i think the problem with many people and virtua fighter is that the game requires actual skill to do stuff in it- in soul calibur to beat the single player things, you need just a knowledge of the good combos and you can usually button mash away- in VF4 though- it is a different story- as you progress through the game's single player you become better, and that is what hampers the multiplayer- if you dont have an opponant as good as you, then you will basically whup their ass everytime- in soul calibur, button mashing can get you through, but i always use combos, throws, and guards- another thing in VF4 that most cant get used to is that the game has only 3 buttons you use- punch, kick, and guard- but those translate into thousands of moves and combos- virtua fighter has a steep learning curve so you have to learn things to be good, but soul calibur is a jump right in fighting game- for a single player game, nothing beats VF4 but for multiplayer, soul calibur is by far the best