Author Topic: Cartridge Comeback? (Read 8635 times)

- NintendoFan - · « **on:** November 13, 2003, 02:26:10 PM »

Could this mean a possible cartridge comeback?

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/8447

When this gets out the door, if it ever really does, it could be in N6 if Nintendo decides to use it. Which, if it is everything that it states it could very well be.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2003, 02:42:03 PM »

Nintendo was basically forced into using optical media, so I can almost guarantee that if they can use this media, they will...

Nintendo Gamecube · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:29:09 PM »

There is one problem with cartridge, it cannot hold as much data...and with games these days, you need a lot of room for data.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:37:12 PM »

You didn't read the article, did you?...

This new media could render optical media obsolete...I do doubt it could happen so soon, but it's something to look at...

TOY · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2003, 07:21:39 PM »

Nice find,

I agree with Bill, Nintendo would love this. Im sure someone would figure out how to pirate it but it wouldnt be as simple as copying a cd. The big question will be price.

TOY

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2003, 08:48:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: Nintendo Gamecube
There is one problem with cartridge, it cannot hold as much data...and with games these days, you need a lot of room for data.

Always nice to meet someone so intelligent that they don't need to read anything in a topic before making a post. Especially when they are trying to make everyone else look stupid.

Anyway I've actually been saying it won't be long before solid state media makes a come back for a while but I usually get closed minded replies like the above. This is why I think it would be dumb of Nintendo to use disks with the next Game Boy when a better solid state alternative is probably right around the corner.

vudu · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2003, 04:14:43 AM »

did anyone check out the posts below the main article? some are pretty dumb. here's my personal favorite:

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No, Thanks not for me. CD is a lot more compatible with cd player in my cars and home and my 3 dvd players. Also i dont like this stupid thing. DVD holds more data than 1GB. Thats what i have to say. Don't use it.

gee, a cd is more compatable with a cd player? who'd a thunk it?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2003, 05:12:40 AM »

He makes it seem like it is already in use...

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2003, 09:23:02 AM »

I love Cartridges... I was royally ticked when when CDs became the norm. If carts come back, I'll be a happy man. Yup, I'll be giddy like a school man(huh?).

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2003, 09:25:25 AM »

EDIT: Whoops, I accidentally hit the reply button in that little "Quick Reply" box

Ian Sane · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2003, 09:48:30 AM »

If this truly replaced optical media then not only would Nintendo go back to cartridges but Sony and Microsoft would use them as well. If they replace optical media then almost nothing would use discs let alone consoles.

Though I think a fingertip-sized paper-thin chip is just begging to be lost. I don't want my movies, games and albums being lost in the couch cushions. There's realistically no reason for any usuable media to be that small. At that point it becomes inconvenient.

vudu · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2003, 10:57:41 AM »

i seriously doubt the you'd need a tweezers to change your games. the chips would (most likely) be in larger casing. have you ever opened up a n64 cartridge? they could have cut down on the size of the cartridges by a lot, if they had wanted to. the chips themselves were pretty small, but they made the cartridges bigger to make them more durable/easier to keep track of/etc.

Nintendo Gamecube · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2003, 11:32:29 AM »

I apologize for my post above, I didn't go to lnk because it was clickable. My bad.

But I'd love cartridges, just tell me the price isn't going to crank up...

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:11:56 PM »

I am guessing this is referring to carbon nanotubes. Doesn't really say, but they will see the light of day probablly 2009 or so, thats the earliest anyway. Probablly will take a while to trickle into PCs, but it should be adopted by high end servers, and the like within a year.

- NintendoFan - · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:13:05 PM »

Well, what I was thinking is that if they can hold 1 GB of data at the size of 1cm then if they made them lets say 5 - 10 cm then it could easily hold as much as a DVD.

BigJim · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:31:47 PM »

"Easily" being the debatable, as each slice of silicon will add to the production cost. Easy to do, yes, not easy to absorb the cost.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2003, 04:25:38 PM »

If this is carbon nanotube as I believe it is, try making that about 800GB on a 2.5CM squared wafer.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #17 on:** November 14, 2003, 06:53:57 PM »

Any idea of the mass production costs as compared to DVDs, ManUnited? All of this is news to me.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2003, 12:07:05 PM »

This will cost more than a DVD in production cost, but when it is released it should be at a point where it will represent several optical medium discs, and probablly will cost about 5 dollars per chip, depending on how it is manufactured. I suspect that it will also have much smaller capacties that could cost just under 85 cents, or about the price of an optical disc with the same relative storage. Difference being much much smaller.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2003, 06:26:21 PM »

It has often been said that Nintendo always had the right idea with cartridges, as they are better than CDs in every way, but they were way too far before their time. I am sure that Nintendo wants to get back to carts as much as myself and Koopa Troopa do, but there's just no practical way of doing it while keeping costs down right now.

But with technologies such as that, and the ability to print data on plain paper becoming more and more pronounced, optical media is bound to go the way of the cassette tape and the vinyl record within the next decade.

Personally though, I would trade it all for a good OLED monitor in the near future.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:04:12 AM »

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It has often been said that Nintendo always had the right idea with cartridges, as they are better than CDs in every way, but they were way too far before their time. I am sure that Nintendo wants to get back to carts as much as myself and Koopa Troopa do, but there's just no practical way of doing it while keeping costs down right now.

Yeah, it would be too expensive right now. I'm hoping that more advances are made in the next couple years that'll make cartridges an option again, atleast for game consoles. Obviously Sony/Microsoft can't do it, not if they want to do the whole "Home Entertainment System" thing, but if it somehow became cost effective, I think Nintendo could do it because they aren't tethered by the need to be compatible with someones DVD collection.

I'm dreaming, I know, but I can't help it

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But with technologies such as that, and the ability to print data on plain paper becoming more and more pronounced, optical media is bound to go the way of the cassette tape and the vinyl record within the next decade.

Excellent point... speaking of paper, I found this http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/e-ink.htm(Electronic Ink) awhile ago when I was searching for information about LCDs(its amazing what some of the things we use everyday are actually made of). I think E-Ink is just really awesome, trust me it is a good read. If I remember correctly it consumes roughly eighty times less power than LCDs, and only needs to be updated when something changes(i.e. in games, if the game is paused there wouldn't be any need to update, thereby saving power). It isn't fast enough for gaming yet(it is for video though; sorry I don't have a link to it anymore), but if it were fast enough it might be a really good option for the next GameBoy. These screens are supposed to be four times brighter than an LCD, so lighting would be easier I think. I don't know how this compares to OLEDs(in efficiency/cost), I'm still trying to find more information on both.

(I am now a frequent visitor of "howstuffworks.com")

kennyb27 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:29:26 PM »

I found howstuffworks.com last year during my Physics class. It's a great website and relatively easy to understand and read.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2003, 06:38:58 AM »

Yeah, it is a very good site. I like to go there first thing whenever I'm learning something new, the explanations are all really friendly (as opposed to most text-books), so it is a really nice way to get the ball rolling.

ThePerm · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2003, 05:40:13 PM »

also this type of chip will help other technologies besides cartriges...the future of technology is so amazine it makes me wonder what life will be like when im 30(hopefully....who knows anything bout their thread of fate?)...Jetsons?

Crono · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2003, 06:10:20 PM »

this might just be me. but i like optical media more. i dont know theres not really any reason i like optical better. the media is not what makes me buy a system its the games that are on the system. but i think nintendo should stick with optical unles the other consoles go to cartrige and have the gameboy advance use a more advanced cart on the next gameboy because if they dont it wont be able to compete with the psp in graphics wise but the system with the best graphics doesnt always win.

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