Topic: Band Talk 101

[DarkRockerX]

The first topic I'd like to get across is about bands which have changed for the better. What do you guys think of Limp Bizkit? I think their new change is really good. I like their new rock feel to their music. I think they've changed for the better. Fred Durst is still sort of a stuck up person, but you start to see what his feelings are actually like on Results May Vary. They've definately matured.

Another thing is...what the hell happened to grunge rock? Grunge rock is so rare to find now, its frikkin amazing.

Just in case you guys didn't know, I'm the old GCNMasterX. I decided to change my name because I got a new email address.

[Ian Sane]

I think Limp Bizkit has gotten better but they're still far from what I would consider a decent band.  That's more of personal opinion then a serious critique of their talent though.  I find that most current rock music just doesn't click with me.  Most current songs come across as generic noise carefully marketed to make teenagers think they're cool if they listen to it.  There's also way too much overproduction and as a result nothing sounds like a real instrument.  It's kind of depressing because I'm only 21 and already I'm not "with it".  I'm like Grandpa Simpson.

As for grunge I think the reason it's not so common anymore is the same reason that nobody makes music like they did in 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s.  Times change, the audience changes, and certain types of music doesn't sell anymore.  I'm perfectly cool with it since I don't want a bunch of wannabe acts pissing on the legacy of bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden anyway.  Everything has it's time and place and once the originals take their bow that style fades out.  Otherwise you get a situation like in the 80s when everyone was still trying to be Led Zeppelin.

[manunited4eva22]

Blah, I am an older music fan.

I tend to listen to music that has its own sound, not just a toyed with sound.  I think music as a whole has gone down since the massive record companies have taken over.  They spend so much time trying to find out what we like that they forget that the best bands in history did so on their own.  Just put their talent out there and look what happens.

Blah, I just got electricuted can't really talk, I will be back.

[nolimit19]

reject the main stream. well i dont like most main stream stuff. jack johnson owns. dashboard unpugged, something corperate, yellow card, unwritten law, and mozart all own. lol i kind of have a weird taste.

[Bill Aurion]

I don't think mainstream music has gotten better at all...If fact, it's gotten worse...

The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Kansas, Joe Jackson, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc...Now that's the good stuff...

*leaves to pull out his dad's old LP's*

[Hostile Creation]

I like many bands. . . yeah.  I don't feel like making a list.  I've done that here already.

[Ian Sane]

"The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Kansas, Joe Jackson, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc...Now that's the good stuff..."

Styx?  Oh man.  The only band I find more irritating is Supertramp.

Speaking of old LPs I've noticed an interesting thing while searching through my parents records. All of the best stuff (Beatles, Doors, Led Zeppelin, Elton John, Neal Young) is my Dad's while all the REALLY crappy stuff (disco, Jodie Mitchell) is my Mom's.  Oddly enough after having a whomp ass record collection my Dad's CD collection is nothing but classical music while my Mom's tastes have improved beyond belief and she basically listens to the same stuff I do.

[PIAC]

joe jackson is awsome. limp bizkit on the other hand blech, i used to like them 3 dollar bill yall got alot of play time in my cd player, as did their next releaes, the name of which escapse me, i wasn't really interested in them much anymore when chocolate starfish came out, and then i read about this 'contest' they were running to replace wes who left (and rightfully so) and that just sickened me, basically they went around america holding auditions for new guitarists, sounds harmless enough yeah? except for the clauses that you had to sign before auditioning, one of them being 'no covers' sounds harmless enough still, yet the fact was once you had played your music you no longer owned it, it became the property of limp bizkit. way to scam up 1000's of free riffs limp bizkit, that whole 'contest' turned me right off them, and now i no longer listen to them out of spite.

what i DO like can be found here http://www.jaran.de/piac/playlist.html i have fairly ecleptic (sp?) taste, should be a bit of everything in there  

[Hostile Creation]

This is sort of my list from before, in no particular order:
White Stripes
Beck
They Might Be Giants
Weezer
Poe
Misfits
Nirvana
System of a Down
Jethro Tull
Aphex Twin
Radiohead
Weird Al

Also I sometimes listen to Incubus, Cake, the Hives, etc.  I'm listening to Otherside by the Red Hot Chili Peppers now. . . but I also listen to 70s and 80s music, too.  I have a broad range of likable music.

[PIAC]

thats an awsome list hostile! you better have dogs in the midwinter by jethro tull, analogue bubblebath by aphex twin, and err i dunno.. ego brain by system of a down

[Hostile Creation]

Thanks!  But actually, I don't have any of those songs Except maybe the Jethro Tull one, since I have a greatest hits CD.  I will take a gander at those other songs, though.  Thanks for ze suggestion.

[Mario]

People who hate songs or bands because they are popular or mainstream really piss me off. What if the song sounds good? Im not gonna stop myself from enjoying it because the record company has used savage marketing tactics to turn me into a zombie, i have nothing to do with the record company, i dont know or care what goes on there, and i dont give a crap if its "mainstream" or not. If a song sounds good to my ears, i like it. Screw not liking things because they're popular.

[Shift Key]

The mainstream is something I have steered clear of ever since I can remember.
I find it really satisfying to come across a band that no-one's ever heard of.

As for the older music, I work in a department store that plays a mixture of 70s 80s and 90s music. While there are some bad songs, there are some awesome songs that I almost forgot. Like "Feel Like Making Love." I can't remember who sang the original, but I love the Goldfinger cover, and when that came on I couldn't help but air guitar.

As for what I'm listening to at the moment, its either Butterfly Effect (an Australian heavy rock band who are a great live) or A Perfect Circle (very moody heavy rock, just bought their latest album).

[Shift Key]

Aurgh, damn threads switching on me. Ah well, time to bash Mario.
By mainstream, I mean the stuff they show on Video Hits. I haven't watched much MTV so I can't speak for them. The only videos I will watch are the ones on Rage occasionally. The Living End are guest-programmers tonight so I'll probably watch that!

Mainstream sucks at the moment. Too many rappers, dance tracks, and popstars. That's why I stopped listening to the radio a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. If you find a nice song, that's fine by me. But to me, I can't stand 99% of them.

I remember hearing Evanescence BEFORE they were flogged in the mainstream, and then everyone proclaiming them as the next best thing. And then they disappeared off the face of mainstream music.
And to me, that's what mainstream is, people in search of what is popular or cool. Like a song has a use-by date or something.

[PIAC]

i prefer the ned greblanzki version of feel like makin love

[Shift Key]

I'd probably need to hear the original again before I'd argue it.
But I'm a huge fan of covers, especially when done right. Example: Uptown Girl by Weezer.

[Mario]

Fair enough Shifty. Im just hate it when i say "You know that *random mainstream song*, i really like it", and some jerk comes up and acts like ive been brainwashed by MTV, says the song is crap and that all modern mainstream songs sound the same, which most dont. Meh.

[KnowsNothing]

I listen to mostly VG music now, but I also like Phish, Bob Marely, the Beatles, only a few songs from the Eagles or Monkeys, and stuff like that.  I like techno, but I wouldn't just sit there and listen to it unless it was really good, it has to backround music to something, and that's why I love F-Zero's music so much.

I'm starting to get into rock now, especially after the movie School of Rock.  They must sell the soundtrack to that movie!  No particular bands I can think of right now.... I'll have to poke around my Dad's old CDs and find something good.  He and I share similar tastes in music.....except that he likes country and I despise country and all it stands for WITH A PASSION!!!!!

UPDATE:  How could I forget jazz? I don't like jazz as much as I used to, but I still like it.  I have this awesome winton marsallis  CD of him playing the songs from Peanuts (the comic).  Freeform jazz is cool.

I also like a few songs by Coldplay and the Gorrillaz.

[PIAC]

oh i LOVE ambiant techno, its so relaxing, almost like a drug, mmmmm spacey, problem is i don't really know any artists, except for Astral Projection, and they are more trancy than ambient... anyone care to tell me stuff to get?

[DarkRockerX]

Limp Bizkit did a cover for The Who's "Behind Blue Eyes", which is actually pretty good, in my opinion. I like a lot of the stuff which they don't show on MTV, they rarely have any good bands on there anymore.

Evanescence is still a really good band, but that song "Bring Me to Life" got onto my nerves after hearing it so much, but im ok with it now. If you want to hear an underground band like Evanescence, listen to Lacuna Coil, they're an italian rock band which has a male and female lead singer; in my opinion, they're harder than Evanescence.

Some of my favorite bands include:

- Disturbed
- Nirvana
- Rage Against the Machine
- Evanescence
- Staind
- Seether
- Smile Empty Soul
- Linkin Park
- Limp Bizkit (newer them)
- Fuel
- Godsmack

..Just to name a few

[The Omen]

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People who hate songs or bands because they are popular or mainstream really piss me off. What if the song sounds good? Im not gonna stop myself from enjoying it because the record company has used savage marketing tactics to turn me into a zombie, i have nothing to do with the record company, i dont know or care what goes on there, and i dont give a crap if its "mainstream" or not. If a song sounds good to my ears, i like it. Screw not liking things because they're popular.

I agree with Mario to an extent.  For example, i like Korn.  Now people say they're too mainstream and they sold out.  But what if i've been listening to them since '93?  Am i then supposed to stop because people jump on the bandwagon?  Becoming mainstream just means you've been discovered, and i'll never fault a great band for that.  On the other hand, you have manufactured bands, put together strictly to make money.  I'm talking Puddle of Mudd, for example.  A super group put together for the sole purpose of $$$.  I'm not saying you cant like them, but know what theyre about.  Anyway, thats my old man rant.  Here is some music i enjoy.


Metallica
Korn
Iron Maiden
Faith no more
Beastie Boys
David Bowie
Beck
Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
ELO
The Clash
Ice Cube
NIN
Rage against the machine
Sinatra
Billy Joel (pre 1980)
Bee Gees
PJ harvey
Tool
Devo
Soundgarden
Alice in chains
System of a down
Rolling Stones
Styx
The Doors
and many more

[DarkRockerX]

Can't forget about Soundgarden, Metallica or Korn...they're frikkin awesome. I haven't heard too much of System of the Down or Iron Maiden, I should.

I heard Korn was producing their next album, and it's going to be their raw best they said. I can't wait.  

[Shift Key]

I'm all for bands making mainstream (kudos to Evanescene for reviving goth rock) but the value of a mainstream hit has been devalued greatly because that part of the industry is now flooded with styles I hate, suck as rap and dance music.

For all those who haven't really listened to Weird Al yet, find Poodle Hat. It has "Angry White Boy Polka", a medley of hard rock and alternative songs, such as "Fell In Love with A Girl", "Chop Suey", "Youth of the Nation", "Hate to Say I Told You So", "Last Resort", and a few others, all done to accordian music. Very awesome in a strange kinda way.

My other music of the moment:
Less than Jake
Area 7
Magic Dirt
Grinspoon
Audioslave
Weird Al
Linkin Park
Sum 41
Powderfinger
Coldplay

[mouse_clicker]

In no particular order, these are my favorite bands:

Pain
At the Drive-In
Less Than Jake
Mad Caddies
The Ataries
Enya
The Beatles
Sparta
Finch
Queen
Reel Big Fish

I like some things from Something Corporate, Blink 182, Simon and Garfunkle (particularly Sounds of Silence), The Pixies, Mustard Plug, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Operation Ivy, Verve Pipe, Weezer, and Metallica. Really, I like any style of music besides rap, country and pop- I have neither interest in nor respect for anyone faling under those three categories.

And although my list of favorite bands is in no particular order, Pain is at the top for a reason- to do this day I have found to band I like even a hundredth as much as Pain. In my opinion no band has a better sound, better lyrics, or more talented musicians than Pain. It quite simply isn't possible. That's all I have to say.

[nolimit19]

well 1 out 0f 50 main stream songs is good....similar to how a lot of mainstream video games suck, but are very popular. all mainstream games follow a check of things just like all mainstream songs. well not all, its a generalization. you see the same thing in any branch of entertainment. movies are like this as well. you have total crapfests known as triplex and fast and the furious 2 getting more props then movies like a beautiful mind. every once in a while you have a mainstream movie win best movie, but more often then not, its one that isnt the most popular. and like it or not it is because of brainwashing. lol