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« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2003, 07:05:37 AM »
How about Golden Sun?  Is that not original content or what?  And I absolutely loved it...

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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2003, 07:25:26 AM »
Golden Sun is a GBA game.  I'm talking about Gamecube.  And even if they are working on something original why have them work on Mario Golf and Tennis in the first place when they could get more original content out faster if they weren't working on spinoffs?  I'm just saying that Nintendo would have a more varied lineup if they weren't so spinoff happy.

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« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2003, 07:48:34 AM »
Its a double edged sword for Nintendo.  If they handled Mario Golf and Tennis themselves, and let Camelot work on other projects, people would be complaing about not having Mario golf or Tennis yet.  On the other hand, which is Ian sanes argument, it severely limits these companies output with their own products.  Nintendo just need to find small dev houses that are not known yet, and let them create something original.  That would definately help with the variety factor.  There are plenty of great ideas out there for games.  Hell, i have 50 or so myself.  So i'm sure theres a small upstart company looking to get its foot in the door.
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« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2003, 07:55:30 AM »
"If they handled Mario Golf and Tennis themselves, and let Camelot work on other projects, people would be complaing about not having Mario golf or Tennis yet."

Who says those games have to be made period?  My whole arguement is that there are too many spinoffs.  If they limited Mario to just the platforming games and Mario Kart I would have no problem.  Does there have to be a new Mario Party every year for example?

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« Reply #79 on: October 30, 2003, 09:38:54 AM »
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Who says those games have to be made period? My whole arguement is that there are too many spinoffs. If they limited Mario to just the platforming games and Mario Kart I would have no problem. Does there have to be a new Mario Party every year for example?


Because the demand is there for the games to be made.  There will be a new Mario Party every year until we die as long as it sells.  I mean the drinking games alone are reason enough to own Mario Party.  And Mario Tennis rules!
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« Reply #80 on: October 30, 2003, 09:58:05 AM »
Not to mention that some forms of games would of never took off if they weren't a spin off of a popular franchise. The Kart games would be a good example.
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« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2003, 10:00:47 AM »
Mario Tennis is a highly acclaimed game, and Mario Party sells like hotcakes...Plain and simple...
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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2003, 10:32:48 AM »
"Mario Tennis is a highly acclaimed game, and Mario Party sells like hotcakes...Plain and simple..."

Nothing on Gamecube has sold like hotcakes.  Nothing comparible to the big N64 sellers anyway.  I'm just saying that, as good as these games are, having a billion Mario spinoffs makes the Cube library very one-dimensional.  If Nintendo concentrated on more original games it would have more variety and thus would be more appealing to the average person who isn't gaga over Mario.  Although YOU and most Nintendo fans (including myself to a point) like the endless Mario and Pokemon spinoffs not everyone feels the same way.  I think Cube sales reflect that sticking to the mascots doesn't drawn in buyers like it used to.

I'm not saying those games are crap.  I'm just suggesting a way for Nintendo to have a more varied lineup and attract a wider audience with their next console.

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« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2003, 10:40:34 AM »
Ian you nailed it on that one
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« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2003, 11:00:31 AM »
I could live without a new Mario Golf or Mario Party every generation if Nintendo did it. Well... at least without Mario Golf. One Mario Party per systems is good enough for me, or at the very least a new iteration of Super Monkey Ball.

I didn't know that the 1080 people were an American company, but I guess it makes sence looking at their products. I hope the new one sells well, but it seems kinda dumb to put out with SSX3 on the streets now. I'd kill for a GC Golden Sun. Wasn't there a rummer of one at some point? I remember hearing that Camelot was making a GC RPG. Oh well, time will tell.  

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« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2003, 11:26:59 AM »
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The big differance is that this is microsoft's FIRST attempt at a console and they already have captured the same market share as Nintendo worldwide and have surpassed them in NA.


Compare Microsoft's first foray into home consoles with Nintendo and Sony's- is it really anything to be talking about? And in both those instances their success was achieved without hype.  
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« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2003, 12:01:58 PM »
"Compare Microsoft's first foray into home consoles with Nintendo and Sony's- is it really anything to be talking about?"

That's a cool point I never thought of before.  Nintendo and Sony became the market leader on their first try.  Microsoft's first effort is more akin to Sega's Master System.

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« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2003, 12:15:55 PM »
That is a good point, everyone is tallking about how unsuccesfull Nintendos Cube has been, but hardly any mention of Xbox's mediocre launch into the console biz is made.   The Xbox is losing money overall, you can't say the same thing about the Cube.  Peoples scale for success and failure seems very scewed to me.

I know this is all supposedly part of MS master plan, and they like to use the 'loss leader' to gain market share.  But, to say that the one system that is making money for the company is not doing as well as the system that is losing money sounds crazy to me.

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« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2003, 12:52:17 PM »
"Compare Microsoft's first foray into home consoles with Nintendo and Sony's- is it really anything to be talking about? And in both those instances their success was achieved without hype. "

With the domination Sony had at the time of the x-box release it didnt stand a chance. The fact the MS has made the x-box a household name, even with Sony being as dominant as they are, says a lot for it. I am not saying the x-box is better than the cube, or the PS2, all I am saying is that MS has impressed me by making the box as well known as it is, especially when you figure in the sheer amount of people who hate MS thanks to windows.

I also agree with Ian, the time has come to let Mario slowly slip into the darkness. I am sick of all the sequals, and spin offs that we see, and not just by Nintendo, everyone is on the action. Be it movies, games, tv, everyone is simply trying to cash in, and in most cases originality is lost because of it.

I look at it like this, I really dont care what ends up happening next generation. Would I like Nintendo to do well, Yes, because I really like their hardware, it is their games that no longer seem to do it for me, that is why for people like me to stay with nintendo they need to get and keep as much third party support as possible. I f not, so be it, I feel just as good playing games on any system as long as I like the game.
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« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2003, 12:54:04 PM »
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« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2003, 01:09:31 PM »
"I also agree with Ian, the time has come to let Mario slowly slip into the darkness."

Hey I never said fade Mario out completely.  I just think they should give the spinoff habit a rest.  The Mario platformers should always be a part of Nintendo's lineup.

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« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2003, 01:14:59 PM »
Nintendo had a monopoly on the industry with the NES, but that didn't seem to stop Sega from taking away half the market from them- Sony's dominion is no excuse for Microsoft's poor entry.

While I agree that Nintendo needs to diversify, they already are to some extent. And besides that, you can't act like your opinion on Nintendo's games is the way it IS. Nintendo's lack or constant originality is not the reason for poor sales, either- the same old crap sells over and over again on other systems. Not to say that it ISN'T a problem, not at all, just that it isn't THE problem. The real reason Nintendo's isn't doing as good as they should is lack of 3rd party support- Nintendo has a particular style of games, as does every developer, and without the necessary 3rd parties to fill in the of the gaps, the only people Nintendo's consoles really attract are Nintendo fans. It really goes back to what Ty said- people don't buy a PS2 for Sony's 1st and 2nd party games, they buy it for the massive amount of variation among the 3rd party titles- there's quite literally something there for everyone, and reaching as many people as possible is what has made the PS2 so popular. You can see this to a smaller extent on the XBox- while it's 3rd party support is much weaker than the PS2's, it's still stronger than the Gamecubes, and I think that's really the only reason Microsoft has made it this far. When you think about it, you're expecting Nintendo to provide the same diversity seen on the PS2 by literally hundreds of 3rd parties by themselves, and if you ask me, they're doing a tremendois job of it. I SERIOUSLY doubt Sony or Microsoft would be doing near as well as Nintendo is given the same amount of 3rd party support- in fact, I think they'd outright fail, so it's a testament to Nintendo's force that they've continued as successfully as they have despite being basically the only major supporter of their consoles. If Nintendo can win back the 3rd party support they had in the NES and SNES days, there would be nothing to keep them from dominating the industry. But until then, they're only attracting fans of their own quirky style, and although it's gotten them this far, they're going to need some real 3rd party support if they expect to go any further.

"Hey I never said fade Mario out completely. I just think they should give the spinoff habit a rest. The Mario platformers should always be a part of Nintendo's lineup."

With that I definitely agree- Nintendo is relying too much on their characters to keep them going, which is not only the reason I think people are getting sick of them but also the reason they have trouble introducing new characters. That's why I was pretty dissapointed that Nintendo's drum game, which is a great way to diversify, is being based in the Donkey Kong franchise, and although it doesn't have as many spinoffs as Mario does, now is definitely not the time to start. I was also really against this Tetra Trackers game- up until now Zelda has always remained pure, with no money grabbing spinoffs. I think Nintendo's afraid that if they don't incorporate their tried and true characters, certain games will fail, but I think that they'd find that with a little push that quite simply isn't true. I understand games like Mario Tennis and Golf are very well made games, but what's to keep them from being their own franchises with their own characters?
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« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2003, 01:24:41 PM »
"Nintendo had a monopoly on the industry with the NES, but that didn't seem to stop Sega from taking away half the market from them- Sony's dominion is no excuse for Microsoft's poor entry."

Yeah but that didn't happen until the 16 bit generation.  How do we know that MS won't do the same thing next gen?

"Nintendo has a particular style of games, as does every developer, and without the necessary 3rd parties to fill in the of the gaps, the only people Nintendo's consoles really attract are Nintendo fans."

Treasure, Camelot, and Hudson ARE third parties.  So why are they just making more Mario games instead of filling in the gaps like Nintendo needs third parties to do?

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« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2003, 01:35:26 PM »
"Treasure, Camelot, and Hudson ARE third parties. So why are they just making more Mario games instead of filling in the gaps like Nintendo needs third parties to do?"

because Nintendo wants to try and tell third parties what they can and cant do. Give them licenses and let them make whatever the hell they want.  Every week when I go to my local block buster I see NIN section getting smaller and smaller as they make room for more ps2 and x-box titles. I will use freedom fighters as an example, they have for both PS2 and Box, but no cube, when I asked them why, they said, because nothing rents worth a damn for the gamecube.

How do you get NIN loyalists to try other games? Most people write off anything third party as junk even before it released, I see it here all the time. The same goes the other way as well, many non nintendo fans, think anything released by NIN will be kiddy without even trying it. So how do they win here?
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« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2003, 01:45:28 PM »
Word.. I don't rent though, I buy (and sell if I have to).

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« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2003, 01:48:12 PM »
"I will use freedom fighters as an example, they have for both PS2 and Box, but no cube, when I asked them why, they said, because nothing rents worth a damn for the gamecube."

I think that's a different issue.  I find that most rental stores decided that the Cube wasn't worthshile before it was released and never had a decent Cube selection.  This naturally led to less rentals.  It was self-fulfilling prophecy.  I rarely rent Cube games from Blockbuster because they have never EVER from the very start had a good Gamecube selection so I rent from somewhere else.  I feel that part of the reason the Cube isn't as popular as it perhaps should be is because some stores and rental places treated it as a non-contender from the beginning which had an effect on the customers.

I think that if Nintendo did a big promotional thing with Blockbuster for the N5 launch (maybe some rent before you buy promotion or Blockbuster gets rental units before the system goes on sale) then that by itself would greatly help the low rentals issue and get some hype going.

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« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2003, 01:57:21 PM »
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I think that if Nintendo did a big promotional thing with Blockbuster for the N5 launch (maybe some rent before you buy promotion or Blockbuster gets rental units before the system goes on sale) then that by itself would greatly help the low rentals issue and get some hype going.


As I recall, Ninty–Buster relations are at ZERO. If they struck a deal like THAT though....man I would so go there every time I want to rent a movie and/or game. Wait....that's pracitcally my only option anyways. Anyways, they should do that. I will be happy. If I am happy, no one gets hurt! Therefore, everyone (although in a constant state of fear) is HAPPY!

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« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2003, 02:04:12 PM »
"Treasure, Camelot, and Hudson ARE third parties. So why are they just making more Mario games instead of filling in the gaps like Nintendo needs third parties to do?"

They're all like miniature versions of Nintendo, though- even Sega, arguably Nintendo's biggest supporter, appeals to the same group of people. They;re not reaching new and varied groups of people. I'm talking about a diverse group of 3rd parties, not only from Japan, but from America and Europe, as well, and not just the big ones (although that's a start), but just about every 3rd party out there. It's those little companies that usually make the niche games Ty was talking about.  
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« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2003, 04:05:30 PM »
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Nintendo had a monopoly on the industry with the NES, but that didn't seem to stop Sega from taking away half the market from them- Sony's dominion is no excuse for Microsoft's poor entry.


Half the market?  The only time Sega made any inkling of headway was when they released the Genesis first, beating Nintendo to the punch.  By the time the SNES was out 6 months, Nintendo regained their stranglehold on the market, and Genesis was a very distant second.
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That is a good point, everyone is tallking about how unsuccesfull Nintendos Cube has been, but hardly any mention of Xbox's mediocre launch into the console biz is made. The Xbox is losing money overall, you can't say the same thing about the Cube. Peoples scale for success and failure seems very scewed to me.

Who the hell said any of that in this thread?  The fact that MS even made a dent with the Xbox is remarkable to me, and thats all thats really been stated by numerous people here.  
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Compare Microsoft's first foray into home consoles with Nintendo and Sony's- is it really anything to be talking about? And in both those instances their success was achieved without hype.
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A couple of problems with that .  Nintendo went unchallenged when they released the NES.   Atari,Coleco vision and intellivision were dead.  If you were to buy a gaming machine, the NES was the only choice.  And would you admit that hype has become a mainstay in the last 10 years, moreso than 20 years ago?  With the advent of the net, and the growing sales of game systems, budgets also rose , which in turn spurred on more in your face, and more frequent, advertising.  You cant compare 20years ago to 2 years ago.  Things have gotten so much bigger, its just not even close.
And if you dont think the Playstation was hyped, it most definately was.  There were commercials galore all bragging about 32 bit and the CD medium.  I remember, because at the time , i had my trusty SNES, and i just kept seeing ads for Playstation all over the place.  
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Nothing on Gamecube has sold like hotcakes


I'm quite certain Mario party sold a ton in Japan, and did well here.  I'm not saying a million copies, but i bet it sold in the top ten of GC games for the year.
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« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2003, 04:10:16 PM »
So George Harrison is alive... if that darn John Lennon hadn't been shot then the Beatles could get back together!!!

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