Author Topic: Lebron James (and other nba talk) (Read 8343 times)

nolimit19 · « **on:** October 31, 2003, 02:25:48 PM »

i dont know if anyone saw the suns and cavs game, but if the announcers kiss lebrons ass anymore, i will go crazy. in the 2nd quarter the stated "he is going to get a triple double this game". they said it like he had already gotten one. and of course he didnt end up geting one. we have seen guys over hyped out of exsistance time after time from penny, grant hill, chris webber, vince carter, and kobe bryant. none of them have ever lived up to their hype. although its hard to judge penny and hill because their careers were ruined by injuries. however the fact remains that every time the media has tried to hype up a player as the next jordan, they have always fallen short. i have to admit that this guys seems different. he is 18 and i seriously think that he is already better then kobe. kobe has the worst shot selection for anyone that has been in the league 8 years...PERIOD. lebron looks like he might just have what it takes to be a jordan type player. meaning just take over a game day in and day out. i know its only 2 games into the season, but the kid is fantastic. not an ounce of selfishness in him. he reminds me of penny before he blew out his knees 8 times....except better. i just wanted to know if anyone has seen him play or has an opinion. also who do you think will win it all this year. i think that if kobe leave the lakes, that they will end up winning it all. i think that he is too selfish to play with 3 other super stars, and that he would just slow them down. if kobe doesnt leave the lakers, then i would go with the t-wolves. go suns!

Shift Key · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:38:07 PM »

The fact that LeBron dominated high school baseketball, NOT college basketball, makes me very skeptical. My little brother has a LeBron singlet despite not knowing who he is, just because "he's awesome" or something. It's hard to judge the performance of someone based on what little experience he's had. Pre-season doesn't count. Wait until the midpoint of the season and see how the Cavs (not LeBron alone) are faring.

Penny and Hill were two players who had the potential to make others around them better. I am still a Magic fan, and have been since a young Shaquille O'Neal was drafted by the Magic. Despite the hard times recently (although McGrady has been one of the best in the league), hopefully Hill can string together a good part of the season, even off the bench, to take the Magic beyond the first round of the finals.

My tip for this year is San Antonio again. I haven't followed the off-season trades, but if Karl Malone (who went to the Lakers I think?) can bring back his All-Star form, the Lakers will win it. Unfortunately for the East, there is no one dominant team apart from the Nets, and they have lost the Finals the last two years.

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if kobe leave the lakes

More like if he doesn't get thrown in jail.

And there will only ever be one Michael Jordan.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:55:07 PM »

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And there will only ever be one Michael Jordan.

well said, but the media is still looking for someone that can dominate. and shaq (big men in general) doesnt really excite people. mostly because he has a 5 foot shot range and VERY generous calls from the refs. i think lebron could do it....that is be that next legit dominate player. obviously a lot can happen, and most would say that im not exactly going out on a limb by saying that, but i have never seen someone that has impressed me like that. consider that he came strait from high school. also consider other players first years when they came strait from high school....amare stoudomire has was the first rookie to come strait from high shcool and succeed his first year. and lebron looks better then he did a year ago. still a long season to go obviously, but VERY impressive so far. i just wish he didnt get so much hype from the media. its so rediculous. we see many over rated players in the nba because of all this type of stuff.

Pale · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2003, 06:42:09 PM »

I was incredibly skeptical about Lebron until I watched his first two games. I think the guy is amazing. My fantasy league was skeptical too seeing as he didn't go until like the 9th round...but I already traded for him because he is a delight to watch. The Cavs lost both of their first two games and he seemed honestly pissed off about it. That is saying a ton seeing as this guy signed over 100 mil in endorsement deals before he even set foot on the court. He is already set for life yet he is trule showing how much he loves the game. I think he will be huge, but I also think his time in cleveland will be short. He will become disgruntled with the losses, and Cleveland will use him to build the team by trading him for like 3-5 good players. Thats the way it always seems to go. In cleveland's favor though, their first two games were against quite good teams, even if Webber is hurt. Its odd that they started out on a west coast trip. I really think they will be able to do something in the weaker east conference and I bet they will make the playoffs. Prolly lose out in the first round though.. =/ But you are all right, its early....but the guy did what great players do... Had an amazing game stats wise while still looking like a team player. I think he has a lot of potential.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2003, 04:37:21 PM »

Coming from a Hornets' fan in NO, the Cavs now have a great and classy coach in Silas. If anyone could bring the youth together on that team, it would be him.

Back to LeBron. My biggest gripe against him, like was said, is the hype. For example, when the Magic and Knicks were playing the other night and they switched to the Cavs' game, the announcer (I forget who it was) said that he was worried they would have to watch another 5 minutes of the Magic, Knicks game. Now, the Magic game was about to go into overtime and was a great game to watch, but they had to change the broadcast so we could all make sure we saw Lebron step onto the court for the first time. Ridiculous.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2003, 05:08:17 PM »

What do people want more, a good game or the start of a bright career?

As for Lebron, you know people say that there was only one pele, only one babe, blah blah blah, but honestly, times have changed and there have been many players who dominated just like they did; but what you guys are doing is a little early.

Does Lebron have talent? Do you honestly think ANYONE throws out 100 million on hype? Hype goes a while but when you are getting to the point where you are wagering what they are hoping to be a quarter to a half billion people on one person, I think its safe to have some confidence in him. He started off strong, and even if he didn't get a triple double, he was still fairly impressive.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2003, 06:06:52 PM »

well very impressive, its just that we have seen player after player hyped into virtually nothing. i still hear people say kobe is the best player in the nba!! i cant believe that! if i could have one player to start a team to win a championship this year, he would not be on the list until at least 5....there is still all this hype around him and if you look at the lakers record with just him and no shaq last year, they wouldnt have even made the playoffs. he is so over rated it makes me sick. he is a good player no doubt, but he is not the greatest maybe not even great. kobe can not win without shaq. he is not the player he is hyped to be. and thats why i have to at least second guess all the hype around lebron. the guy is a stud though...so far. speaking of the lakers....they looked mortal tonight against my suns. and kobe was booed the whole night.

rpglover · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2003, 06:27:53 PM »

you're all crazy
the best player in the nba is Zydrunas Ilgauskas

nolimit19 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2003, 06:36:44 PM »

naw its stephon marbury. well i think he may be the best point in the league, but i think the best player is either garnet, duncan or shaq...it depends on if shaq is fat or if he came to play.

cheers69 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2003, 08:04:10 PM »

lebron james is bloody awesome and will be a superstar along with carmello anthony.

Doerr · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2003, 09:31:37 PM »

Well being a raptors fan I would have to say the Carter has impressed me this year.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2003, 05:14:24 AM »

There's no doubt Lebron is good. However, the way I judge "greatness" is how they lead. Michael Jordan led his Bulls 6 championships in the 90s. John Elway in his final year willed his Broncos to the Superbowl win by diving over the endzone line and taking a couple vicious hits at the same time. Brett Favre makes everyone on his team a superstar, just look at his receivers in the past, Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, and even now Donald Driver? None of them were superstars.

I'll reserve judgement on "King James's" greatness until playoffs.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2003, 06:33:44 AM »

well he is only 18, but i think from what we have seen so far, despite his 8 point preformance last night, that he is probably the best player to come out of high school to date. carmelo is definitely impressing me too. i just hope the lakers dont won another championship.

Shift Key · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2003, 12:56:35 PM »

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Do you honestly think ANYONE throws out 100 million on hype?

Quite frankly yes. The companies will buy into the hype to sell their product, the public sees the product and said sponsorship, increases curiosity and sales of product, and the snowball effect starts. It happened with MJ (think where McDonalds and Nike would be if it weren't for the star power of MJ - certainly not retaining huge popularity today).

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a good game or the start of a bright career?

It's the hype thing again.

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Carter has impressed me this year.

Wow! So your a fan of injured benchwarmers too? I thought I was the only one

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kobe is the best player in the nba!!

Best INDIVIDUAL player perhaps. But he's just not the great clutch player he was hyped to be. They were calling him the next MJ, but MJ was great while making everyone around him great too. Whoever can do that on a regular basis will be the next dynasty. I can't see any of the current teams (aside from Duncan) being able to do that.

And what do you Yanks know/think about Shane Heal? (the Aussie backup guard for the Spurs) I think he's all mouth personally, but he has a freaky outside shot which he can hit from practically anywhere.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2003, 04:40:57 PM »

i havent seen the aussi play, but ginobli is hella tight......but to clarify....i dont think kobe is the best player in the nba. i think its sad that people think that. and i think the only reason people think that is because of HYPE. we see nobodys get 20 million dollar endorsements all the time. the company is taking a risk in hope that the player becomes popular and people will buy their product because of it. so 100 mill in endorsements means nothing.

cheers69 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 02, 2003, 11:18:24 PM »

did anyone see gerald wallaces dunk in the preseason? he is out of control

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #16 on:** November 03, 2003, 01:16:33 AM »

watching basketball is something I consider to be very painful. I truly hate the game.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 03, 2003, 03:23:46 AM »

who is gerald wallace, and who does he play for?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #18 on:** November 03, 2003, 03:31:59 AM »

The Sacramento Kings...Of course, I didn't know that myself...I had to ask my sport-loving roommate...

Pale · « **Reply #19 on:** November 03, 2003, 07:49:59 AM »

I can't stand kobe and the lakers....they are a plague on the league just as the yankees are in mlb. Its disgusting when teams can buy a championship...it cheapens everything else and I hope to god they are like the yankees and their losses continue...as for cool upcoming stars... anyone watch cabrakaba (sp?) for the suns? He is a riot to watch and I think he could be something special if he keeps it up. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this, but I'm trying to get everyone to start calling him the chupakabra (again sp?)... =P

(sorry I'm too lazy to look the spelling up...)

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 03, 2003, 12:23:43 PM »

100 million dollars nothing? Hardly. Are they gambling? yes. Will they make it up in merchandise? most probablly. Does the guy have talent? Sales deal less with talent than image.

I will take it to a sport I am more familiar, soccer.

David Beckham is probablly the best known soccer player on the face of the planet, but he is far from the best player in the world. Even without him Manchester has been a powerhouse, and honestly they haven't added anyone new, except letting Tim Howard play in keeper more. Beckham still dwarfs merchandising of most other players, everyone is probablly more true.

The point is, your saying 'he's not that good,' and your working from 2 or 3 games. Give the guy some time before you say 'He's not worth it, blah blah'

nolimit19 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 03, 2003, 05:03:09 PM »

Zarko Cabarkapa has lots of potential and i hope he can step up for my suns. his english reminds me of shaqs...its quite funny actually.....whAHHAHAHA...

cheers69 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 03, 2003, 08:56:10 PM »

so many bandwagon people go for man u and i suppose chelsea now.

Shift Key · « **Reply #23 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:24:41 AM »

Calling those teams bandwagons is just ignorance.

*points cheers to the topic title*
And I don't see ManU and Chelsea playing in the NBA at the moment!
Check the topic before you flame away.

The Blue Baron · « **Reply #24 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:39:48 PM »

GO CELTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and LeBron James!!!!!!!!!!!!

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