Topic: What does Shig have planned for his GTA style game?

[nemo_83]

We all know he has expressed interest in the game.  I mean sure most of everything about the game is crap.  Camera, control, combat, and graphics.  But it is fun.  I had more fun with it than Mario Sunshine which was polished to the bone.  I mean it is easy to see what makes it fun.  It is like Driver meets Zelda.  In other words what I have always wanted in a driving game.  Open ended driving mayhem.  I like driving games and I have always wanted a driving game that lets me do what I want to do which is run over anybody, run from cops, escape the cops, and steel cars.  Tape on some boring missions and the ability to pull out weapons while on the prowl for a new car and you have a hit.

So why is Shig bringing it up for.  Does he want it to be exclusive.  Does he want a port.  Is he planning to rip it off.  Will it be a game based on steeling other people's vehicles (whatever those vehicles may be) or something similar in game design but totally original?

[PIAC]

the day senior shigeru miyamoto produces a gta clone is the day i hack both my arms of with rusty hooks.

[Mario]

All Miyamoto has said about GTA was that it sold well because it was a very fun game, not because of its content.... or maybe the other way around.

So, uh.... yeah.

[PIAC]

he liked the freedom and openess of the city, and thats about it if i rememebr correctly, the quality of GTA3 aside, people should create games based on their strengths, and with shigeru's track record, i doubt he would make a good GTA 3esque game, where as all his marios his zeldas his pikmins are top notch gaming fun!

[jmoe316]

Yeah, like the others said, he just commented on how good the game was, that's like the only thing he says when he refers to the game. He's never hinted at making a game similar. In fact, although don't quote me on this cuz i could be dead wrong, he said he didn't want to make a game like that for whatever reasons. Nintendo themselves making a game like that is very...well unNintendo. But I am sure if they asked any second party, they'd be happy to oblige. Companies such as Silicon Knights, Retro, etc, could make a great GTA-clone I think. Heck, look at Simpsons Hit & Run, that'll be a fun game...but imagine Mario Hit & Run... *drools*

[Grey Ninja]

The day Nintendo creates a GTA clone is the day I turn my back on gaming forever.  Quite simply because there would no longer be a reason for me to play games.

[rpglover]

mario will never start shooting hookers

but seriously i bet miyamoto could create a great gta game based off of what he has seen of it- but i doubt that he ever will
remember he likes to make content for all ages so his games can appeal to a broader audience of people

[Fish]

Actually, Miyamoto(Or was it Iwata) Said "Mario wont be shooting hookers anytime soon", but that was some time ago...
OMG, Grand Theft Mario is Coming! MEGATON!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!

[Termin8Anakin]

hahaha. megaton...............?.........Megaton?.........MEGATON?
OMFG!

Hahaha.
No, I think Shigsy is hinting at something.
Remember Denis Dyack's comments about how he'd love to do MGS?
Now Shigsy likes GTA?
That's something right there.

Now talk..........  

[egman]

I think he mainly admired the open-ended gameplay. I despise the content of GTA myself, but I can see how the lack of forced scenarios combined with a play area which is richly layered with things to do can be appealing. This is what keeps people playing the game, and it doesn't surprise me that Miyamoto admires this. This is a direction Nintendo themselves have been moving towards since the begining.

Zelda and Metroid were among the first games to really delve into non-linear adventure. Mario has increasingly become a non-linear styled game, particularily with his 3d outings. Animal Crossing is built entirely around the concept of a player creating his own experince. Then you have all quirky titles like Mario Paint and Stage Debut that also allow the player to shape their experince in a context outside of a typical game scenario. It's pretty clear that Nintendo sees the value of a player sculpted experince. However, the difference between Nintendo's work and that of Rockstar is that GTA has found a hook. People get drawn into the game because they can do things they are not allowed to do in the real world. Nintendo games do not cross that line of morality, and that is why something like Animal Crossing remains a niche title in spite of aspiring to the same gameplay goals.

Nintendo is full of endless talent and experince, so I think at some point they will figure out how to offer gamers a similar level of freedom, while at the same time not feeling like they have to feed into the more shallow and base desires of the consumers to sell the game.  

[Gohan_Chaos]

Its basically that GTA: Vice City has one of the greatest fun factors in gaming history,you could hi-jack cars, beat the crap out of people,go inside buildings,go on fun and destructive missions and all that sort of stuff, IF a GTA game does come out for the Gamecube (NOTE: Rockstar's contract with sony expires in 2004) then a lot of Gamecube fans are bound to get this incredible game, the idea of of gta being published by a third-party company like Retro,Silicon Knights etc., it'll have a chance of becoming a hit(MGS: The Twin Snakes),it would be great if Nintendo teamed up with Rockstar Games to develop a Gamecube exclusive GTA game, that'll dfinitely make any gamer want to get it because of the excellent fun factor,lol,so who knows, this could be possible and would surprise non-Nintendo fans,I bet a lot of Nintendo fans would just love to see it happen,and you guys must have read the new issue of EGM, perhaps Miyamoto has future plans with Rockstar and quite possibly their future of mature rated games will be much brighter,lol,well ltes just wait and see what happens come 2004

[Gohan_Chaos]

Its basically that GTA: Vice City has one of the greatest fun factors in gaming history,you could hi-jack cars, beat the crap out of people,go inside buildings,go on fun and destructive missions and all that sort of stuff, IF a GTA game does come out for the Gamecube (NOTE: Rockstar's contract with sony expires in 2004) then a lot of Gamecube fans are bound to get this incredible game, the idea of of gta being published by a third-party company like Retro,Silicon Knights etc., it'll have a chance of becoming a hit(MGS: The Twin Snakes),it would be great if Nintendo teamed up with Rockstar Games to develop a Gamecube exclusive GTA game, that'll dfinitely make any gamer want to get it because of the excellent fun factor,lol,so who knows, this could be possible and would surprise non-Nintendo fans,I bet a lot of Nintendo fans would just love to see it happen,and you guys must have read the new issue of EGM, perhaps Miyamoto has future plans with Rockstar and quite possibly their future of mature rated games will be much brighter,lol,well lets just wait and see what happens come 2004

[Gohan_Chaos]

My bad I was making corrections, ignore my first post

[kennyb27]

The only reason Miyamoto commented on a game like GTA is because he was directly asked about it.  And he wasn't about to deface his or another developer's name by making a harsh, but true, comment.

Nintendo would be turning their back on their own morals and mission by creating and more importantly publishing a GTA game.  It won't happen.

Note to Gohan_Chaos: Retro and SK are 2nd party and wouldn't publish games.

[XBR]

Somewhere i remember reading that Miyamoto likes the GTA games cause dispite their horrible graphics, they still sold very well.  Graphics dont make the games.

[joeamis]

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Originally posted by: egman
I think he mainly admired the open-ended gameplay. I despise the content of GTA myself, but I can see how the lack of forced scenarios combined with a play area which is richly layered with things to do can be appealing. This is what keeps people playing the game, and it doesn't surprise me that Miyamoto admires this. This is a direction Nintendo themselves have been moving towards since the begining.

Exactly, Miyamato liked the open-ended gameplay of GTA.  That doesn't mean he liked the content.  If Miyamato took the direction of the open-ended gameplay he would not be copying or making a "GTA clone".  Having the open-ended gameplay of GTA doesn't mean it has to be violent or anything like GTA content.

on the flip side of the coin though, if Rockstar teamed up with Nintendo or a 2nd party Nintendo developer and made a remake of say Vice City much like MGSTwinSnakes premise to release in late 2004 when sony's contract ends, that would be very cool and would do alot to make the mainstream gamers see Nintendo as less "kiddy"

[mouse_clicker]

I can't find the interview, but Miyamoto was basically asked what he thought abotu Grand Theft Auto 3 and it's sucess. Miyamoto said he thought it was a perfect example of how a game didn't need good graphics to sell well, if the gameplay was good enough. He said he really like the game's sense of freedom, as well, which he's trying to incorporate into his games.

Kenny: He didn't compliment GTA3 just because he was put on the spot, and just because you may not like GTA3 doesn't mean Miyamoto shares your opinion.

[nemo_83]

I believe that this EGM interview is the third time that he has discused it.  I think it may have been the first interview which he brought the game up.  He does like the fact that the game is sloppy but sales.  He has stated that the non linear gameplay reminded him of Zelda.  Of Nintendo games.  I swear to god that he said in a previous interview that he wanted to make a game like it minus the subject matter, or was planning a game like it.  He said he can't see himself doing a game with that kind of subject matter.  Well my question is simple, can the game be as fun if the subject matter is changed.  What will it be Grand Theft Mario Kart?  EGM wouldn't just bring up such subjects without reason.  Don't sell them short.  EGM knows stuff way ahead of the public.  I remember the Q saying that OoT was on its way to Cube and the next thing you know well you know the rest.  That was some time before the official announcement.  Or maybe it is just Nintendo secretly listening to what the fans are into...

I remember Dennis bringing up MGS a long time ago.  He is a tricksy hobbit.  I just hope he doesn't listen to the whiners and make ED2 easier.  ED had a great pacing of diffculty and I can only wish ED2 actually is harder or has a difficulty level option.    

[joeamis]

actually i see the new Starfox employing such open-ended gameplay, maybe that's why it looks so early.
maybe they scraped their original idea after seeing the success of GTA.

I mean in the Starfox level I saw from E3, they were in a city like GTA.  You could jump in a starwing fly around and shoot with it (like driving in GTA and running people over), you could go out on the wing of the starwing and shoot (like driveby's in GTA), you could land the plane and get out and run on foot and shoot (like GTA), and you could also get in tanks (like GTA).  
But really the key similarity is the open-ended gameplay of doing whatever you want.

EDIT: i also add that Starfox takes elements of Halo, where you can fight on foot or jump into a vehicle.

[mouse_clicker]

People think ED was too hard? I thought it was too easy- once you got the replenish and protect spells, there was almost nothing that could harm you or drain your sanity. Whenever you were almost insane or about to die, you could just refill both meters rather quickly, then cast a protect spell and you'd be safe from the monsters that do land attacks. I hope ED2 is harder (well, I hope there's an ED2 PERIOD- PLEASE Denis ).

[Fish]

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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
Hahaha.
No, I think Shigsy is hinting at something.
Remember Denis Dyack's comments about how he'd love to do MGS?
Now Shigsy likes GTA?
That's something right there.

Shigsy is like a mab boss, if he says he likes your shoes, you can be damn sure you see him walking in them tomorrow, and you will be either shoeless, or in the river.

[GoldShadow1]

"I mean in the Starfox level I saw from E3, they were in a city like GTA. You could jump in a starwing fly around and shoot with it (like driving in GTA and running people over), you could go out on the wing of the starwing and shoot (like driveby's in GTA), you could land the plane and get out and run on foot and shoot (like GTA), and you could also get in tanks (like GTA). "

Wasn't that a multiplayer demo?  Because that sounds a lot like the multiplayer from StarFox 64.

[Ocarina Blue]

In the 64 version, you choose how you were going to fight at the start of a round or whenever you died. You couldn't get in or out of tanks or the arwings, and the best level was 'Corneria city', a flat plane with 2 pyramids, a set of 3 metal hoop things, four rectangle buildings and a slightly raised area as features. But yes, I do remember seeing a video of a multiplayer Starfox that looked like that.  

[Termin8Anakin]

ED was great.
I hope ED2 is the game that is chosen to be the open-ended one. Or maybe even Too Human as well.
The thing is, the scale of ED isn't really that apparent, despite the claims to be epic. Large open areas of people fighting the Ancients would be cool.
Maybe the next game could be based around the Ancients have gone aboveground and started to take over the world, despite Pious' failure to bring back one of the Gods.

[Rich]

As much as the question about GTA in EGM with shig made me wonder. The part where shig asks the translator about pokemon made me wonder even more. What the hell could Nintendo be holding back from us. Whatever, I think Shig could make a great GTA clone. I mean he has so much experience with open-ended gameplay that he would be able to draw from that experience