Author Topic: Factor 5+ATI+Microsoft+Nintendo= ??rumors (Read 7589 times)

Mannypon · « **on:** August 16, 2003, 10:02:09 AM »

http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1060968986

I was just thinking, Microsoft and Nintendo together in a joint effort would be insane lol. The combined effort would solve both of their probs, for Nintendo, they would be able to do a better job moving systems outside of japan and it'll also bring them right to the forefront of online gaming with microsoft's xbox live structure. For microsoft, it'll help them break into the steel wall (for an american company) that is japan. We all know that microsoft alone cannot break into the japanese market. I honestly dont think nintendo will do such an allience since it doesnt really seem to be their style but with their new president, you may never know. Wonder how willing he is to put nintendo back on top. What if nintendo is willin to team up for a generation or 2 to work out gettin rid of that "kiddie" image they have and once all this kiddie image thing blows over (since a generation or 2 from now, they'll be a new crop of gamers that dont know much bout Nintendo's old image becuase of the alliance) they'll go back to developing systems themselves and be in a better position to reclaim its throne. I'm just talkin out ma ass lol and wondering what everyone thinks bout this but it does make some sence and will help solve alot of probs for both companies. If this goes through, I see Nintendo benefiting the most from this, developing a new image and getting the know how on online gaming.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2003, 10:08:56 AM »

Wouldnt a Microsoft-Nintendo "alliance" mean Microsoft BUYING Nintendo? I just dont see how they could work together without Microsoft coming on top....

the Factor 5 Rumor was debunked by IGNs Fact or Fiction. They said Factor 5 would make development tools for the other 2 but their software was still for Nintendo

Mannypon · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2003, 10:31:49 AM »

I see what you mean but I'm sure both can come up with some type of agreement if they both were to come out of this with something. To me it seems to be a win/win situation for the both of them as it would fix both of their probs. Microsoft and Nintendo (moreso nintendo IMO) have their pride and while Microsoft might want to buy nintendo, they know its unattainable, they couldnt even by squaresoft so they should get the taste out their mouth on buyin nintendo cuase it aint goin to happen. Nintendo wouldnt allow it either. I'm not propposin both companies merge into one or anything cuase neither of them would want that but both helpin each other out and coming up with a way of them 2 building a system together and splitting in one way or another the profits is somethin more acceptable. I'm sure something could be worked out if they were really persueing this.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2003, 10:36:18 AM »

Sounds just like something Microsoft would do, go out and buy another company since they can't be number one by good 'ol hard work in a market. But I don't see this as possible simply because they are from different companies, a combination of which usually doesn't see the light of day.

P.S.-Manny, your avatar is too big. Edit it down to 64x64 pixels.

Mannypon · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2003, 11:02:11 AM »

thanks for the info lol, I just noticed the nice new icon they hooked me up with lol

ThePerm · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2003, 11:23:34 AM »

http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=5466
http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=5455
http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5456

Pale · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2003, 11:33:06 AM »

Everytime i hear these ms/nintendo partnership rumors part of me is like....hey, that would be cool cause then nintendo would get a bigger market share and online play. Then I realize the only way it would be cool is if nintendo kept making great games AND they got to design the hardware to achieve the perfect balance of affordability and performance. THen I realize, why does nintendo even need microsoft??! =P

AgentSeven · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2003, 12:01:47 PM »

Holy Smokes! How many times do I have to say this?!

"I have stated before, and it is already a well known fact, that both Nintendo and M$ have what's called "A Gentleman's Agreement." One that states that since they both have relatively seperate goals, they will "unofficially" work together against their common foe, $ony. Kind of like the U.S. and The Russians did against the nazi's.

I stated this month's ago and I was scoffed at by almost everyone here, including the head of the site, Rick Powers.

Now, has anyone noticed that there seems to be a ton of RARE games headed for the GBA? But wait a minute, I thought M$ bought Rare? We all know that's true. We also know that the GBA Rare games are being distributed by a thrid party. Still doesn't it seem strange that a company M$ owns would be producing so many games for their "rival" Nintendo? Gee, it's almost like they have some sort of agreement...."

Also, allow me to dispell some BS that's been circulating through the web. Factor 5 will NEVER makes games for X-Box. Period. If your'e dumb enough to believe that one, I feel sorry for you. M$ did indeed attempt to buy Nintendo for around 26 billion Dollars. Nintendo refused. Later in the year
Nintendo bought back over 100 Million Dollars worth of its own stock, in order to prevent a hostile take-over by another company. M$ will never be able to buy Nintendo, and Nintendo will NEVER sell itself to M$. Period.

One more thing. You can't get REAL news from Video Game Magazines and Websites. They are almost entirely controlled by the video game companies. What you see and hear is being put out by publicists, who are essentially paid liars.

Mannypon · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2003, 12:09:55 PM »

I understand what you mean, I think the same things as you since I have no real problem with nintendo, they rarely dissapoint. The thing that I have a prob with is this image prob they are having. I dont really know if gettin more mature titles is really goin to change that for them. The average consumer rarely knows bout the mature games and even if they do find out, they dont give it a second thought just becuase its on the gamecube. My neph is 12 and he doesnt like the gamecube and doesnt even have a reason. If people were to see nintendo team up with microsoft, just that alone will be able to sway thier outlook on nintendo and what their about becuase to them microsoft means cool and all that for some reason. There are alot of benefits into teaming up with microsoft, all they have to do is make sure they dont give microsoft any type of leverage in the company. Just keep things in profits and leave out the ownership or shares in the company and whatnot. I'm sure microsoft wouldnt mind much if nintendo designed the guts of the console (cpu, abbilities, and layout for ease of developement and cost) and controller cuase we all know that the money is in the software. They can split profits 50/50 of the console and publishing fees for other developers to make games on their system. They'll just then have to worry bout advertising their own software and with the huge installed base they would generate, microsoft and both nintendo should be able to make good money off their respective games themselves. Microsoft will make money off the "adult" crowd with halo and whatnot while nintendo will still have its core hardcore followers( like me lol) and maybe a few new ones. It'll seem like the best of both worlds. But anyways, I dont know anything bout business and this is just a bunch of wishful thinking lol but it is clear that their would be benefits from cooperation of the 2. People are already talkin bout ps3 and its startin to seem out of reach for anyone to topple sony already even if they all release at around the same time. Sony will sell on name alone, microsoft too to a certain extent while nintendo will sell to hardcore players who can look past images and see the content within the games.

Pale · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2003, 12:14:27 PM »

AgentSeven, more like AgentPissedOff....

I want you to tell me how Microsoft allowing Rare to make games for the GBA will help Nintendo and Microsoft beat Sony in the home console market. IT WON'T!

It also won't help Nintendo beat Microsoft in the home console market. All it will do is give Microsoft/Rare more money, and THAT is the reason why they are doing it.

ThePerm · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2003, 12:19:48 PM »

rare had soem projects that will make money almost complete. THQ and MS want to make that money(since rare in reality no longer exists...there is only MS Game Studios) and that is their way.

Nigel · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2003, 01:59:39 PM »

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Originally posted by: AgentSeven

Now, has anyone noticed that there seems to be a ton of RARE games headed for the GBA? But wait a minute, I thought M$ bought Rare? We all know that's true. We also know that the GBA Rare games are being distributed by a thrid party. Still doesn't it seem strange that a company M$ owns would be producing so many games for their "rival" Nintendo? Gee, it's almost like they have some sort of agreement....

Yeah, I did notice a ton of Rare GBA games coming out. Only it was like a year ago when they were announced. The GBA is not competition or a rival for the Xbox, that's why Microsoft allows Rare to make games for it. If it's gonna make Rare money, then there's no reason they shouldn't allow them too.

Shadow Link · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2003, 03:04:18 PM »

Think of it like this. At least Rares GBA games arent being released on PSP or NGAGE instead of GBA.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2003, 04:15:26 PM »

Their not on Ngage or PSP cause their not even out yet and because of the large user base on GBA

kennyb27 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2003, 06:25:58 PM »

Exactly there could be a Banjo-Kazooie and even PD in development for the PSP. It's entirely possible.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2003, 12:45:53 AM »

First, I doubt there will ever be a signle game for the PSP. (By the way do you know it's having design and production problems? but I digress..) Still, not having Rare games may be to their benefit as many of their titles are highly overated and their future looks bleak to me. ("Grabbed by Ghoulies" SUCKED at E3, as did Kameo Elements of Power, Perfect Dark will never see the light of day, they no longer have Martin Hollis,etc...)

Second, you seem to forget that having Rare games on Nintendo's GBA not only makes M$ money, but it also benefits Nintendo as well, financially and otherwise.

Finally, I feel that Nintendo and M$ will never officially work together. A "gentleman's agreement" in the corporate world basically says that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Two companies with different gameplans working against a common foe, yet not exactly competiting directly with each other.

rpglover · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2003, 04:46:13 AM »

"Now, has anyone noticed that there seems to be a ton of RARE games headed for the GBA? But wait a minute, I thought M$ bought Rare? We all know that's true. We also know that the GBA Rare games are being distributed by a thrid party. Still doesn't it seem strange that a company M$ owns would be producing so many games for their "rival" Nintendo? Gee, it's almost like they have some sort of agreement...."

i think before microsoft bought rare, they agreed that they would make games for nintendo's gba
so basically microsoft and nintendo were laying down ground rules to the rare deal before it happened
this would allow rare to finish the games and sell them on the gba- microsoft could benefit since rare is a total part of microsoft now

but i agree with agent 7 in the fact that there seems to be a "gentleman's agreement" going on here
it is just coincedence that they both are using ati for their graphics chips- i guarentee that they will have different chips and archetecture in their systems when they release- the ways that they will work together is in advertising as in not bashing eachother
both just need to focus on their goals right now- nintendo's been getting with more 3rd parties for their next system and microsoft has been getting their feet in the water and their brand name known for the next time around

kennyb27 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2003, 08:09:04 AM »

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Still, not having Rare games may be to their benefit as many of their titles are highly overated and their future looks bleak to me.

First you say this then you say Rare's having titles on GBA will only help Nintendo and Microsoft? How will the exact same thing be the benefit of one company but then severly damage another?

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Second, you seem to forget that having Rare games on Nintendo's GBA not only makes M$ money, but it also benefits Nintendo as well, financially and otherwise.

All Microsoft sees here is the ability to make more money. They don't care that Nintendo is making money along with them. They would rather increase their revenue while improving Nintendo's than not increase their's at all. Microsoft doesn't (or doesn't seem to) have a handheld in the making therefore they are not hurting their business by allowing THQ to publish their games on another system.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2003, 08:48:32 PM »

I think Nintendo is smart enough to not make any agreements with Microsoft. Look up "Sendo" for a prime example of MS screwing over a smaller company.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2003, 09:35:08 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I think Nintendo is smart enough to not make any agreements with Microsoft. Look up "Sendo" for a prime example of MS screwing over a smaller company.

LOL I've got a more recent one. Look at what MS did to Nvidia with the X-box. They made an agreement based on sales projections of the X-box. They didn't meet those sales projections in fact they missed them by 40% and still forced Nvidia to sell them the X-Chip as if they didn meet their sales goals. That caused Nvidia to lose buttloads of money.

Darc Requiem

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:31:43 PM »

Not only that but with their demands they caused NVedia to miss a release for the PC cards and now they are 1/2 a step behind ATi. MS did a good job with NVidia.

Celebi · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2003, 11:54:25 PM »

The worst has yet to come for Nvidia,for the next line of GPUs ATI will be given special priviledges and Nvidia will be left with the plain stuff.
Its a matter of politics and dominance.Nintendo is always a japanese company at heart and if they were to give in for MS take over,the japanese videogame industry which they are so proud of will just go down like that.This is why until today the Xbox still cannot penetrate the Japanese market.Nintendo will be a sell off they are dare to team up with MS.They will never gain the respect from companies like SquareEnix,Capcom or Konami.The Sony-Nintendo cooperation is much better.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2003, 07:38:23 AM »

Yeah not only that. ATI will be getting additional revenue for each X-box 2 and Gamecube 2 sold. ATI avoided Nvidia's mistake with MS and set up a similar deal to their current Nintendo deal. They get paid per console. Not based on projected console sales. So ATI is going to make bucketloads of guaranteed money which they will undoubtly use to usurp Nvidia as the leader of the PC graphic's card market. ATI's hardware has never been in question. Its their drivers that have been at issue. If I were Nvidia I would try to find someway to weasel into the console market. Unfortunately I see no opening for them. ATI has Nintendo and MS. Sony will be using their alliance with Toshiba and IBM to develop custom hardware once more. There best shot is to try to weasel there way into the Sony alliance.

Darc Requiem

Celebi · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2003, 08:41:26 AM »

It would be stupit for Sony not to include a GPU this time.They probably will be keeping quiet about this until they finish touching up the processor.The reason why the PS2 was lacking was because it does not have a dedicated GPU and proper amount of memory.Nvidia turned towards IBM was because of this.They already sense that the MS relationship wouldn't work well and they need somewhere else to turn to in order to survive.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2003, 10:28:25 AM »

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Originally posted by: Celebi
It would be stupit for Sony not to include a GPU this time.They probably will be keeping quiet about this until they finish touching up the processor.The reason why the PS2 was lacking was because it does not have a dedicated GPU and proper amount of memory.Nvidia turned towards IBM was because of this.They already sense that the MS relationship wouldn't work well and they need somewhere else to turn to in order to survive.

Actually the PS2 does have a GPU. The problem with the PS2 is that Sony didn't hardcode special effects into its GPU. They focused on fillrate. So most effects on PS2 have to be done in software. Anti Aliasing is a real problem on PS2. An alliance between Sony and Nvidia isn't very likely unless Sony is unable to get the cost of the CELL processor down. The CELL processor is supposed to be a CPU/GPU/DSP all on one chip. Thats why I said its unlikely that they can weasel their way into the alliance.

Darc Requiem

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Author Topic: Factor 5+ATI+Microsoft+Nintendo= ??rumors (Read 7589 times)