing for years, making games accesible and fun. Nintendo has never been about mature games. As soon as games became mainstream did this "cool mature game fad" come across. Nintendos paying the price for not changing. Nintendos philosophy is not the problem, the markets philosophy is. Now people feel awkward in front of friends if they have mario sunshine, instead of supermegadeath rally sluaghter 2 *with more killing action than before*(obviously made-up i'm just trying to prove a point). I don't want Nintendo to change, niether do many people....but the only way they can compete is if they change or the market changes.

kaanchy · « **Reply #134 on:** December 28, 2003, 08:46:49 AM »

I wrote the article in question, thanks for your comments. It's good to see it sparked a lively debate

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #135 on:** December 28, 2003, 09:22:59 AM »

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Now people feel awkward in front of friends if they have mario sunshine, instead of supermegadeath rally sluaghter 2 *with more killing action than before*(obviously made-up i'm just trying to prove a point).

I don't know about that, man- a friend of mine actually lied about peeing on his leg to get some respect, and he got it.

That is, until we realized it was just water.

Kaanchy: Glad to see you read it.

How did you find the post, though? Ibdomini/Hostile Creation didn't mention it in his emailing of my editorial.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #136 on:** December 28, 2003, 10:04:19 PM »

hahahaha are you serious? I would lose respect for someone if they did that.

If nintendo created another "pokemon" (not in the type of game, but in popularity) but for adults then Nintendo could be back on top. Yes I know I stated the obvious.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #137 on:** December 28, 2003, 10:24:45 PM »

Well, that's the circle of friends I immerse myself in.

Needless to say we're all huge Nintendo fans. Even the ones that aren't give them the respect they deserve.

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If nintendo created another "pokemon" (not in the type of game, but in popularity) but for adults then Nintendo could be back on top. Yes I know I stated the obvious.

I suppose so, but I'm not quite sure how exactly that would work. Besides, Pokemon's sales are mindboggling as it is- it amazes me that the games still sell so amazingly well despite Nintendo milking them since their inception.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #138 on:** December 29, 2003, 02:01:22 AM »

Uh, it's called "Chinpokomon."

The "c h i n p o" in the name is probably the biggest joke most people haven't gotten from that Southpark episode....!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAHHA

joshnickerson · « **Reply #139 on:** December 29, 2003, 03:21:24 AM »

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Uh, it's called "Chinpokomon."

The "c h i n p o" in the name is probably the biggest joke most people haven't gotten from that Southpark episode....!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAHHA

Yeah, you LOVE the "chinpo", don't you, Professional?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #140 on:** March 07, 2004, 04:50:24 PM »

Since Johnny just wrote a new editorial of his own, I thought mine might get some more discussion regarding Johnny's new ideas. I personally think he misjudged a lot of the things he talked about, and it's getting on my nerves how everyone suddenly thinks they know what the problem is and how to fix it.

Berny · « **Reply #141 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:47:32 PM »

I think he misjudged the online thing. Online is not going to be a console thing despite M$'s and Sony's hopes and dreams. I believe it will remain strictly a PC thing.

Also, Ninty's relations with Namco who is giving us 2 exclusive RPGs, Square with one exclusive RPG, Konami with an exclusive MGS which hopefully will lead to more games from them, and Capcom who has given us 2 exclusive games thus far. Capcom worries me though because one project has been scrapped (allegedly) and another is no longer exclusive. Hopefully RE4 will be a seller.

I do think that Nintendo has some problems to work out though, mouse. They REALLY need to shoot for that older audience. And I've said it before, this does NOT mean mindless Vice City games. This means QUALITY mature titles like ED and MGS. I would argue that RE is quality, but there are some who would disagree. I don't think that the mature audience is the only problem, but it certainly is a major concern. How Nintendo will chose to fix whatever problems they have is as much a mystery as their next console.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #142 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:53:55 PM »

Nintendo doesn't have to make the mature titles themselves, though. I think it was Omen who made the example first- Nintendo is like Disney in that they don't make dark products themselves but own companies that do. On top of this, if Nintendo were able to get their once incredible 3rd party support back, their consoles would then cover the necessary areas of consumer interests. Really, I cover all this in my original post.

Edit: Sorry Omen.

Berny · « **Reply #143 on:** March 07, 2004, 06:04:21 PM »

Oh I agree. All the mature titles I mentioned were made by 3rd parties. Of the top of my head only MP comes to mind as a Ninty "mature" title and that was A) made by a second party and B) not rated Mature. But it was nonetheless a great game. It blended a first person shooter with an adventure game creating an entire new genre. I believe it to be one of the most groundbreaking (ground breaking?) games in recent history. It completely avoided the usual shtuff of FPSs allowing you to lock onto enemies, and compensating by making the enemies have a more puzzleish way of defeating them. (SearonoX, I know you feel strongly about MP NOT being a FPS and I in no way am saying that it is one.)

But on the subject of FPSs (which I frankly avoid due to my serious lack of skill in that category) N-Space is making the very innovative Geist. This game looks ingenious and complicated. It gives FPSs something new that all other FPSs do not have. With other FPSs the only thing you are concerned with is guns. Guns guns guns. With Geist you must be concerned with WHO you are and what that person has access to. It adds, like MP, a puzzle aspect to the genre while staying in the field of FPSs.

And I just remembered another thing. Now that Ninty owns like 75% of Bandai's stock (actually I think it's closer to 45%) they have access to all the mech games in existence as well as all games based on anime shows (again, I exaggerate).

EDIT: I am a moron. ^_^

The Omen · « **Reply #144 on:** March 07, 2004, 09:25:02 PM »

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Nintendo doesn't have to make the mature titles themselves, though. I think it was IanSane who made the example first- Nintendo is like Disney in that they don't make dark products themselves but own companies that do.

That was me. And hopefully, Retro and SK will be Nintendos Miramax and Dimension(i think) divisions.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #145 on:** March 08, 2004, 02:16:10 AM »

Gah, I knew it was either you or Ian- I get you two confused all the time. Sorry.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #146 on:** March 10, 2004, 06:11:18 AM »

thier editorial is right on the money and exactly what I've been screaming for a long time.

Deguello · « **Reply #147 on:** March 11, 2004, 03:17:34 AM »

"Their editorial?" I highly disagree with it. I'm getting the impression you are just trying to ruffle feathers around here, nemo. I hope you prove my impression wrong.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #148 on:** March 11, 2004, 10:15:50 AM »

Do you have any specific comments about why you agree with GameRevolution and disagree with me, nemo?

The Omen · « **Reply #149 on:** March 11, 2004, 10:49:49 AM »

Of course he doesn't, mouse-clicker, which is why all his threads are locked.

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