Author Topic: Should Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles really use GBA connectivity?? (Read 15527 times)

DrForester · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:38:46 PM »

after playing FFCC at E3, it's very obvious that needing GBA's for multiplayer is a must. Otherwise you'd have to pause everytime someone wanted to use theirmenu. GBA makes it easier.

on the other end, i just didn't liek playing the game with a GBA much, wish they had a single player demo set up somewhere.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:50:12 PM »

I was to lazy to read everyones post, so sorry if this repeats anybody.

Look, you don't need the GBA/GC connectivity to play FF single player, all you need in that situation is a GC controller. Hell I'm not pissed off about this topic anymore, becuase I looked at it from a brighter perspective. For example, you wanted a FF for Nintendo for sometime right? Well your getting one, single player RPG loveliness all around you. Everyone couldn't be happier, but wait what is this, Square/Enix decided to put a feature for those die hard fans. Mulitplayer, hey sounds good to me...

As long as the game is awesome single player (I have high hopes), I really don't care. You shouldn't either, you wouldn't be crying about it if there wasn't a MP feature to begin with. So give it a rest. Mods I think I did you a favour since this is like the 20th thread that has been made about this.

EDIT: I just read what everyone said.....man were there alot of repeats. My bad.

cheers69 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:12:31 PM »

its just one of nintendo's marketing plans which will fail because i know i wont be buying this game now because of its lastability and i know my mates wont be.

shame on u nintendo shame on u

Mario · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:20:52 PM »

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My main beef with FF: CC's GBA connectivity is that judging by everything I've read about it, the feature was not needed and was only really added because connectivity was part of Nintendo's deal with Square.

GBA's are NEEDED. FFS, get it throught your thick heads that GBA's are NEEDED for the fantastic multiplayer mode. In the game, when you are playing with 4 players, there are menus that are designed ONLY to be seen by one person, how else can you do that without using the GBA? The GBA is needed for this game. With four controllers they would have to radically alter the game which would destroy its whole purpose. Also, Nintendo's goal for FF:CC sales wise, in Japan, is a mere 100,000 copies.

Im not buying it if they replace GBA's with normal controllers.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:41:51 PM »

"Also, Nintendo's goal for FF:CC sales wise, in Japan, is a mere 100,000 copies."

That's just how many will be initally shipped.
I'm sure both Nintendo and Square Enix expect the game to sell A LOT more than that.
They just want to be careful. With a game as experimental and unique as FF:CC you never know what could happen. The game could just as easily be revolted against as it could take Japan by storm. The number of copies in later shipments will be determined by how quickly those initial 100,000 go.
I'm pretty sure the game will at least hit the one million mark over there and guarantee we'll get a sequel.
It's a great game with the words "final" and "fantasy" on the box-art. That's pretty much all a game needs to be a big hit in Japan.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:00:12 PM »

Final Fantasy Pong, with customizable character paddles and pong balls!

Now there's a winner.

SuperLink666 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:01:24 PM »

I read something about compairing multiplayer in SSBM to FFCC.

My problem is I have NOBODY that owns a GBA. That means I won't be playing multiplayer unless I can convince some people to fork out $150 for one. Yah sure it will be fun playing the multiplayer but it is just so costly. It would be alright if I was rich

Cap · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:22:36 PM »

i bought my gba for the sole purpose of the gc link, and i have been quite dissapointed so far. but i have been looking forward to this game ever since it was announced that it would use the gba link, and more specifically require a gba. it doesnt seem like they did as much as they could have with the link, but i'll hold judgement until i get to play it. but i'll say what has already been said, and thats that you dont need a gba to play single player(which ff games usually are). and theres always the option of just not buying the game. i'm personnaly hoping for more games that make use of the gba link as ff:cc does.

Gohan_Chaos · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2003, 07:37:26 AM »

For everyone of you guys who are hating against my idea back off shut your trap, cough(Mario,Ken,Mike Knowsnothing) I NEVER SAID THAT I LIKE THE GBA MORE THAN THE GAMECUBE!:

, and I personally don't care for those of you who wont get Final Fantasy:Crystal Chronicles if Nintendo and Square-Enix decide to change the multiplayer crap to using regular controlls, that's your problem, heck It would be better for gamers because they won't have to waste money on the gbas and link cables

, so for those of you who supported me, thanks a lot,

kennyb27 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2003, 09:53:37 AM »

Woah, calm down, it's called an opinion and we are all entitled to one. If you post a controversial thread, you are going to get controversial replies, it's that simple. As far as your comment about GBA games in comparison to GameCube ones, you simply commented,

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I think that the Square-Enix games for GBA are a whole lot better than this 1

So I took it a step further and said that maybe you would be better off with those games.

Also I have to agree with the point proposed by Don'tHate742: Square doesn't normally release Multi-player RPG's, so in order to enjoy the Square "experience" just buy the game and play single-player. If you want something extra (something not included in other Square games) you have to have something extra.

And Gohan, I didn't mean any offense by any statements, I hope you don't judge me on that.

Round Eye · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2003, 10:13:40 AM »

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
This is not a substitiute for online. Online isn't profitable at the time, because most people still have dial up connections, which would create haorrible lag problems, which would mean not fun, which would mean not many people buy. This is something, that at the time, only Nintendo can do. So why not do it?

I agree, it seems to be a very good idea for this game. And GBA connectivity is a neat addition to other games. What bothers me is Nintendo appears to be hyping connectivity as the future of gaming, which it is definitly not. Online is the future, well actually the present Nintendo is lagging, and I believe they using this connectivity thing to try and hold us till they reveal their online plans.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2003, 11:52:22 AM »

I don't think they're hyping it up to be the future of gaming. But they are hyping it, and so far they haven't delivered. Nobody seems to have mentioned that Pac-Man game shown at E3 that needed GBA link-up, which is weird because I think that looks like alot of fun.

I do believe that this might be to hold us off until they release there late planes for bringing the Gamecube online. Personally, I don't really care about online gaming, though. Especially if it has voice communication like xbox live. I've heard some bad things about bad people who say bad things on xbox live.

I like that last sentance.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #37 on:** August 22, 2003, 05:10:51 PM »

http://www.penny-arcade.com/

Read Gabe's latest post about this game. He is commenting on the game just for all you people who don't like the GCN/GBA connectivity.

PIAC · « **Reply #38 on:** August 22, 2003, 08:12:36 PM »

hahahah that sounds awsome connectivity = perfect use in this game! and anyone that doesn't like it can face mr stabby..

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #39 on:** August 22, 2003, 08:33:01 PM »

I read that article the game sounds fun. And yes it was going to be my point in that managing inventory in game can cause a mess of hurt especially during the heat of battle when an idiot such as my little brother decides he wants to change something. This help eliminate that. (Oh I'm going to copy that article and put it in a word doc so I can reference it.)

Gup · « **Reply #40 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:23:20 AM »

I like the idea. I'm tired of people pausing a game in the middle of an intense fight(DOA2, GGX2, Cap vs SNK, Def Jam) to check specials or just waste time. Having a menu 24/7 with no pauses to disrupt the gameplay is cool. My only problemis that with just the digital controls, there probably won't be good movements since it's just 8-way directions.

Clonester · « **Reply #41 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:11:17 PM »

I would say (as a general comparison) that FF:CC is like Steel Batallion in the sense that yes, you have to pay a large sum of money for hardware, but if you can afford it it's a great game (so I've heard). If you don't have a pile of GBA's or friends with them, and you don't have a pile of link cables, then you're out of luck unless you want to dish out some cash. That's probably the biggest reason why people are dissapointed/upset about the feature, because they can't meet the requirements and will miss out on a game they really want (or will be "stuck" playing singleplayer). I guess it's too bad for those people, of which I am one of (only my GBA SP and one link cable, none of my friends have a GBA). Thankfully we will have Tales Of Symphonia, which has been on the top of my most anticipated list for quite some time, and doesn't have any extra hardware requirements.

PIAC · « **Reply #42 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:20:29 PM »

by the time FF CC is out, regular GBA's should be pretty cheep to pick up second hand, and then you bonus from having a great hand held system as well, infact by the time its out you could probably pick up some GBA's for the cost of a new controller, which wouldn't make the outlay to play multiplayer any more expensive than it normally would be.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #43 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:41:42 PM »

Gabe posted 2 excellent rants about this today on Penny-Arcade:

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I have been meaning to talk about Crystal Chronicles for a while now but I’ve just been playing it instead. I took a break to check out some forums and get some tips when I saw this post:

From: OSX | Posted: 8/20/2003 9:01:44 PM | Message Detail

Dont call me a newb i just wanna know.

So, you need 4 GBA's to play multiplayer? Because if thats that case, nintendo and square have just made the biggest mistake ever...

My immediate reaction is to call this guy a f**king sh*tstick but then I thought “No. He’s not a sh*tstick, he is just uninformed.” Since I’ve seen this same comment made by lots of people recently and I figured since I’ve actually played the game with four players I should address it here and perhaps ease some fears.

First of all yes it is true that in order to play with four players each person needs their own GBA. While it might sound odd at first, in practice it ends up being f**king brilliant. Imagine that you are playing with three other people. If you haven’t seen the game it’s not played in split screen. Picture a game like Hunter or Zombie Revenge. You’re all on the same screen fighting monsters and picking up loot. Now imagine that you need to access your inventory so that you can equip a new spell you picked up. Were it not for the GBA’s you would have to pause the game in order to bring up your inventory. Meanwhile no one else in your party can do sh*t because your cycling through menu screens looking for that new Ice spell you just grabbed. That’s bullsh*t and it would never work.

Instead what happens is that you hit the select button on your GBA and immediately you have access to your entire inventory and character customization menus via the GBA screen. You can sit there and alphabetize your items if you want and you aren’t bothering anyone else. The game is continuing on without you and your character automatically moves to keep up with the rest of the party. The other thing it allows is for multiple people to be using their inventories at the same time. I can be dropping Money for one person while he is dropping a spell for me. F**king brilliant! This sort of thing would never be possible without the GBA.

Square also uses the GBA connectivity in other cool ways. One person in your party will have access to the map of the level you are in. It’s random so you never know who will be the navigator from level to level. You’re also given goals via your GBA screen before levels begin. Certain things like “Only use magic to kill monsters” or “don’t pick up any items”. Everyone is graded at the end of the level according to how well they accomplished these goals and the people with the highest scores get first dibs on specific kinds of loot picked up by the party during the level.

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Wow. I don’t know what to say. You guys seem determined to hate this game.

I just got a ton of mail from people who, after everything I just said still think using the GBA is a bad idea and are pissed at Square and Nintendo for requiring it.

I was trying to be cool in the post above. Trying to explain why it’s actually a very good idea but that didn’t work and so now I’m just going to be honest.

You do not have to own four GBA’s! Each person that wants to play needs to own ONE GBA! If your friends do not own a GBA already, then I think you need to get yourself some new f**king friends.

I definitely agree with his last line, which is apart of Bill's signature now.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #44 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:46:28 PM »

Hehe...just 5 minutes ago I made it part of my sig. ^_^

edit: bah, you beat me to the punch...

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #45 on:** August 26, 2003, 11:28:15 AM »

Tycho's post yesterday just kind of served to piss me off. I am just glad it was Tycho and not Gabe though. Tycho often strikes me as being kind of an idiot, but Gabe doesn't ever really dissapoint me.

But yeah, those of you bitching that you need to buy 3 more GBAs to play the game, I guess that you also forgot that you need to hire 3 hookers to play with you too. Bummer.

But that being said, if I am ever stinking filthy rich, I am definately going to have hookers over every night to play video games with me.

I am just geeky enough that that would be a HUGE turnon for me. Maybe rent a PS2 and get some Rez action going... yeah. That would be fan****ingtastic.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 26, 2003, 01:09:06 PM »

Let me say this directly to the stupid sob that came up with the idea of connectivity over online play or just being able to play 4 player without the GBA. You can go to hell and die. I sold that pos no light hand cramping overpriced piece of junk for the GBA player and now you want me to buy a new one and a link cable? Go to hell. I wanted this game now I won't even think of buying it. You want to make games simpler and easier to get into Nintendo? Stop being so damn hypocritical you pigs. The GBA should be used to sell GC and GC games rather than using the GC to sell the most successful system on the market. God what are they thinking. I really wanted to play this game after seeing that it was live action battling, now I say screw it. Nintendo makes another decission like this with another major system pusher and they are toast. Lets say the average smuck who has a PS2 sees the commercial and wants the game. There is no way he has three friends with GBAs and the money to buy a GC, FFCC, a memory card, extra controllers, a GBA, and a link cable. I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts. So let me say go to hell one more time.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #47 on:** August 26, 2003, 01:20:13 PM »

Someone's got some deep psychological issues that extend far beyond gaming.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #48 on:** August 26, 2003, 01:43:23 PM »

He needs to get a clue, that's what I think. this line here sums up why I say this:

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I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts

Michael8983 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 26, 2003, 02:22:20 PM »

"The GBA should be used to sell GC and GC games rather than using the GC to sell the most successful system on the market."

It is selling Gamecubes. GCN sales doubled when the game was released in Japan.
It's actually an ingenius way to sale Gamecubes. People who already own Gamecubes are buying the game, inviting their GBA-only friends over to play it, and hopefully getting them more interested in buying a Gamecube themselves.

"Lets say the average smuck who has a PS2 sees the commercial and wants the game. There is no way he has three friends with GBAs and the money to buy a GC, FFCC, a memory card, extra controllers, a GBA, and a link cable."

First off, remove "extra controllers" from the list. The game uses GBAs INSTEAD of controllers.
The memory card would be needed with ANY game.
There's an excellent chance the PS2 owner already has a GBA and, unless he's a total shut-in, he probably has at least one other friend with a GBA which is enough for multiplayer. Four players is just the
The link-cables are very inexpensive and one is even included with the game.
But all you really need to buy to play the game is a Gamecube (w/controller) and memory card because. . .

"I would rather have just bought the game and been able to sit down by myself and play it like Kingdom Hearts."

You can!
The 1P mode doesn't require a GBA. You can play it with the normal controller. You can buy it for the 1P mode and maybe sometime in the future you'll be able to try the multiplayer with GBAs.

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Author Topic: Should Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles really use GBA connectivity?? (Read 15527 times)