Author Topic: Atari questioning further Cube support?? (Read 7735 times)

Top Ramen · « **on:** September 25, 2003, 01:50:24 AM »

Atari just announced that they're cancelling Driver 3, Mission Impossible: Operation Surma, and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines from releasing on Cube, while future titles are being re-evaluated.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/451/451351p1.html

What's messed up is Cube is actually still about 500k units worldwide ahead of Xbox yet the PERCEPTION throughout the media and market is what's causing this. Eidos wasn't a big loss, but Atari publishes some good games. This is a shame. Boo!

Top Ramen

ChesterDrawz · « **Reply #1 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:05:50 AM »

The Cube is well ahead in Japan, but behind in North America and Europe to the XBox. So while the Cube will continue to pick up titles aimed for the Japanese market, it will lose titles aimed for the U.S. and Europe. The converse is true for the XBox. It's a vicious circle, less titles in a particualr territory means less sales, which means even fewer titles in future.

Top Ramen · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:29:47 AM »

Current worldwide sales numbers:

http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/

Gup · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:48:09 AM »

Even if Cube has a slightly larger user base, Xbox's owners buy more games.

PIAC · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:50:10 AM »

by like .01 of a percent, acording to the latest numbers i saw (i dont follow numbers much)

ChesterDrawz · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2003, 03:47:20 AM »

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Originally posted by: Top Ramen
Current worldwide sales numbers:

http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/

Yeah this is true, but the point I'm making is that to a game producer it's more important where a console is selling than how much it sells worldwide. As the charts in that link show the Cube is strong in Japan and a good third place in the US and Europe, but 3rd place is 3rd place and with game production costs spiralling the 3rd place system is the port that gets dropped first when costs have to be cut.

Long term, the difference is whether MS is willing to risk buying it's way into the Japanese market (probably true, at least until the XBox 2 succeeds or fails over there), and whether Nintendo can persuade 3rd party producers to keep making titles for the Cube outside Japan until the Cube 2 (depends on a change in attitude).

AgentSeven · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2003, 01:20:10 PM »

Here's a fact that was convientiently overlooked by the idiots at IGN.

Atari will be out of business in less than a year. Some analysts say 6 months.

Also, I would love a one on one debate with Matt Cassima or any other morons over at IGN.CUBE.

Their only job is trash Nintendo (and Sega) and to praise their $ony masters.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2003, 01:46:16 PM »

God darn Agent seven, can you stop being such a fan boy

AgentSeven · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2003, 02:05:05 PM »

Whatever Cannuck....Why don't you get off the high horse. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make you correct. I guess you 10 year olds forget about "personal opinions."

Hey canadian, how many game systems to you own? I have over 30 from just about every company in the business. How am I a fanboy again? IGN sucks, it's a fact.

As for Atari, many industry insiders and business analysts expect Atari to be out of business in a year or less. It's the truth.

Cap · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:14:10 PM »

well i'm glad nintendo made the price cut. hopefully it has some sort of effect on sales of the system, and more importantly of the games. if third partys keep dropping support like they have been recently, nintendos problems in north america will only get worse.

to be honest though, i'm not aware of many atari published games on gamecube. i own ikaruga which is published by atari, but i cant think of any others. the only game i was really interested in in those titles was driver3, but its not a good thing for the gamecube to keep losing third party games.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:19:55 PM »

Well I don't buy crap, so I don't really care. That goes for you too Acclaim and Eidos

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2003, 06:46:38 PM »

AgentSeven, I don't normally respond to your posts, because I rarely agree with you, and it's a personal policy of mine to simply not respond to a fellow Nintendo fan if I know that he's wrong. But in this case, I think that you are right. Atari didnt' blame Nintendo for cancelling their games. They said basically that they didn't have enough money to make games for all three consoles.

Driver 3, I could care less about. IMO, Atari did the right thing by not bringing it to GCN. I can't speak for all GameCube owners, but I would like to think that we wouldn't really jump at the chance to play a GTA style game. I would hope that it's not the type of game we would like to play.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2003, 06:50:14 PM »

AgentSeven, you've been warned for your attitude, and now I'm done with you. Have fun bashing Sony and other users on someone else's forums.

NintendoFanGirl · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:39:13 PM »

Did you ban Agent Seven? I don't understand why. He gives his opinion which may differ from others but he certainly didn't appear to offend anyone.
Anyway, it appears Mission Impossible Operation Surma will still make it to the Cube, just not Driver 3 and that other game.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:55:47 PM »

Bloodworth, although I don't really disagree with banning AgentSeven, I have to disagree with banning him over this. I just dont' think it's justified. He didn't do anything wrong in this thread. He has done plenty wrong in other threads, it's true, but I just think it's a little overboard to ban him because of this. I beg that he be unbanned, at least until the next time he really screws up. I will report him myself if that happens. I just ask that he be given a second chance, as I don't see much that's wrong with his last post.

Please?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:58:19 PM »

Well while it wasn't shown as much in this topic, Agent was a little excessive(and that's me being nice) in a few others, particularly one which was a flame war between he and Mouse_clicker...If anything, he should have been banned then, not now....Oh well, c'est la vie

Undisclosed · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:11:41 PM »

I think agent7 is correct. Atari's days are numbered.

didn't Agent7 just mention something about Nintendo using re-writable carts in one of his other threads? It was a throw away comment, but now a few weeks later, we hear about this Chinese Nintendo console that uses whatelse, "re-writable" carts! Didn't he also mention a sequel to final fantasy 7 like 6 months ago?

Strange.

WesDawg · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:07:38 PM »

I'm kinda sad about this Driver 3 thing. I played a bit of Driver once, and it was pretty fun. We've yet to get anything in the GTA vein yet for the Cube, have we? (besides Simpson's Hit and Run) Weird they'd cancel a title when they have no idea if it will sell well or not.

As for analysts saying that Atari is dead, they're the same analysts that have declaring the doom of Nintendo for the past 2 years. They're usually wrong. Atari has also died what seems like 10 or 15 times in the past 2 decades, but the name just won't leave. It's to precious a piece of gaming history. Nintendo should buy them and name their next system something like the Nintendo Atari 2600-2.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:15:42 PM »

"Atari will be out of business in less than a year. Some analysts say 6 months."

This is all he had to say. The rest of the post was needless trash-talking, and he's decided to reveal that he's been banned before for the same reasons. Keep in mind that if I take the time to warn you, I'm not going to be patient with you ignoring that warning.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2003, 12:40:46 AM »

Why was that all he had to say though?

I haven't actually seen any Atari games I like at this stage (Enter The Matrix was a large disappointment).
If there is one, I'll buy one. But I have yet to see one.

ChesterDrawz · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2003, 12:50:10 AM »

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Originally posted by: Undisclosed
I think agent7 is correct. Atari's days are numbered.

didn't Agent7 just mention something about Nintendo using re-writable carts in one of his other threads? It was a throw away comment, but now a few weeks later, we hear about this Chinese Nintendo console that uses whatelse, "re-writable" carts! Didn't he also mention a sequel to final fantasy 7 like 6 months ago?

Strange.

He's right that Atari are in trouble, but I doubt they are going to disappear altogether:
- They just signed an exclusive deal to be the U.S. jewel case distributor for select Windows titles developed by Microsoft Game Studios until June 2006.
- They publish the awful but incredibly best-selling Enter the Matrix (still in the US PS2 top 10 titles as of August) and the much better Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament.
- Atari's income this year is going to be at least 100% higher than last year, maybe even 150% higher. They are still in difficulties, but they are heading in the right direction.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2003, 03:21:31 AM »

Quote
Originally posted by: Undisclosed
I think agent7 is correct. Atari's days are numbered.

didn't Agent7 just mention something about Nintendo using re-writable carts in one of his other threads? It was a throw away comment, but now a few weeks later, we hear about this Chinese Nintendo console that uses whatelse, "re-writable" carts! Didn't he also mention a sequel to final fantasy 7 like 6 months ago?

Strange.

Bartman3010 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2003, 04:18:41 AM »

I'm sure that Atari will pull support when their useless port of DBZ Budokai flops.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2003, 05:55:23 AM »

Well I for one am glad that AgentSeven is gone, becuase he annoyed the HELL outta me.

I never really was a fan of Atari. I don't folow many of their games, and I'm not sure if I own any (probably do though).

That is the end of my useless post. Goodnight!

KDR_11k · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2003, 09:01:06 PM »

Budokai won't flop. DBZ fans buy everything. Of course, if they all only have a PS2...

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