Topic: GBA-->G.C. Connectivity and the PSP

[AgentSeven]

O.k. I just have to rant for a moment.  I recently read an article over at IGN.com, otherwise known as the web's biggest joke.  

Anyway, the article mentions connectivity plans for the upcoming $ony Psp.  Here's a quote from the article.

"Connectivity was emphasized as playing a large part in the PSP's lifecycle..."


Gee, isn't it great when a company filled with no talent hacks steals your'e best ideas?!

Hmm, I predict that the very same magazines and websites that said Nintendo's GBA to GC connectivity was a bad idea, will now say that the PSP's connectivity is a brilliant idea.

I guess this is one of the MANY reasons I hate $ony. Instead of coming up with their own innovations, they just steal someone elses.  (all of this talk will probably get me flamed, but heck, if you can't take the truth, you know what you can do...)

Well, here's a couple of little know facts to end my rant.  First the PSP is having massive production difficulties.  Second battery life is about 3 hours or less according to various sources.  Third the psp's hardware power is more akin to a low-end psone and NOT equal to that of the PS2.  Any 10 year old kid with half a brain can figure that one out just by looking at the hardware specs.  

One last thing, it's very, very odd that developers are recieveing PSP emulators to make their games on, rather than actuall development kits.  I have already spoken to a couple of developers here in Los Angeles who find this aspect extremely troubling.

I guess I shouldn't care as GB"Future" will be twice the machine the PSP is.  I also find it funny that this is the one time where $ony's faith in optical storage mediums will backfire in their faces.  Expect those "disc read error" messages to begin soon after launch.

[mouse_clicker]

Yes, it's bad that they stole the idea of connectivity from Nintendo. It's really too bad they couldn't come up with an original use for their system, which was obviously made to compete with the GBA anyway. However, handheld-home console connectivity IS a great feature and I am kind of glad it will be appearing in Sony's games, which should make them more enjoyable to play. I won't be happy if it starts getting more publicity and better sales than Nintendo's, though.

BTW, your opinion isn't the law- try to make a note of such instead of blatantly saying you're right and everyone else is wrong. You might also want to reserve judgement on the PSP until you actually use it.

[AgentSeven]

First off "mouse" you act the same way.  Why don't you come down from the ivory tower.

Secondly,  what I said about the psp procution problems and the battery life issues are all FACTS and not opinions.

I truly expect the psp to be the same low quality tech junk that the walkman, discman and the minidisc have all been.  Do a websearch for "defective sony products" and you get an avalanche of responses.  

There is even a class action lawsuit pending against $ony because of it's massively inferior and possibly, purposely defective products.  (Planned obsolesence strikes again!)

Even $ony's own European president said that "they don't expect it to compete directly with the GBA because you can't treat it as roughly as you would a gameboy."  Hmm, sounds like early damage control to me.

Seriously though, the point of this thread isn't to flame Mouse Clicker or even to tell everyone that I hate $ony.  It's about exposing the no-talent hacks over at SCEA.  It's this lack of original ideas that truly worries me as a gamer and as someone working in the game indutstry.  I speak to many people on a daily basis who worry that if $ony has no competition, they will run the industry into the ground.  Just like Atari did in 1984.  My stores have dump bins filled with bad PS1 and PS2 titles.  All racing games,"look-a-like clones," and bad sequels.  It truly reminds me of the "video game crash years."  When my local toy stores would be filled with dump bins overflowing with bad titles they could never possibly sell.

[mouse_clicker]

In your last paragraph you compared two systems we almost nothing about. Besides that, I agree that Sony has amde some poor quality products, but that's in no way a guarantee that the PSP will be the same. You can predict it will, but don't act like it's a fact.

And I know it's not the point of the thread, but it kind of hurts your case when you bash Sony throughout the entire thing, because it becomes blatantly obvious that you're not giving an unbiased view of the situation.

And I don't see how your opinion on what I've done in any way justifies the fact that you're doing the same thing.

[AgentSeven]

Well, let me say this.  First, from the specs and from $ony's track record, I've got a pretty good idea of what to expect from their handheld.  Even if it is over a year, or possibly more, away.

Second, my opinions of GB "Future" come from friends that I have in the game industry.  Especially those that reside in Washington state.  As I have said in other threads, I'm a huge fan of Nintendo and I try as much as I can, to pry secrets from the most secretive company in the business.  It's my personal opinion that the GB "Future" has been in development for quite sometime, much longer than we have been lead to believe.  Also, I feel that Nintendo knows that it has to "show-up" the PSP in order to survive.  This is one thing I know for certain, they have something very,very special up their sleves. (Other than that Zelda RPG or the Paper Mario made by Square)

Still the point of this thread is to expose $ony's lack of original ideas and to bash the media for being the sell out whores that they are.  As soon as psp launches, I expect to hear how "brilliant" the connectivity is. (Sigh)  Just like how the media bashed Sega for going online and then turned around and praised $ony for doing the same damn thing.  Funny, you know who helped $ony set up their online structure?  It was SEGA!!!!!

By the way, this is a Nintendo fourm.  I will bash $ony as much as I possibly can.  It's good for business.  We need healty rivalries and serious brand loyalties.  Copetition is a good thing.
And besides, $ony sucks  

[mouse_clicker]

Well, I've already posted my thoughts on the matter, so I have nothing else to say other than I hope you don't oppose to some hardy Nintendo bashing in Sony forums.

[AgentSeven]

Dude, all I have heard for the last 10 years is Nintendo bashing, lol.

Anyway, to those who are late to this thread, make sure you make note of the facts and opinons presented above.

(p.s. did I just call you "dude?"  I've been in California too long.)

[Cap]

one of the problems is that nintendo hyped up connectivity to be the alternative to online, and then proceeded to use it for basically nothing but tacked on extras. up until now with upcoming games like four swords and final fantasy, the gba link has been very poorly used. being able to download games from animal crossing, and the tingle tuner were great but there is much more that could be done with the feature. if sony manages to put it to a better use, they will get a better response then nintendo has.

as for battery power of the psp, i believe sony themselves mentioned that it will be 3-6 hours.

[AgentSeven]

Even if $ony manages to put connectivty to a better use, they'd still be ripping off someone else's idea.  

Still connectivity really began with the Dreamcast and the Neo Geo pocket.  However, the feature never took off until Nintendo began to re-thinik the concept with the development of the GBA.  I know some people who will tell you that Nintendo had the idea first, and that Sega just beat them to the punch when they teamed up with SNK and the Neo Pocket.  Still, that's besides the point.

As soon as Psp hits, you will probably see games that utilize features like those found in FF:CC and Zelda:Four Swords.  Both of those titles are an EXCELLENT use of the connectivity feature.  I'm sure psp will utilize 4 person link play, another feature as old as the original GameBoy.

Then their is also the idea of connecting your handheld to your p.c.  I've been linking up my GBA and my PC for a while.  I own a flash cartridge, not for playing illeagal downloaded roms, but to play NES emulators on my GBA.  It's a brilliant device.  I've even heard that Nintendo is developing an SD card adapter for the GBA that lets you run pocket emulators on your GBA.  Giving the public a legal alternative to the "Flash Cart."  PSp will also probably utilize these features as well.

Really all I'm saying is this.  As heartless, evil, nazi-esque $ony begins to develop it's handheld system, they will look to one company for their best ideas.  Nintendo.  The press condemns connectivity as a gimmik, even though FF:CC, Zelda 4 swords, and downloadable GBA demos have proven otherwise.  A year for now they will be praising $ony for doing the exact same thing.

It's like Dreamcast online, first it was widely criticized by the press.  Then 2 years later $ony enters the online scene with the EXACT same plan as the DC once had and everyone says it's "brilliant."

[Bill Aurion]

Oh boy, let the rant-fest begin ^_^

1) The PSP will last 3-5 hours, according to sources.  That is still not a good amount of time.  In fact, I think that isn't much more than the Game Gear could do...
2) You can't blame Ninty for using the GCN-GBA connectivity as they have.  Now that they are making games that use it exclusively, people go out and ***** about having to buy a GB(See FF:CC and Four Swords...).  Sony is blatently ripping off Ninty here.  
3) I don't want to pay 300 bucks for a handheld...period.  I'm guessing Ninty's next GB will cost 100-150 dollars at launch...half the price

[Mannypon]

"This is one thing I know for certain, they have something very,very special up their sleves. (Other than that Zelda RPG or the Paper Mario made by Square)"

agent, what do you mean by that lol, I never heard anything of the sort.  When you say Zelda RPG do you mean an rpg in the tradition turn based way? and the paper mario by square is that for gba or gamecube?  dam lol, these 2 things should be topics on the board lol.

[Mario]

Isn't Paper Mario made by Intelligent Systems?

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Even if $ony manages to put connectivty to a better use, they'd still be ripping off someone else's idea.

Still connectivity really began with the Dreamcast and the Neo Geo pocket. However, the feature never took off until Nintendo began to re-thinik the concept with the development of the GBA.

Haha, you just contradicted yourself right there genious. So connectivity began with the Dreamcast, but its ok that Nintendo 'copied' it because they made it take off and become a little popular. But now Sony are coming in, they will most likely make it even more popular (never underestimate the Sony hype machine), and all of a sudden you have a problem with connectivity taking off? *rolls eyes*

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Really all I'm saying is this. As heartless, evil, nazi-esque $ony begins to develop it's handheld system, they will look to one company for their best ideas. Nintendo.

Oh yep. Nintendo invented games. Huh? Atari? Who? Nintendo didnt copy anyone... of course not, they are NINTENDO, they would never do such a thing. SONY on the other hand copy everything they see, i mean just look at Jak and Daxter, a blatant ripoff of Super Mario 64, and Eye Toy, the biggest E-Reader ripoff since Gran Turismo.

Another thing, stop the assumptions. Its not a fact that the press will start praising connectivity as soon as Sony uses it, maybe that will be bad publicity for Sony?

Personally i think the PSP is a good thing. For the past 10 years the Gameboy has evolved very slowly. In ten years we've gone from black and white, to colour, to slightly better graphics, to a lit screen. Now all of a sudden a major contender emerges, the PSP. Nintendo are starting to release new model Gameboys almost every year. GBA in 2001, SP this year, and the new gameboy supposedly for next year. The leap in technology handheld consoles make will be much larger from this gen to next gen, and thats thanks to the PSP. The PSP will make, or is already making Nintendo work harder to make sure they are still number one.

AgentSeven, if you dont like Sony, then dont buy their products, but dont try to convince everyone else to do the same. I dont really like Microsoft but im not telling everyone to hate them. And as for your sig, my 2 year old PS2 works fine thank you very much.

[Ymeegod]

Yeah, Nintendo's not the first.

The DC should get the alot of the credit with it's VMU, hell even the ole Playstation a similar product (though I think it was only released in Japan).  

A few things the VMU did.

A.) allowed you do DL mini-games

B.) allowed you to unlock special items in the game (SoA for example--pikmia quest).

C.) steam in stats from the game, quite a few sports games as well as others).

What has the GBA done that seperates it apart?  :0  

[KDR_11k]

3-5 hours... HAHA! I think I'll get to laugh a lot about people with PSPs/NGages that run out of battery while my GBASP lasts three times as long.

[AgentSeven]

Mario, all your post do is to expose your'e own ignorance.  First, many people say that Nintendo had the connectivity idea first, and that Sega heard about it and beat them to the punch.  I am one of those people, and there is good reason to belive, if you know you're stuff, that I am correct.

Secondly, when Nintendo entered the market in 84, they re-invented the video game.  When $ony entered the market in 95, they copied just about everything that Nintendo did.  Including coloring the original PSone grey so that it would remind people of the SNES.  This is a FACT.  Psp just continues this trend.

Finally, I hate $ONY and I encourage everyone here NOT to buy their crappy, inferior, and purposely defective products.  Don't waste your money.  If you own a GameCube already, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast.  If can't afford one of those systems, and you own a computer, look into old school emulation.  There are 10,000+ great games for all of the "legacy" systems out there.  Not to mention all the great arcade emu's.

I must say that the VMU and the Pocket Station don't count as true connectivity.  In fact Pocket Station was  WIDELY DEFECTIVE that it was never released outside of Japan.  How do I know?  I'm informed and I own one.  It's a peice of crap.  I will give Sega credit for the VMU however, it was a brilliant idea that was way ahead of it's time.  Sega was and is Nintendo's only true equal.

Now in my next post, maybe I'll explain what I mean by "The Zelda RPG" and the "Paper Mario Sequel" by Square.  Also what about Super Mario RPG for GBA and those crazy re-writable cartridges for the GB"FUTURE."  There is some crazy stuff going around in the rumor mill....

[AgentSeven]

Mario, all your posts do is expose your'e own ignorance.  First, many people say that Nintendo had the connectivity idea first, and that Sega heard about it and beat them to the punch.  I am one of those people, and there is good reason to belive, if you know you're stuff, that I am correct.  

Secondly, when Nintendo entered the market in 84, they re-invented the video game.  When $ony entered the market in 95, they copied just about everything that Nintendo did.  Including coloring the original PSone grey so that it would remind people of the SNES.  This is a FACT.  Psp just continues this trend.

Finally, I hate $ONY and I encourage everyone here NOT to buy their crappy, inferior, and purposely defective products.  Don't waste your money.  If you own a GameCube already, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast.  If can't afford one of those systems, and you own a computer, look into old school emulation.  There are 10,000+ great games for all of the "legacy" systems out there.  Not to mention all the great arcade emu's.

I must say that the VMU and the Pocket Station don't count as true connectivity.  In fact Pocket Station was so WIDELY DEFECTIVE that it was never released outside of Japan.  How do I know?  I'm informed and I own one.  It's a peice of crap.  I will give Sega credit for the VMU however, it was a brilliant idea that was way ahead of it's time.  Sega was and is Nintendo's only true equal.

Now in my next post, maybe I'll explain what I mean by "The Zelda RPG" and the "Paper Mario Sequel" by Square.  Also what about Super Mario RPG for GBA and those crazy re-writable cartridges for the GB"FUTURE?"  There is some crazy stuff going around in the rumor mill....
 

[mouse_clicker]

Sony isn't the only company that makes Playstation games.

[AgentSeven]

I'm not talking about the games, I'm talking about the systems and their corporate policies.

Heck, the only reason $ony partnered with Nintendo back in the early 90's was so that they could do two things.  First, they wanted to stage a hostile takeover of Nintendo using stock they would recieve in the partnership deal.  Second, they wanted to see how Nintendo ran it's business.

I won't say that their are no decent games on PS1 or PS2.  However I will say, that NONE of them are made by $ony.  Now if anyone mentions GT or Jak I'm going to puke!  (And I don't care about ICO, it bored me, Zzzzz)  Also, it seems like the original PS had more good games than the Ps2 does.  I think this is the begining of a trend.  Especially as $ony loses it's best franchises to other systems...

[mouse_clicker]

Nintendo asked Sony to help them out with the Playstation. It was Nintendo that screwed over Sony when they breeched their contract and left Sony with a half finished console. They did the exact same thing to Phillips- Nintendo is not an angel.

And why should it matter about corporate policies or anything like that when it's interfering with palying good games? Nintendo and Microsoft both had monopolistic practices, so why do you not care if people buy a GBA or XBox? At least Sony hasn't cornered a market and taken advantage of it yet.  

[thecubedcanuck]

Agent seven and non-jagged must be the same guy.

As for his post, it looks like a fanbotish rant against a company whom sells more products than the company he likes. I hate seeing stuff like, "IF YOU KNEW WHAT I KNEW YOU WOULD THINK OTHERWISE" crap, it is nothing but rumor, with a hearty dose of BS thrown in for good measure.

The PSP will either be good or it wont, we wont know until it gets released, until then every last word about it is SPECULATION.

As for the companies themselves, they are equal in many regards, both have screw someone over at one point and both have some good products.

My PS2 is from launch and it still works fine, so is my cube, my sony TV is also working great, so go figure.

[AgentSeven]

$ony has indeed cornered the market.  Then they flooded it with horrible games, letting any no-talent company produce titles for it's systems.  (Think Atari circa 1984)  The most recent Tomb Raider game is a perfect example.  It's a crap title that was the biggest public rip off since the ps2.

I won't even get into the FACT that at the PS2 launch, $ony secretly bought one of it's own systems off of E-BAY for $5000  just to drive the hype surrounding the new system.  

Then there's the classic "disc read errors...."

Also, although common history states that Nintendo asked $ony to "help them out" with their own optical storage device.  What is not publically known, at least not by many, is that half way into the project Nintendo realized that $ony was up to no good and they panicked and broke the deal.

By the way, they didn't "screw" Phillips.  Phillips screwed themselves with those disgusting Zelda titles.

Don't buy $ony products.  You're only hurting yourselves.  If you own a GameCube and you wan't another system, buy an X-Box or a Dreamcast.  Don't foget console and arcade emu on PC.  It's all good stuff.

[mouse_clicker]

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Also, although common history states that Nintendo asked $ony to "help them out" with their own optical storage device. What is not publically known, at least not by many, is that half way into the project Nintendo realized that $ony was up to no good and they panicked and broke the deal.

What proof do you have of that? It sounds like fanboy BS to me.

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By the way, they didn't "screw" Phillips. Phillips screwed themselves with those disgusting Zelda titles.

Do you even know what went on between Nintendo and Phillips? Nintendo contracted Phillips, one of the pioneers of CDs, to help with an SNES CD add on. Nintendo then backed out of the deal and broke the contract. Since Nintendo had gone against their agreement, Phillips sued Nintendo and forced them to hand over the rights to make 3 Zelda games. Those Zelda games are a direct result of Nintendo screwing Phillips over.

And flooding the market with crappy games is an opinion and far from a monopoly. The NES was a monopoly. The GBA is almost a monopoly (Nintendo's acting like it is). Tomb Raider is a horrible example, too, since Nintendo let Superman 64 and Universal Studios slip through on their consoles.  

[AgentSeven]

By the way, just in case you didn't already know.  This is a NINTENDO forum.  I can be as much as a "Fan Boy" as I wish.  Also GB/GBC/GBA/SP has outsold both the PS1 and the PS2 combined.  Get your facts straight Canadian.

Finally, let me end with this.  Everything I said about $ony stealing other peoples ideas is true.  It's fact and it can be confirmed by almost anyone.  

Why is it that the lazy and the uninformed automatically dismiss anything they do not agree with, without trying to confirm the truth of what they are hearing?  This must be a by-product of the decline of the worlds educational systems.

By the way have I mentioned that I own an Atari 2600/7800, Colecovision, Intellivision, Atari Jaguar, SMS, Genesis, Sega CDX, 32x, Saturn, Nes, Super Nes, N64, GameCube, Turbo Duo, Turbo Express, Neo Geo Pocket, Wonderswan, PsX, Ps2, X-Box, VirtuaBoy, GameBoy, GameBoy Pocket, GBA, GbaSP, a Mame Arcade cabinent and a PC that hooks to my TV and plays emulators?

I'm hardly a fan-boy.....If anything, I'm a fan boy for good games, reguardless of what system they are on.   I just don't like $ony.  I don't agree with their policy of running their business like Atarti did in the 80's...I work in this industry, I don't need abother crash.  Many, many people agree with me.

ps, I have only one identity in this forum and this is it.  Unlike some of the other date-less wonders in here...

[Bill Aurion]

As an owner of a PS2 myself, I must agree with the fact that Sony really has not made 1st class software in what seems like forever.  Ico?  Meh....Sly Cooper?  Garbage.  Jak & Daxter?  UTTER CRAP.  Ratchet & Clank uses the J&D engine and is much better(Insomniac keeps my PS2 alive).  Sony lives off hype and 3rd party titles.  When you ask someone what their favorite PS2 game, what is it?  It's Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, or Grand Theft Auto, all 3rd party games...Take from someone who isn't a so-called "fanboy"  Sony is just not what people make them out to be... </rant>

[mouse_clicker]

Why is it that people who disagree with you are autmatically idiots, Agent? And why do you use the "I have a right" ploy every time you can't think of a good argument? Give us proof if you're so adament about it- I haven't seen you do anything other than bash Sony.