Author Topic: Operating Systems (Read 16156 times)

PIAC · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2003, 06:27:58 PM »

get the newest version, Windows 2k, i like it, i was going to use it on this pc, but i managed to lose my copy (its in the house... somewhere) so i now have Xp Pro.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2003, 06:54:18 PM »

Windows 2k as in...Windows 2000? *Runs away screaming*

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:26:27 AM »

HiTmaN, Windows NT isn't that bad. It's stable as hell, the only problem with it is compatability. To be perfectly honest, there isn't much that DOES run on it. That's the reason I use Windows XP. Windows 2000 is also a pretty good OS.

I would really REALLY advise using the version of Windows 98 that you have, even if it is incomplete.

My Windows 98 CD is corrupted, and there's one file that I can't use when installing. I eventually managed to install it using Windows 95 at first, then upgrading to Windows 98. It wasn't the most stable OS ever, but it was a hell of a lot better than ME.

I would seriously advise finding a copy of Windows 98 or 2000 ASAP if you are sick of Windows ME.

ThePerm · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2003, 09:56:43 AM »

mr. Hitokiri Battousai Kenshin Himora what would a 19th century assassin/wanderor know about operating systems. Ah the Rorouni Kenshin series makes me feel incredibly sad.

I still use 98...iv had it for five years and i know the ins and outs of the interface...XP is a nice operayting system... stable and all...but im really not used to it. Theyve gona and changed things around and it serves me better actualy to use the older operating system.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2003, 11:06:26 AM »

That will do you pretty good, but also start naming the parts. What kind of computer do you have, anyway? You might have a slocket, in which case the cpu will look like a big pci card covered by a heatsink. You won't see that on any processor now, but the term is good. Also you are going to need these few terms a tad down the road

Socket T- this is intels new socket it consists of 775 pins and is on a land grid array

LGA-the land grid array basically means there are no pins, really only soldering point.

Socket 940-this is actually an optoron socket, but athlon 64 will be introduced to it

Socket939-the athlon 64 will reduce to this quickly after 940

socket 754-this will be the athlon 64s single channel socket until mid next yuet

socket 940 (again?) - sometime next year amd will release the dual channel athlon which because of the built in memory controller will need a new socket. Since opteron already uses dual channel this is the best clue we have so far.

About new cpus:

Prescott: .09 micron process, 13 Prescott new insturctions, extended hyper-threading, 1MB cache starts at 3.4-4.4 tejas introduced 800mhz bus

breaking that down: Prescott has what we will call SSE3 built in this time as it will probablly be pentium 5. From what has been slipping out linux makes great use of the hyperthreading, but windows hasn't gotten crap from it (lazy bsatards at microsoft) the 1MB cache will though make this a very speedy chip. If its any indication the 2.8Ghz xeon with 1MB cache blows away the 2.8ghz with 512 by 15% or so.

Now if you are an overclocker... the idea of having a new core start at 3.4ghz makes us wonder how far this thing will go. At even a modest overclock of 250mhz fsb thats 4.25ghz, the highest OC I have seen yet if it could attain the 300mhz fsb some 2.4Cs have gotten, well 5.1ghz is overkill. Most likely I would say normal OC would be 266fsb, which would give you dual ddr2 533mhz, and a chip of about 4.5ghz, not bad at all.

But alas we are getting into higher multipliers, so maybe not.

Athlon 64: don't even worry about it until it hit .09 process q2 next year. it won't be worth it until then.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:27:33 PM »

Thanks Grey Ninja, as soon as I decide to not be lazy anymore I'll try to install Windows98SE. Manunited I have a....ummm Gateway. If I can find the model I'll show you it has a pretty odd tower. Its smaller then most and it lies flat...I'm not sure if I can get a pic it may be a little oldish....do you want the specs though?

HiTmaN · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2003, 03:41:47 PM »

Grey Ninja I ran into a problem (again) lol, alright I put in the Windows98 SE cd. I got all the way to the point where it start to install, but before it installed anything I got a message that said The installation cannot continue, this OS is designed for a computer without an OS, and cannot upgrade 2000 to 98...so I'm guessing I have to uninstall my current OS. How would I do that?

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2003, 08:23:20 PM »

erm... I'll get back to you on that. I have to go to work right now, and can't give a detailed description right now. I did give KnowsNothing some instruction on how to do that in another thread though. You could try looking for that.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2003, 10:50:00 PM »

Alright I found that thread, but didnt help me. When I press F8 I dont get a command prompt only choice. I get these

1. Normal
2.Bootlog
3.Safe Mode
4. Step by step configuration

When I put the Windows98 cd in and hit F8 at the bottom if I pressed F5 it said command prompt. I hit that then it took me to this thing where it said <A:/> or somethin like that and I couldn't get out so I restarted. I tried calling Microsoft for help, but of course the richest company in the world wants a measly $30 to speak to a representative.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:44:20 AM »

Yeah, F5 is what I meant.

It's been years since I have used Win9x, and I have forgotten subtleties like that.

The thing that said A:\ on the screen was in fact the command prompt.

All the instructions I gave before and after that point are valid.

MAKE SURE THAT YOU BACKUP ALL YOUR IMPORTANT FILES

The reason I say that is that by typing format c: at the command prompt, you will be erasing every last scrap of data on your hard drive, starting completely fresh again. That's not a bad thing, as it will make your computer run faster by removing all the excess baggage, but it will take you a while to get everything back to normal.

I am not trying to be mean by saying this or anything... but I find it truly sad that in today's world, someone can actually not know what the command prompt looks like... It's like looking at a NES and not knowing what that is. 10 years ago, everyone who used a computer would know exactly what a command prompt was, and would have some idea of what to do with it. Nowadays, it seems like the only way people know about it somewhat is by playing Enter the Matrix.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2003, 09:27:09 AM »

Haha thanks for the help. I've just been with the new generation of computers where I dont have to do anything. The only thing I want to save is My Shared Folder in Kazaa Lite. Thanks again, time to install.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2003, 10:52:18 AM »

Blah, alright lol. When I got to the command prompt I type format c:. It gave a bad filename error or somethin like that. So I opened MS-DOS and typed format c: it said Do you want to format etc I said yes, then I got a message that said Format cancelled, something else is writing to this drive

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Grey Ninja · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2003, 10:55:52 AM »

ok, look in the folder: c:/windows/command/

Find either format.com or format.exe (not sure which it is). Copy that file to your boot disk, and you are good to go. Just restart with the boot disk in your drive.

You cannot format your hard drive from within Windows, as Windows won't allow you to overwrite a file that's in use.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2003, 11:40:44 AM »

lol sorry to sound so stupid, but is my boot disk the windows 98cd

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2003, 11:42:38 AM »

erm... no. You go to the control panel and click on the system button (I think), and look for the make startup disk option.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2003, 12:18:27 PM »

Lol this is really getting on my nerves, it says I need a disk to put all these files, I dont have any disks anymore...I cant use cds either I guess.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2003, 07:02:19 AM »

Ya go ahead and post the specs, I will probablly be able nto track down your motherboard and all that crap, since gateway is too much of a jackass company to openly identify the parts they use, beside the cpu.

If it is a pentium 2, pentium 3 early model, or early model athlon it will most likely be a slotkey. That goes for xeon pentium 2s and 3s.

When you are looking at your motherboard try identifying the main parts first cpu, ram and slots, ata inputs (drive hookups)

The ATX cable input. If you have a 12V booster line or an AT in line check those too.

Identify your PCI risers, if you have an ISA find that too. Identify AGP slot.

Now look for the BIOS chip/ bios socket chip. it will have a shiny sticker on it saying something bios. Most likely an AMI or Award bios if it is gateway.

Now look on your motherboard for any motherboard names anywhere. You will probablly see some little snipit, or maybe you wont. Download CPU-z or wcpuid to get some information on your cpus bus speed and speed of cpu. Also try to identify what kind of RAM you are using. With that I could probablly tell you the chipset and probablly the motherboard you are using.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2003, 07:03:22 AM »

Ya go ahead and post the specs, I will probablly be able nto track down your motherboard and all that crap, since gateway is too much of a jackass company to openly identify the parts they use, beside the cpu.

If it is a pentium 2, pentium 3 early model, or early model athlon it will most likely be a slotkey. That goes for xeon pentium 2s and 3s.

When you are looking at your motherboard try identifying the main parts first cpu, ram and slots, ata inputs (drive hookups)

The ATX cable input. If you have a 12V booster line or an AT in line check those too.

Identify your PCI risers, if you have an ISA find that too. Identify AGP slot.

Now look for the BIOS chip/ bios socket chip. it will have a shiny sticker on it saying something bios. Most likely an AMI or Award bios if it is gateway.

Now look on your motherboard for any motherboard names anywhere. You will probablly see some little snipit, or maybe you wont. Download CPU-z or wcpuid to get some information on your cpus bus speed and speed of cpu. Also try to identify what kind of RAM you are using. With that I could probablly tell you the chipset and probablly the motherboard you are using.

Rhoq · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:06:56 AM »

Windows...Blah!

PCs...Blah!

Buy a Mac. Once you experience the awesome and superior MacOS-X, you will wonder how you ever put up with Windows

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:35:55 AM »

Yeah, you will be thrilled with your Mac, right up to the moment that you want to use it for something... I mean, browsing all the OSes features has to get boring sometime right? Sooner or later, I am sure that you will want to play a game or something... right then is where the faults come to show themselves.

Besides, I would like to see someone build a Mac out of spare parts.

Rhoq · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:43:35 AM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Yeah, you will be thrilled with your Mac, right up to the moment that you want to use it for something... I mean, browsing all the OSes features has to get boring sometime right? Sooner or later, I am sure that you will want to play a game or something... right then is where the faults come to show themselves.

Besides, I would like to see someone build a Mac out of spare parts.

I've never been into computer gaming (afterall, if I want to play games - I have my GameCube

)

My Mac does exactly what I need it to do - runs all of the software that I need to use.

I rarely ever "browse" though the OS features, and I am never bored

I use my Mac for music production and editing, something that Macs have always excelled in - which is the main reason why I got into Macs in the first place.

As far as building a Mac out of spare parts - why would I want to? Apple holds their machines to higher standards

Grey Ninja - it's all in good fun, bro.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:57:14 AM »

I am not much of a Mac person. I find their computers to be too user friendly to be useful, and their software to be over-rated.

I mean, in this day and age, saying that Macs handle video and audio editing better is sort of a myth. On a PC, there's all kinds of software to do whatever you want. Photoshop runs about as fast, if not faster than a Macintosh, and just about every type of software that you could want on Macintosh is available for PC in some way.

PCs just make it a lot easier to upgrade your hardware.

ThePerm · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:16:37 AM »

Macs are really cool for doing editing...they are a bit better at it...its not a myth they have enormous bus speeds and there are really no bottlenecks. That being said i do all my editing on games i get. level editing..character modeling...texture editing, music making, but since macs lack the games i have a pc. Also right clicking is a must lol. I like both(well i like pcs....not windows)

everyone talks about how linux is so hard to use...and how the user interface isnt that great...soon im sure they'll prolly come out with a version everyone can use.

Rhoq · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:30:17 AM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
I am not much of a Mac person. I find their computers to be too user friendly to be useful, and their software to be over-rated.

I mean, in this day and age, saying that Macs handle video and audio editing better is sort of a myth. On a PC, there's all kinds of software to do whatever you want. Photoshop runs about as fast, if not faster than a Macintosh, and just about every type of software that you could want on Macintosh is available for PC in some way.

PCs just make it a lot easier to upgrade your hardware.

I respect that. In the past Macs were the only option for audio & video, and PCs have begun to catch-up, but honestly, Macs still do it better. (I'm not PC bashing)

What it really comes down to is personal preference.

Upgrading - Apple's towers are just about as easy to upgrade as a PC. The all-in-one systems such as the iMac and eMac are where you run into trouble. Those machines are not meant to be user upgradable, which does suck. Still, I managed to upgrade my iMac (G3/350) without any problems.

Rhoq · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:36:05 AM »

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
Macs are really cool for doing editing...they are a bit better at it...its not a myth they have enormous bus speeds and there are really no bottlenecks. That being said i do all my editing on games i get. level editing..character modeling...texture editing, music making, but since macs lack the games i have a pc. Also right clicking is a must lol. I like both(well i like pcs....not windows)

With the new G5 processor (IBM's PPC 970), a lot of people in Mac community feel that developers will begin to bring more and more games over to the Mac. My iMac G3/350 MHz which is 3 years old runs just as well as my PC at work (Pentium 4, 2GHz). MacOS-X supports right-clicking (but Apple still only ships the one button mouse) - so you can plug in any 2 button USB mouse and right click without any problems.

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