Topic: the end of humanity

[nolimit19]

well its not quite the end, but its the deterioration at best. the Federal Communications Commission just ruled that the "f" word can be used on network television. its absolutely rediculous. its one thing to have it in a movie or on a cd, even on cable. but on public air waves......this is outrageuous. when will we say..."ok we need to have some sort of moral fortitude". im telling you now....the need for morals will come eventually and in a form no one will like.....and our rights will be the victim. we are suffering big time from lack of morals in the us...people tihnk they should be able to do whatever they want as long as they arent hurting someone else....but all the "bad" things you do hurt someone else. the use of profanity is used by people who are just not smart enough to think of other words. simple as that. the standards will keep getting lower, and soon there will be none. and like i said, it wont be pretty. this isnt even a religious thing, its a common sense thing.

http://www.antimusic.com/news/03/oct/item13.shtml

[AdvancedGamer]

The FCC stated in their ruling, “The word 'f---ing' my be crude and offensive, but, in the context presented here, did not describe sexual or excretory organs or activities. Rather, the performer used the word 'f---ing' as an adjective or expletive to emphasize an exclamation.


I totally agree... when used in the right way "F" is just a term to really emphasize something. It's just an adjective describing something, even though it may sound a little too "strong." If something crazy happened or something and I said that's f---ing awesome would that offend you. It sure wouldn't offend me. It might offend you if you were a parent with a little kid next to you but other than that why would it bother you. Does the word freaking bother you? Thats freaking awesome!!! See that offends no one... its the same thing. Now you would be offended (maybe) if I called you a freak. You would be offended if I used it in a provacitve way by saying f--k you or I f--ked her last night because that sounds horrible.

Anyway I'm just trying to make a point and don't get offended...as the French author and deist Voltaire once said: " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I am interested to see others opinions on this matter.  

[Grey Ninja]

YES!!!!  FINALLY!!!!!

It's been pissing me off for years that we can show boobs on TV, we can show people getting killed on TV, and all kinds of other crap, but we can't f***ing swear on TV.  I almost flew into a homicidal rage the other day when I was watching one of the Lethal Weapon movies on TV, and I discovered that they censored the scene where Murtaugh's daughter is in the condom commercial.  It was still there, but they changed all the wording.  I was VERY pissed off.

Last I heard, profanity never hurt nobody, and I am pleased to see that the FCC finally agrees.  Bloody wankers.

[Bill Aurion]

"The privilege of absurdity; to which no living creature is subject, but man only" -Hobbes

[ThePerm]

Fuzz!

[KnowsNothing]

*gasps*

BANS THEPERM AND EXILES HIM TO SIBERIA

[ThePerm]

Fuzz!

[Termin8Anakin]

What, can't ANYNODY swear on commercial TV over there?
Over here, if you have the movie on at prime time or later at night, then any swear word is allowed.
Last year, channel 7 aired Die HArd, which I taped, but I realised that they censored it, so when McClane says "Yippee Kai-yay Mutha f**ker", it became just simple "Yipee Kai-yay". This pissed me off a bit.
However, since then, Die Hard and all other movies have been aired UNcensored, which is a relief. There has been exceptions, where the f word is used as part of a joke, like in Speed when Keanu Reeves looks under the bus and sees the bomb, and says "F**k me!", and the guy on the phone relaying the info to Jeff Daniels says with reluctance "Oh Darn". Hahaha.

Like they said, in the right context, the f word is simply used to emphasize a point.

I thought nolimit was saying that they allowed the use of the f word IN GENERAL to be used at ANY TIME. THAT'S when it would be the end of humanity.

One thing i am also VERY annoyed about is the way harmless children's shows (especially those aimed at girls), can become a hive of activity that parents don't want their kids exposed to, like sexual content.
There are two shows I'm talking about:
Lizzie McGuire and one show made here called The Saddle Club.
The thing with these shows is that, of course, the female stars grow up.
So while Hilary Duff and the girls of Saddle Club may be young and sweet when the show first started, now that they are older (Duff is what, 16 or 17 now and the Saddle Club girls are like 14 or 15), their clothes get shorter and tighter and, in the case of the Saddle Club, the girl's interests move from horses and riding them, to boys and what to wear when going out.
A great influence on young pre-teen girls I'm sure, like my 8 year old cousin, whose favourite CD is her new Hilary Duff album, which features pics of her in revealing singlets, gold chains, a tartan mini skirt, and salon-styled hair.
I see girls as young as 5 wearing low cut jeans and denim jackets with PLATFORM BOOTS for crying out loud!

UGH.

SO while it is inevitable that young people are influence buy the things around them, I just wanted to say something about it.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: Oh, and if parents actually WANT to dress their young girls like 18 year olds, then please, don't blame me if their kids are involved in underage porn and rape cases.

THAT, for me, is when it's the end of the world, figuratively speaking.  

[nolimit19]

profanity never hurt anyone except the countless amouts of fights, road rage, and verbal altercations that have stemmed from it. and like so many things, its not this act of saying "its ok to use the f word" that makes me mad, but its the slow trend that is just breaking down every last bit of moral fiber we have left. another example of this is gun control. the nra will fight the smallest regualtion on guns not because they think its a bad idea, but once one gets passed, there is no turning back. i will admit i cuss. but there is a time and a place. and public brodcasting (which by the way, does not have boobs under normal circumstances) is not a place to have the f word. there are kids watching it. this is a society where its nearly impossible to give a kid any moral guidence without some liberal shoving something down your throat. obviously everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they are called bad words for a reason. lol  

[mouse_clicker]

F*** is just a word, no different from any other entry in the extensive English language, and words have no meaning except those taken on by the listener. If people have a problem hearing it on network tv, that's their problem- no one's forcing them to watch the show.

In any case, just because the FCC ruled the word CAN be used on network TV doesn't mean it WILL be. Technically cable has been allowed say the word uncensored all along, but they know they'll probably lose a lot of viewers if they do, which is why you hardly ever see it except really late at night in very special cases.

[Moonwatcher]

I was getting ready to write a rant but mouse_clicker stole my words.

[The Omen]

I think it's a little ridiculous too.  The reasoning makes no sense.  'Well, it only meant this and not that, so its okay'  Isn't the word still the same?  If a kid hears it, does he know that it was just to add emphasis?  Of course not.  Now were going to start micro-managing curse words?  'No, Timmy, you can say it if you're using it to add emphasis, but not this way'   If they're going to let it on air, just let everything on, don't give me this lame excuse.  You can't even say jerkoff, but you can exclaim f**k! ?  You can say ass, but not ass****.  It doesnt add up.

Youth is wasted on the young

[Ocarina Blue]

Well, swear words always eventualy get demoted to slang/swear words. Words that children could have been punished for a decade ago are merley slang now. It's the nature of language.

[nolimit19]

just words...how dumb can people be....i know i could piss any one off in here with just a few simple words....and to say it's your fault because you read it is pure stupidity. now if you could hear my words, i know i could push ANYONE here into fighting me without touching them. i am a SH!T talker for sure. and to say words are just words is dumb. it is the say we communcate as a species. everything we know is because of words. down playing our language is just plain ignorant. language is so important that teh french governement has taken steps in preserving its language. say what you like about them, but they're doing it. and to say....ohhh it doesnt matter because its just a word....what if i were to call you mom a dirty c*nt...or to drop some racial slurs.....absolutely rediculous. words are just words...thats like saying money is just money...or air is just air.....makes no sense....its completely contradicting. or maybe...getting hit in the face with a baseball bat is just getting hit in the face with a baseball bat. now i realize they said...."o as long as its used with this behind it, its ok"....but i guarentee that the standard will just drop again soon enough. its like a race to see who can lose all their morals first. i believe nbc and fox are fighting it out for first right now. and also...whoever said cable doesnt use cuss words except late at night is wrong....simply not true. all sorts of things are said on hbo for instance...i guess its your definition of late, but to me...i am tlaking anytime before 10 at night. and yes i am sure (like i said earlier) that they wont use it much starting right now. that is irrelavent though. think back to 10 years ago...i know some of you were babies then, but the tv was very different then. in 10 years it will be there will be cussing all over and 20 years it will probably just be all porn....but who cares its just sex  

[Termin8Anakin]

you know, i'm inclined to agree with nolimit.
I think it would be SO weird if in 20 years time, there was a documentary about the 'beginning of the 21st century', and it mentions how sheltered we were as a viewing public.

Stay tuned, however, for News in Briefs with Britney Timberlake, then GEX: Gut Eruption Extreme 5 starring Arnold Stallone for the Saturday morning movie.  

[Ian Sane]

I am opposed to censorship.  I always have been and I normally have a conservative Christian outlook on most issues.  My main problem with censorship is that whenever it is implemented the censors take it to far and end up ruining what I would consider art.  I'm not a fan of people painting over the nudity on the Sistine Chapel ceiling or putting pants on Michaelangelo's David.

However I can sympathize with parents who don't want their kids watching shows with gorey violence and "f*cks" dropped every ten seconds.  I know I won't want my kids being exposed to that sort of thing at a young age.  However that doesn't mean everything has to be censored.  I don't know how it is in America but in Canada tv shows are given ratings and a little ratings logo appears in the top corner of the screen after every commercial break.  In the case of 13+ or 18+ rated shows often (depending on the network I find) a warning message is displayed detailing the content shown.  It's not much different then the ESRB which I generally support (though I often disagree with some of their ratings).  One local channel actually has managed to show R-rated movies, uncut, during prime time because they displayed the 18+ logo and had a warning message after every commercial break.  It's a great way to do it because a viewer is warned about content and can make the choice themselves.  If kids are still seeing "inappropriate" content it becomes the parents fault.

[Grey Ninja]

Ian Sane, I was brought up with little to no censorship.  It's made profanity an integral part of my vocabulary, and I think it's given me a more open mind regarding many issues.  I am totally opposed to censorship, as I see little to be gained from it.

[nolimit19]

well when all you see is negative things, you will be more negative. and it goes back to the old thing that you are affected by whats around you no matter what the extreme left likes to say. its a fact and deal with it. if you arent affected by the things around you then why do we have emotions....its an absolutely idiotic concept dreamt up by some loser gamer somewhere whose mom wouldnt let him play doom. now im not saying that there isnt a place for all the cussing in the media, but just not on public owned tv(or radio). thats the key issue here for me. i dont think certain things should be censored...for instance, when they executed american troops in iraq, i think they should have shown it. why hide the reality.....in contrast, the networks are using publically owned air waves for their programs....and you cant go into public places and just start cussing....well you can, but you could be arrested, or fined. and like i said everyone in the world(besides def people) have been affected by bad words in a negative way. if you can look me in the eye and say that you have never been offended by a bad word at any point in your life, then you lie too easily and should be flogged for everyone elses good. and i do agree that such master pieces as Michaelangelo's David should not be censored, but that is a different issue. this particular issue is about cussing in a public place and proper conduct in public. and to me cussing, ESPECIALLY THE F WORD, has no place in public. and cussing makes you niether more open minded nor more intelligent...another absurd statement. well maybe not, but i would like some examples...but again that is besides the point...i cuss...its not so much about cussing as it is about if its ok to do it in front of whoever whenever.  

[Grey Ninja]

nolimit, I had this discussion a long time ago with Mouse Clicker.  If you really want to know why I think that swearing is a perfectly acceptable and smarter thing to do than to forbid yourself from using a good portion of our language, then go look up that thread.  In the meantime, you can go back to your tea and biscuits, and I will go back to killing people and swearing at them in America's Army.

[manunited4eva22]

Oh give me a break, you can say anything in the right form and it will cause a fight.  The worst that comes from profanity is making someone think, wow he's a meeny, let me go write about how my life sucks on my blog.

[Bill Aurion]

OK, I'm not a goody two-shoes, and I occasionally use foul language(though I very rarely use the words b**** and f***, and even then never directed at someone), but I know where the line should be drawn.  I just have to ask: What does profanity add to the entertainment value of a product?  If you can honestly say, "A big part," then something is very wrong with you.  Sure, it's fine in movies at times, because it adds to the realism, but let's take a look at rap music.  I just don't see how listening to a guy cursing through half the song can be entertaining.  Now I see kids, around 5 or 6, cursing at their friends while trying to sing rap songs, or see them reinacting their "favorite" bad-mouthed character from the latest action movie...It's just wrong.  I know the parents play a large part in this, but the entertainment industry has gone way too far in my book.  Britney Spears, little girl role model turned slut, is a great example.  My little sister was one of those poor girls affected(she was 10 at the time) by the "mature" appeal that BS gained overtime.  Lizzie Whatever was also a very good example...I'm afraid that, no matter how hard I try, I will not be able to keep my child veiled from the corruption that leaks from the entertainment industry...If it not by taking it on first-hand, it will be second-hand by the people he or she will will meet in school, etc...

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[KnowsNothing]

I agree.

*nods head*

I think what Bill said is true, but I also think what MC said about fuhk being just a word is true, also.  I really don't know what to think.  I'll shut up now.

[mouse_clicker]

No, you didn't have that discussion with me, ninja. I was saying I'd rather comedians prove they're funny withOUT profanity before they actually use it, since comedians who fall back on profanity for a quick and easy laugh are completely and utterly uncreative in my opinion. I don't care if you use swear words in your everyday vocabulary- I too am against censorship on the whole, and I swear quite a bit in my every day speech (although people who do it all the time appear unintelligent to me). As I said, I'm all for the repealing of the ban of the word f*** from network TV.

[nolimit19]

well obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....and no bad words arent just going to make someone think "o he is a meany". like i said language is the way we communicate. without it, we would just be hairless monkeys. all this globalization bs, has made us lose our ability to properly comunicate with others. so we have people using cuss words because they are no smarter then monkeys. im not talking about anyone here, but there is this false sense of realism in america. that people in movies that cuss all the time are normal everyday people, and that they are cool and frequent in society. or somehow that it is more real if there is cussing involved. that is simply not true. in fact most forms of media are DRAMATIZED to make them more interesting....so in a sense, they are LESS REALISTIC. i know that may be shocking for people who live in front of their computer and tv, but if you actually go out and have a social life, you realize that what you see in all forms of media is a distortion of reality. and whats funny is all you idiots that say these things dont affect you and yet for some reason you have been brainwashed into thinking this sh!t is real......


back to the point though...you cant cuss in public, why can you cuss on public tv...a complete double standard that needs to stop. and if anyone can answer why that double standard is ok, then i would agree that maybe its ok to have the f word on public broadcasting.  until then i will laugh because i know i am right. i mean if censorship is bad, then you should be able to run around naked at preschools. "YOU DONT WANT TO HIDE KIDS FROM REALITY!! THERE ARE NAKED PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD, THE SOONER THE KIDS ARE EXPOSED TO THEM, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE AS A COUNTRY!!!" i mean seriously think this through....whats the difference from censoring and normal laws. we need order. people just cant say whatever whenever. i like how a lot of my questions were dodged and not answered...they are simply not answerable.

again back to the point. the key here is that network telivision is on public air waves. i dont think you understnad that. meaning not private.....meaning it is subject to public standards. do you understnd what any of these words mean or would you like me to cuss it out for you. well hopefully i pissed people off and got my point across, but in all honesty....i respect everyones opinion, even if i dont show it at times....

[Termin8Anakin]

Ninja, seriously, if profanity and such other extremities DON'T bother you, then good for you - it doesn't mean that it shouldn't bother anyone else.

I mean, for example, when you go to a job interview, do you laugh, slap the interviewer's back and say: "Hey man, i need this job so f**king much cause i need to pay my f**king bills, you understand right? Hahaha see ya later pal."
No...
Sure it'll give the guy an impression that you're laid back and can get along with people, but given the situation, it's not appropriate. So you say you were brought up with profanity an so on, but you DO know when and where it's appropriate when to and not to swear right?
If you don't, then thats a problem.

Likewise, just because the f word has been allowed for a show, doesn't mean it should be allowed for all shows. Teaching kids profanity at a young age (which will never happen) doesn't mean that they will be better off. They won't know when it's appropriate to say it or not - for example, if Elmo starts cussing, kids will think it's ok to cuss too. If Hilary Duff starts wearing skin tight clothes that get 20 year old guys reaching up her skirt, then of course some girls, maybe even MOST of them will think it's ok - and that it's ok for guys to act that way.

It's just the standards, Ninja, and the appropriateness.
I'm not against you (and don't think that i am), I'm just against your standing on censorship.
Sure it sucks in some cases (like in movies), but it's there for a reason.