Topic: How come you don't own a PS2? (Why?)

[honda_insightful]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
At the time I chose my console I knew about the PS2 that it was released earlier than the other two (didn't know how much, expected 2-3 years) and would be replaced by its successor within a short time and therefore considered it a dying system. Also it is technically inferior and more expensive than the GC, which were also tilting factors. Besides, I hate the PS2 gamepad.

So: (1) The PS2 has a short lifespan (2) It costs ~$50 more (3) It's technically inferior (4) You don't like the controller.

Okay, reason (4) makes no sense to me.  I've played on all consoles and all controllers, and I find the differences between them to be trivial.  They are all designed essentially the same way (held with both left and right hands), so I don't like or dislike any of them.

(3) The PS2 is slower, and yet that doesn't show on screen.  In EBgames I played Soul Calibur on both the Cube and PS2 side-by-side, and the graphics looked the same to my eyes.  Any difference was trivial and not visible to my eyes.

(2) Many people own dozens of games costing hundreds of dollars.  Me, I've spent over $1000 on 128-bit games.  Given that, the $50 difference is trivial.

(1) And finally, if lifespan was your main concern, why the hell did you buy a Cube?  That has the shortest lifespan of all the consoles (2001-5) which is far, far less than the PS2 (2000-5).  Your reason (1) is totally bogus and illogical.  (Actually, the PS2 will probably be as long-lived as the PS1.  The PS1 was released in 1996, and it is still in stores 8 years later.  I suspect PS2 will follow a similar lifespan... and be alive and well long after the Cube/Xbox disappear.)

Your reasons were interesting, but.... well.... dumb.  They don't make much sense, because they ignore the facts.  They are not rational.

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Here's why *I* bought the PS2:
- Most popular.  History shows that the most popular consoles (Atari, NES, Super Nintendo, PS1) have the most games to choose from.  I like variety in my gaming.
- DVD playback.  I figured I was getting two pieces of hardware (DVD + games) for a low price ($200).  Good deal!
- PS1 compatibility...... I never owned one, so here was my oppotunity to go back and play all the classics like Tomb Raider, Pac-Man World, et cetera!
- I wanted to played FF10/11/12, KH, GT3/4, GTA, NASCAR Heat1/2, Ico, Rez, SC2, DOA: Hardcore, et cetera.

[mouse_clicker]

I know of those times, Ninja- my dad had a Commadore 64 for a while. Still, though, the actual feature of DVD playback is one that I really like. It's by no means neccessary, since I play my Gamecube far more than my PS2, but I still like having it there.

[KDR_11k]

4) I find 3rd party GC controllers to be uncomfortable. that's an even smaller difference.
3) It shows only in exclusive games.
2) It was a christmas present. 200 was the absolute top limit. Was hard enough to make my parents buy THAT.
1) It wasn't announced at that time that the N5 would be released earlier (and it seems like this plan is failing anyway) and I had no idea how long the PS2 was out (like I said). BTW, lifespan here meant game releases, not shelf life.
Still, it's 50 bucks more for a weaker piece of hardware that tends to break early. I watch for 10 bucks in Intel/AMD comparisons, so why should I blow that money out on a PS2?
Also I figured N offers the most different titles from what my PC does.

[the_zombie_luke]

Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.

[the_zombie_luke]

Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.

[mouse_clicker]

You can't determine console strength just by looking at games, especially since how good a game looks is mainly a matter of opinion AND it mainly depends on the skill of the developer. Still, though, the XBox and Gamecube are leagues ahead of the PS2.


Although Ico does look incredible.

[the_zombie_luke]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
You can't determine console strength just by looking at games, especially since how good a game looks is mainly a matter of opinion AND it mainly depends on the skill of the developer. Still, though, the XBox and Gamecube are leagues ahead of the PS2.


Although Ico does look incredible.

This article actually makes a lot of sense and clears up some graphics questions on GameCube.

http://forums.g4tv.com/messageview.cfm?catid=8&threadid=54975&STARTPAGE=1

[mouse_clicker]

Zombie: I've posted in that very thread some 30 times. If you look on the last 4 or 5 pages, you'll see the author, Shadow Fox, saying exactly what I'm saying- that you can't determine console strength by looking at games. I think he proves the Gamecube's the most powerful through other methods, but just saying Metroid Prime looks better than FFX isn't doesn't say anything about the technical aspects of each game and console.

[honda_insightful]

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Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.

You totally and completely missed my point.  My point was that the difference between a top-of-the-line PS2 game (Kingdom Hearts) and a top-of-the-line Cube game (Metroid Prime) is so small as to be unimportant.  It's the FUN TIMES with the game that matters, not the looks.  (Just like people.)

My PS2 is still nice and shiny because I use it almost every day.  Ditto my Nintendo 64 and Super Nintendo.  These consoles have the FUN which other consoles are sadly lacking.

[the_zombie_luke]

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Originally posted by: honda_insightful

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Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.

You totally and completely missed my point.  My point was that the difference between a top-of-the-line PS2 game (Kingdom Hearts) and a top-of-the-line Cube game (Metroid Prime) is so small as to be unimportant.  It's the FUN TIMES with the game that matters, not the looks.  (Just like people.)

My PS2 is still nice and shiny because I use it almost every day.  Ditto my Nintendo 64 and Super Nintendo.  These consoles have the FUN which other consoles are sadly lacking.

It's true that fun is all that matters, but excessive load times can add to frustration and drain the fun factor of a game. As all the consoles stand, none of them can hold a candle to the NES and SuperNES. The NES's had such a high number of awesome games like Startropics, Balloon Fight, and Super Metroid that trying to top their fun factor would be futile.

[the_zombie_luke]

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[mouse_clicker]

I own both Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime, and while Kingdom Hearts IS a great game, it can't even begin o compare the the incredibility of Metroid Prime.

[Infernal Monkey]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
There are 2 reasons I do not own a PS2.

1)  It's made by Sony.

Well, okay. I can understand your second point. I mean, if the games don't interest you, that's it. But I don't really understand the whole "It's by Sony. F**k it". Lets say the PS3 has the most games that interest YOU in the next generation, would you ignore the chance to play them simply because the console is made by Sony?

[thecubedcanuck]

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I shudder to think of things like the upcoming PSX from Sony, or the planned HomeStation from MS. It's just not right.

It is comments like this that make me laugh so hard I nearly piss myself, it is also the reason I put ZERO weight into anything you have to say.

Why the hell is not right?

Simply because it goes against what YOU want?

Just because YOU think it is a bad idea?

Since when did you become such an expert on everything gaming?

Last time I checked the PS2 was the highest selling home console, the evil MS as you call them was tied with Nintendo. Now remember that this is MS's first console and they have tied the long standing NIN already. So when you say it isnt right, you are obviously in the MINORITY as far as the PAYING public is concerned.

What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released, that fits in a nice box and hooks up to a TV? NOTHING! It is what the public wants and I dont blame them, it erases the need for a pile of equipment, it makes having all of the above more affordable, it simplifies things for the average consumer.

Will the PS3 sell, you better believe it will.

You constantly talk about the games being the most important thing, then why do you care so much about the unit that plays them??

[ghostVi]

thecubedcanuck: calling xbox a nice box is what's really laughable in this discussion. There are tons of PC case mods out there looking MUCH better

>What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released,...

That's a lie, told by MS. It's questionable even if it can do more the the CURRENT generation consoles.

And I'll try telling you what's wrong with a simple unit (yes it IS simple, and ugly designed inside, compared to whatever-you-like-to-put-here console).

MS LIES to the public, that's why they manage to sell their console. THAT is not right, OK?

It's even questionable if it is actually more powerful than the GC, did you know that? How many have got it just because of this hype? ALL of the paying public gives their money for s**t, because of lies, and I find this wrong. Don't you?

How many use Internet Explorer? Did you know that you DO pay for it (and yes, you can run Windows without IE at all)? ALL of the other browsers on the market are way better currently, both in terms of size/performance, and in terms of UI enhancements....don't get me started on security... Does the paying public know that? Why not? It knows the opposite, it's being lied.

Is an operating system harmful? It's just something running some code, isn't it... we you bet it is (harmful), it steal and robs, it deletes and crashes, it burns your precious many-days work, and you have no choice.

THAT'S what's wrong.

So. How would a unit be harmful? By taking away your right to choose, and that's all MS's "business model" is about, last time I checked. Do you believe a criminal who buys his way out of jail? That's what MS (and hence, xbox) is.

And you know....... MS have the money to make a GOOD console. But instead they chose to put the money in hype and make something ugly and less performing. THERE you can see that "business model" again at work.

This things make me mad man, I can see all of my friends getting lied and robbed, and I can't help that, that's wrong.

[thecubedcanuck]

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What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released,...

(Q)That's a lie, told by MS. It's questionable even if it can do more the the CURRENT generation consoles.
And I'll try telling you what's wrong with a simple unit (yes it IS simple, and ugly designed inside, compared to whatever-you-like-to-put-here console).
MS LIES to the public, that's why they manage to sell their console. THAT is not right, OK?...(Q)


How are any of these things lies? Are you saying the next gen of consoles from MS and Sony wont have additional features that the current gen doesnt have?
Also, I could care less what it looks like, and honestly I dont think the x-box or PS2 look bad at all.

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It's even questionable if it is actually more powerful than the GC, did you know that? How many have got it just because of this hype? ALL of the paying public gives their money for s**t, because of lies, and I find this wrong. Don't you?

SO everyone who bought an X-box to date bought it because they believed the lies? I must be the only person who bought it for the games on it I liked. How stupid of me.

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How many use Internet Explorer? Did you know that you DO pay for it (and yes, you can run Windows without IE at all)? ALL of the other browsers on the market are way better currently, both in terms of size/performance, and in terms of UI enhancements....don't get me started on security... Does the paying public know that? Why not? It knows the opposite, it's being lied.

I use IE everyday and think its a great browser, it is better than anything else I have tried. The same goes for windows, after using a buggy MAC for 5 years I was thrilled to go back to a windows based operating system.

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So. How would a unit be harmful? By taking away your right to choose, and that's all MS's "business model" is about, last time I checked. Do you believe a criminal who buys his way out of jail? That's what MS (and hence, xbox) is.

The right to choose is still there, so your point is totally meaningless.

What I gather from reading your post is that you are anti MS without really even knowing why, instead you base your fears on rumor and rhetoric. How sad.

[honda_insightful]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
I own both Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime, and while Kingdom Hearts IS a great game, it can't even begin o compare the the incredibility of Metroid Prime.

You're right.  I SOLD Metroid Prime because I got bored with it.  That world in MP, after you explore it, gets rather boring.  Kingdom Hearts I still play again-and-again, because there's tons more variety (~10 different worlds).

As for graphics, I think both games look equally good.  I see no difference between the PS2 & Cube graphics.

[ghostVi]

hey thecubedcanuck, sorry if I got a bit too carried away in my previous post. It's just that I was talking about some really unfair ,and actually criminal, companies, which does piss me off a lot.

Back to your reply...

> How are any of these things lies? Are you saying the next gen of consoles from MS and Sony wont have additional features that the current gen doesnt have?

My mistake, I thought you were referring to the current generation of consoles, not the next. Which is also just hype, but you're right, I can't call these lies (yet).

>SO everyone who bought an X-box to date bought it because they believed the lies? I must be the only person who bought it for the games on it I liked. How stupid of me.

Yes IMHO they do. All of the paying public believes it has better graphics (THAT's really not proven yet), and this is the reason to by an xbox for most of them. You're smart buying a console because of the games. But that's not the case with the general public... at leas not with most of the owners of xbox I've been dealing with (friends, forums etc...).

>I use IE everyday and think its a great browser, it is better than anything else I have tried. The same goes for windows, after using a buggy MAC for 5 years I was thrilled to go back to a windows based operating system.

See? You're the victim man
1) IE is WAY behind the others, just go and try opera 7.20 beta 11 (and they call THIS beta, where it's much more stable than IE 6.0)

2) A buggy MAC, 5 years old! ROFL! 5 years ago there was win98, I'm sure it's not what you're running now Now... be fair give a try to the current available options, MacOS X, BeOS (although old it's better than XP for multimedia), go burn a KNOPPIX CD, Solaris 9 (with GNOME)..... and there's a lot more. Here you were just proving my point, you don't even KNOW they are worth trying... where's the choice? Go and try buying a PC in California WITHOUT Windows. Or get a refund for not using it. Then come back and tell us what happened, I'll wait patiently the next couple of months for you.

>The right to choose is still there, so your point is totally meaningless.

I think I need to clarify my point here. It WOULDN'T have been there if MS was in the position Sony is right now. THAT's my point.


Hope this all doesn't sound to you too offensive, but you're dealing with criminals here, can't let them shut my mouth...

[Round Eye]

I like Nintendos underlying philosphy, I believe that Nintendo is games company at its core.   Sure they like to see a profit, they are a business, but they also believe in making great games and making hardware that supports great gaming.

Micro Soft wants to crash the market and then mold it into its own image.  We know this, it is their business model, they are only happy when they have a monopoly on the market.  Anyone who buys into the Xbox hype is being suckered, they do not believe in games, they believe in being number 1, making the most money, dominating the market.  If you don't believe that, listen to their reps they have stated that mantra on numerous occasions.

To be honest, the reason I do not own a PS2 is that I can not get myself to spend more money on an technically inferiorer system, I know that is shallow, but come on its about as graphically powerfull as an enhanced Dreamcast (no offence to the DC).  Were is the in game 5.1 sound? Progressive O/P? I also do not like the idea of an all in one home entertainment box.  Sony has to cut too many graphic hardware corners when making a system that trys to do everything for under 300 bucks.

If you think I am shooting myself in the foot for not owning a PS2, I counter that with the same statement back.  A gamer would be shooting him/her self in the foot for not owning a GC.  The GC is home to a lot of AAA exclusives, and the hardware is top quality.

[adurkee]

I do not own a PS2 because of the following reasons:

1) I strongly dislike the controller, I feel it is to small.

2) There are not enough games for it that appeal to me and I would rather stick with my PC and GameCube.

3) The hardware is starting to show its age and it is the least durable of the three consoles.

[mouse_clicker]

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You're right. I SOLD Metroid Prime because I got bored with it. That world in MP, after you explore it, gets rather boring. Kingdom Hearts I still play again-and-again, because there's tons more variety (~10 different worlds).

As for graphics, I think both games look equally good. I see no difference between the PS2 & Cube graphics.

In case you missed something, I thought that Metroid Prime was MUCH better than Kingdom Hearts, to the ponit where it's insane to even compare the two. The story was better, the level of exploration was amazing, the puzzles were dynamic, intruiging, and never so hard you get frustrated, and there was so much to do you could beat the game and not have done half of what was available for you to do.

And you have GOT to be kidding about graphics- Kingdom Hearts looks good, but Metroid Prime is one of the most visually stunning videogames I've ever seen, both technically and artistically speaking. Only a blind person would honestly think there was no difference between PS2 and Gamecube graphics, much less between Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime specifically. This goes beyond being a mere opinion and tranverses into the world of stupidity. Does anyone else here ACTUALLY see no graphical difference between the PS2 and Gamecube, or think that Metroid Prime and Kingdom Hearts look equally good?  

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To be honest, the reason I do not own a PS2 is that I can not get myself to spend more money on an technically inferiorer system, I know that is shallow, but come on its about as graphically powerfull as an enhanced Dreamcast (no offence to the DC). Were is the in game 5.1 sound? Progressive O/P? I also do not like the idea of an all in one home entertainment box. Sony has to cut too many graphic hardware corners when making a system that trys to do everything for under 300 bucks.

That has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard for not buying a console. Honestly, what bearing do graphics have at all on how well a game plays? Would you not want to buy a Super Nintendo simply because it can't produce graphics as good the Gamecube or Xbox? You look at GAMES when deciding whether or not to buy a console, not graphics.

Besides, if you want to see some pretty stunning graphics on the PS2, I need noly direct you to Ico, which has one incredible visual style, an amazing draw distance, incredibly realistic physics, and some of the best water effects I've seen .

[Gup]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
In case you missed something, I thought that Metroid Prime was MUCH better than Kingdom Hearts, to the ponit where it's insane to even compare the two. The story was better, the level of exploration was amazing, the puzzles were dynamic, intruiging, and never so hard you get frustrated, and there was so much to do you could beat the game and not have done half of what was available for you to do.

And you have GOT to be kidding about graphics- Kingdom Hearts looks good, but Metroid Prime is one of the most visually stunning videogames I've ever seen, both technically and artistically speaking. Only a blind person would honestly think there was no difference between PS2 and Gamecube graphics, much less between Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime specifically. This goes beyond being a mere opinion and tranverses into the world of stupidity. Does anyone else here ACTUALLY see no graphical difference between the PS2 and Gamecube, or think that Metroid Prime and Kingdom Hearts look equally good?

KH vs MP, there's no way MP has a better story.  It's definitely deep, but it happens through reading instead of cutscenes.  As for the graphics between the two, MP is technically better, but I'd rather be looking at KH instead.

[Termin8Anakin]

i don't own a PS2 because, like i said in the other thread for Xbox, I can't afford it.
Sure PS2 came out before Cube, but I am also a NIntendo guy, and Nintendo gets first preference.
I don't like RPGs, so not having a PS2 doesn't get my eyes twitching cause none of them are coming to Cube. Unlike some of you guys. This also comes back to not having enough money. The only RPG I'm looking forward to is a huge Pokemon 3D one.
The last game i bought was WW. Go figure. I borrowed Metroid Prime off Mario, and I got Star Fox Adventures for free. I only BUY games if I am really looking forward to them, like GX, MGS, MKD and others, though I won't be getting them at launch, since i don't have money

[mouse_clicker]

Just because Kingdom Hearts was an RPG doesn't mean it had a better story- in fact, it's story was pretty cheesy and unoriginal, the stuff we've seen a thousand different times in a thousand different games. Metroid Prime made me actually get involved in the story, especially the way it was implimented.

And there's no way I'd rather look at Kingdom Hearts- visual styles aside (in which case I still greatly prefer Metroid Prime), it just looks so much better. Kingdom Hearts has very poor textures and polygon counts by comparison, and it's obvious when you look at the two.

[honda_insightful]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Just because Kingdom Hearts was an RPG doesn't mean it had a better story- in fact, it's story was pretty cheesy and unoriginal, the stuff we've seen a thousand different times in a thousand different games. Metroid Prime made me actually get involved in the story, especially the way it was implimented.

As someone who's read (and watched) thousands of sci-fi stories, I can tell you Metroid's story was definitely NOT original.  It was as old and re-hashed as anything in Kingdom Hearts.  Metroid's story can be rtraced all the way back to the 1950's... it's not original.

So there.  ;-)

Besides, the point was about GRAPHICS.  Kingdom Hearts (and soon Gran Turismo 4) demonstrate that the PS2 can produce graphics at least as good as the Cube (but not as good as the Box).

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That has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard for not buying a console. Honestly, what bearing do graphics have at all on how well a game plays? Would you not want to buy a Super Nintendo simply because it can't produce graphics as good the Gamecube or Xbox? You look at GAMES when deciding whether or not to buy a console, not graphics.

YEP!  That was my original point in the original message = The PS2 has tons of awesome games (and games that don't exist on Cube like DDR)... not owning a PS2 is like shooting yourself in the foot.