Author Topic: Baten Kaitos (Read 33905 times)

HiTmaN · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:44:38 PM »

Quick question real fast about Xenogears....its a mecha rpg game?!? Is it just like the regular turn based fighting system or is it big robots fighting...that would be sweet. Anyway I dont like card battles either. Mouse is clearly saying he wont like the game because of previous card base battle games. Since most card base battle games are the same, why try this one? It has new features, big whoop card games do get boring and dont have action but thats my opinion.

Mario · « **Reply #51 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:51:45 PM »

Yes Mouse Clicker, im obviously forcing my opinion down your throat *rolls eyes until they bleed*.

Im just concerned over the fact that you think this game is crap already, and you could be missing out on a great game. And also, i find it hard to believe you wont like the game because instead of choosing attacks from a menu, you choose them from a "card". That's just ridiculous.

Oh well, youre the one missing out on possibly a great game, not me.

Carry on.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #52 on:** July 22, 2003, 08:00:52 PM »

Okay, okay- I'm posting one more time because you have my opinions all wrong. I NEVER said I thought the game would be crap- show me where I said that and I'll give you 5 bucks. I said, and this part is important, I wouldn't enjoy the game- if you can't distinguish the two, it's obvious why we've been fighting. And we're past the part about whether or not I like card based battles, because I think you'll find I've said numerous times I don't. I could just as easily say I find it hard to believe you don't like selecting attacks from a menu as opposed to pressing a button to perform them, but I already know you've told me you're not too fond of turn-based battles, so I won't even bring that up. I hope we're all clear there.

Mario · « **Reply #53 on:** July 22, 2003, 08:13:33 PM »

You cant be 100% sure that you wont enjoy it unless you have played it. But im stopping now and..... going somewhere elsee because you seem to be just saying the same thing over and over again so theres no point arguing. Enjoy NOT playing Baiton Kaitos.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #54 on:** July 22, 2003, 08:15:47 PM »

I will, thanks.

I'll probably spend the $50 on the Family Guy DVD and Anthem, or something.

PIAC · « **Reply #55 on:** July 22, 2003, 08:17:21 PM »

nope! dont think we are, fight fight fight! *throws eggs at mouse_clicker*

ThePerm · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2003, 10:29:58 PM »

i only like turn based games that dont have random battles...like earthbound or Paper Mario...and pokémon allows you to decide whether or not to be in the grass and get atacked or avoid the trainors....except the damn caves i hate those!
I also like games like shining force...and ill prolly love Fire Emblem.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2003, 11:06:02 PM »

Sigh, I'd have better luck talking to brickwall. I've lost a lot respect for you over this Mouse. You opinion isn't wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion. That said the fact that you can't even fathom the possibility of Baten Kaitos being enjoying for you is quite sad. Purely based off of assumption and your experience with previous titles you've written off a game you haven't even played and that none of us has any concrete details on. I despise Final Fantasy 7 and I think its complete crap but you know how I formed my opinion? I actually played the friggin game. Now there are plenty of people who have played Final Fantasy 7 and love it. The keyword thing here is playing the game and forming an opinion. The fact that you can't see what I and other have been trying to point out to you is sad.

I've had debates about Nintendo's direction and other topics where I've vehemently disagreed with other posters and went back and forth about it. Sometimes my opinion changes, sometimes it remains the same but I usually can ascertain the where the other person is coming from. I can respect their opinion because I see why they have come to their position. In this case I'm at a loss. You have nothing to go on and I myself don't know how the game will turn out.

As I've said before it could be terrible and it could be great. If we were discussing a title that we've all played and you said you hated the battle system that would be fine, but you haven't played it. You could play it and think its the best damn game ever but you won't. Its gamers like you that cause outstanding unique titles to sit on the shelves while shovelware sells in droves. You assume something it makes it fact and thats that. Nothing will change your opinion period. It reminds me of the people I try to get to try out my Gamecube. They haven't played Cube, but they assume the controller sucks, they assume that none of the games will appeal to them, and they don't play it so they won't ever find out. They could hate it, they could love it but like you they've already made their decision and thats that. Okay well its late, I'm burned out and frankly I give up.

Darc Requiem

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #58 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:35:48 AM »

Darc, I am actually in 100% agreement with you on this one. It's not like Mouse Clicker is presenting a valid point, or defending his point of view in a logical manner.

In his eyes, it goes like this:

"The battle system is card based. I hate card based games, and since the battle system of an RPG is the most important factor of me enjoying it, I will not like Baten Kaitos."

It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity". But even that was more understandable than Mouse Clicker's statement. It's not like Baten Kaitos' battle system resembles ANYTHING that's out at the moment. You don't collect cards, you don't play any card games to fight battles, I get the impression that the combat is VERY fast paced, and resembles Tetris more than anything else. Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief. I seriously thought he was more rational than that. That's about the equivalent of hating a game just because it's on PS2 or Xbox in my books.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #59 on:** July 23, 2003, 06:25:11 AM »

Mouse Clicker, you are starting to sound a lot like me LOL, welcome to the dark side.

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It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity".

First of all Ninja my boy, its not sad at all, it his opinion, and he is entitled to it. As for Wind Waker, if people choose not to play it based on its look then so be it. Visuals play a huge role in what people enjoy or dont enjoy, so not liking the way a game looks is a valid reason not to play it. Sorry if this goes against your always correct logic.

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Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief.

Seeing a bunch of lunatics trying to convince someone of what he likes or doesnt like is what I find disturbing. He doesnt like cards, simple as that, regardless of how you use them they are still there, it is perfectly acceptable to assume that he wont like this game as a result. I hate celery, you put celery in a dish and I can promise you, without even trying it, that I wont like it.

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I seriously thought he was more rational than that.

oh the irony.

I really could care less about an RPG as I cant stand them all, I prefer sports games. Please feel free to attack me for that, because remeber opinion is not welcome by many here.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #60 on:** July 23, 2003, 06:30:35 AM »

The game looks interesting, but ToS is definitely more to my liking. I'll just have to see what Namco will do to seperate itself from other card games like Lost Kingdoms.

Fish · « **Reply #61 on:** July 23, 2003, 07:39:49 AM »

No bandwidth theft please.

Gohan_Chaos · « **Reply #62 on:** July 23, 2003, 08:17:41 AM »

Actually gamers bought Wind Waker because they've loved the previous Zeldas, Mouse, don't get me wrong, but this game has a great chance of becoming a great card-based RPG game like PSO3, which is going to use a card system, it doesen't hurt to try at least one card-based RPG like Lost Kingdoms 1, what you see can't hurt you, give those types of games a try before you decide to hate them, no offense,

Round Eye · « **Reply #63 on:** July 23, 2003, 08:54:42 AM »

Whoa, people must be really attached to card based battle systems here. I am surprised Mouse_clicker's comments elicted such emotional response. Some people just may not have the time
to and check out every game made by man kind. Sometimes you have to apply some criteria to a game before you go and play it, and usually that criteria is based on your likes and dislikes. Me, I am not a big fan of RPGs so I don't go and play everyone that comes out. I try a few odd ones here and there, ussually getting about 45mins into it before losing interest, I blame it on my ADD. Mouse obviously does not like the card battle system, get over it.

rpglover · « **Reply #64 on:** July 23, 2003, 09:52:42 AM »

have you seen the video for the battle system yet...
it looks pretty cool if you ask me- it seems to keep you on your toes the whole time- you must choose the attacks quickly to make the combos
and the cards that are dealt out are random so your selection can be different every time
it looks really nice- cant wait for this game

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #65 on:** July 23, 2003, 10:40:38 AM »

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Originally posted by: Round Eye
Whoa, people must be really attached to card based battle systems here. I am surprised Mouse_clicker's comments elicted such emotional response.

Make no mistake. We are arguing with Mouse Clicker because he has said that he will not like the game based on one line about the game that has been released and nothing else.

He's free to like and dislike any game he chooses of course, but I demand that he base his decisions on something a little less shallow. It's like refusing to play Mario Sunshine because it's in a tropical environment, and you hate the sun.

ThePerm · « **Reply #66 on:** July 23, 2003, 11:12:03 AM »

goddamnit i hate the sun! I love torpical music and Mario sunshien though!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #67 on:** July 23, 2003, 12:28:00 PM »

At least a few people get what I mean- thanks, cubedcanuck. Maybe you guys are different, but if I can't have fun fighting enemies in an RPG, which comprises something like 90% of the gameplay in such games, I can't have fun with the game. If someone hated football, would you tell them to pick up Madden NFL 2004? NO!

Anyway, how about we get off the mouse bashing and on to serious discussion, guys- you obviously don't understand what I'm saying, so it's no used trying to change my opinion.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #68 on:** July 23, 2003, 12:43:34 PM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
Mouse Clicker, you are starting to sound a lot like me LOL, welcome to the dark side.

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It's truly sad. When Wind Waker came out, I had to deal with all kinds of people both online, and in real life who wouldn't even pick the game up because it looked too "fruity".

First of all Ninja my boy, its not sad at all, it his opinion, and he is entitled to it. As for Wind Waker, if people choose not to play it based on its look then so be it. Visuals play a huge role in what people enjoy or dont enjoy, so not liking the way a game looks is a valid reason not to play it. Sorry if this goes against your always correct logic.

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Seeing Mouse Clicker saying that he will hate it without a shadow of a doubt, just because it uses cards rather than a menu system is disturbing beyond belief.

Seeing a bunch of lunatics trying to convince someone of what he likes or doesnt like is what I find disturbing. He doesnt like cards, simple as that, regardless of how you use them they are still there, it is perfectly acceptable to assume that he wont like this game as a result. I hate celery, you put celery in a dish and I can promise you, without even trying it, that I wont like it.

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I seriously thought he was more rational than that.

oh the irony.

I really could care less about an RPG as I cant stand them all, I prefer sports games. Please feel free to attack me for that, because remeber opinion is not welcome by many here.

Well if you actually read any of my posts you would understand I'm not telling him what to like or not like. All I was asking for him to do is entertain the possibility that he could enjoy the game. There certain genre's of games that I don't like. That said that doesn't mean I'm gonna hate every game in that genre that just irrational and moronic. There is always an exception. My best friend hates sports game but he will at least give them a try. He loved Virtua Tennis which is a sports game. Using your logic. He would have never played it and missed out on one of his favorite games. There are plenty of people that hate fighting games but like Super Smash Bros. I have friend that dislike 3D fighters but loves Soul Calibur. I have yet to play a card based RPG I like but that doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore the whole genre and possibly miss out on my favorite games. Back in the NES days, I hated RPGs. I'd only played Hydlide and Deadly Towers both of which sucked and assumed that if its an RPG it must suck. Then I got a free copy of Dragon Warrior with my Nintendo power and now I love RPGs....go figure.

Darc Requiem

theRPGFreak · « **Reply #69 on:** July 26, 2003, 10:49:33 AM »

Baten Kaitos looks great, mouse_clicker wont want to play it, and Grey Ninja needs to play Xenosaga a.s.a.p. because it is even better than FFX. Case closed.

Polyethylene · « **Reply #70 on:** July 26, 2003, 12:05:27 PM »

When i knew that Namco was making another RPG for the Cube i got very exciting but then i knew that it was going to be a card battle game and that turned me off but latter i saw some movies about it and i must say that this game looks awesome check for yourself:

Movies: Story, Gameplay & Batle system

PIAC · « **Reply #71 on:** July 26, 2003, 03:54:20 PM »

how on EARTH can you hate celery? thats blasphemey! you should be banned at ONCE! celery = god! *slaps cubedcanuck around with a celery stalk*

but anyway, as other people have said, atleast try the game, you could hate it and have been right all along, but then you could go hey... this isn't so bad, ive never even played a card based game and when i heard PSO 3 was going to be card based i was a bit annoyed, only because i loved PSO and didn't want it changed, but ill still give it a go.

or like... don't, it wont effect my life in the slightest, its just my opinon that you should give it a go.

Mannypon · « **Reply #72 on:** July 26, 2003, 10:03:02 PM »

aight, back to the matter at hand, the game looks like its goin to be good given the company's track record and the people behind the developement of the game are a few people from crono cross and a few others so chances are that it'll come out good. I aint too keen on the card based fightin either but I'v never played a card based rpg before so I guess Ima find out soon enough lol. As far as best rpgs of all time goes lol, my opinion on that is ff3(6) and chrono trigger tied for 1st then xenogears second, suikoden 2 and then 1. I havent been to fond of squaresoft ever since they went commercial and started to really focus on fmvs, huge annoyin summons and main characters that most the time resemble females and are always dressed in some abstract outfits, but thats just me lol. Xenogears though, I believe, is the best rpg released after the glory years of the rpg (snes era). What I'll like to see in todays rpgs is more customization. Forget preset lead characters and throw in character creations, also have all armor and weapons visible on the character when equiped. Like that I can further engross myself in the story since I'm feelin as if I'm an intregal part of the story and not just an observer. Character classes would also be a nice addition I'll like to see in more rpgs. The more I can customize, the more replay value the game will have. One thing I'll love to see squaresoft do though with their style and approach to rpgs now a days is have them make a tradition rpg with knights and the such. With their highly detailed and lifelike graphics they can really make a gritty lookin rpg set in true midevil times. Something like the final fantasy tactics storyline and atmosphere but in a more tradition rpg and with the production value of a true final fantasy. Alas lol, I doubt I'll ever see anything like that but I can always dream lol. Oh, and dont mind the spellin lol, its gone to sh*t over the past 2 or so yrs for some reason lol.

PIAC · « **Reply #73 on:** July 26, 2003, 10:15:56 PM »

hey manny, try an rpg on the pc like Arcanum, Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights etc, they have features you are looking for

Mannypon · « **Reply #74 on:** July 26, 2003, 10:25:18 PM »

yeah, I know pc rpgs have alot of those options but Ive tried a few and they never really catch me like console rpgs and alot of them are mmorpgs. I'm too rooted into console games though lol, I feel strange playin without a control in ma hand lol. I'm still waitin for counter strike to drop on xbox even though everyone knows you better off wit the pc version but I cant get past the keyboard feel lol. Star Wars KOTOR on xbox was a nice mix of pc and console rpg (more pc than console though) I believe that style should be used lil more often with console rpgs.

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Author Topic: Baten Kaitos (Read 33905 times)