Author Topic: New nintendo periferal idea: 3d glasses? (Read 8219 times)

greenwisher · « **on:** July 08, 2003, 07:06:50 PM »

Greetings all:

I've had this idea floating around in my head for a little while. I've had the chance to use a pair of 3d glasses on my pc that works with my nvidia card. I've found it to be a very cool experience. It really surprised me. For single player games the glasses really make the image "pop" off the screen. I see that now some of these glasses are avaliable for around 30-40$. Then I started thinking... hey why doesn't nintendo make this a perifial for thier new hardware?
It seems like ati would be able to deliver the same experience on the new cube...just plug it into a controller port or use the same wireless tech as the wavebird?
I think this is a "do-able" idea, and very unique for consoles. However, I'm unsure about a couple of things:
1. would the same effect work on a tv?
2. cost of development to high?
3. how hard would it be for nintendo entice a 3rd party to mofify thier hardware for the cube?

If nintendo made this I think it would sell like crazy. Just imagine...playing animal crossing in 3d...no just kidding but zelda would be cool.
Let me know what you would all-ya-all think.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2003, 07:37:48 PM »

idea is pointless and all it really does is make it flashy and i think it would have not many supporters.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2003, 07:37:51 PM »

I would think Nintendo would prefer to stay the hell away from 3D glasses after their horrible Virtual Boy ^_^

I don't think it'd be expensive to set up, Sega made 3D glasses avaliable with its Master System Powerbase. Only certain games made use of it, like OutRun 3D and Space Harrier 3D, but it was nifty to witness.

Mario · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2003, 07:38:41 PM »

*remembers the virtual boy*

I dont think this is a good idea

It "could" turn out alright, but has a huge chance of failure.

ThePerm · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2003, 08:00:56 PM »

stupid ideas like that make me sick. Makes me think of Virtual Boy and Gompei Yokie. Such a sad story.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2003, 08:42:40 PM »

Obviously, console gaming will eventually enter the realm of virtual reality and baby-steps like introducing such a periphrial would be appropriate. Just as long as it's very, VERY optional. A way to slowly introduce consumers to something that will almost certainly be a standard in console gaming at some point.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2003, 10:25:14 PM »

I remember the first game that used 3D glasses.

That would be none other than Rad Racer on the NES. The game was insanely fun, but I found it disorienting to play the game with the glasses on. Mind you, technology is a LOT better these days, but I still think that it's more gimmick than something that's actually useful. Someday VR gaming might be a possibility, but right now, it's simply a wish and not a practicality.

Uglydot · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2003, 02:37:00 AM »

When "VR" gaming comes about, we will finally feel the jump like we did from SNES to n64. I think that is a jump that people can handle, as long as their banks can. We don't need these baby-steps.

AdvancedGamer · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2003, 03:47:27 AM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
I remember the first game that used 3D glasses. That would be none other than Rad Racer on the NES. The game was insanely fun, but I found it disorienting to play the game with the glasses on. Mind you, technology is a LOT better these days, but I still think that it's more gimmick than something that's actually useful. Someday VR gaming might be a possibility, but right now, it's simply a wish and not a practicality.

Rad Racer used 3-D glasses?

?? I have that game and it never came with 3-D glasses! Maybe that's cuz I got it used at Funcoland. hmmm. I wonder where I can get some glasses.

HolyPaladin · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2003, 04:42:42 AM »

Even if it would work pretty cool, I doubt it would gain much acceptance with third parties. The games are already three-dimensional, so adding even more 3D-ness is kind of pointless. Yeah, it might make the image look like it pops out of the screen, but what value is there in that? Again, I could see it being cool if done right, but peripherals don't tend to do well, with the only real exception being the Rumble Pack, which started the trend that saw force feedback becoming standard, even though Sony and Sega made fun of it when Nintendo first introduced it. If they could pull it off the way they did the Rumble Pack to the point where other developers would feel that they absolutely must join in, it could even manage to become as standard as force feedback, but that would indeed be hard to pull off. Would people want to pay $30 more for such a feature? Probably not.

ThePerm: Gompei Yokie! That's the name I was trying to remember the other day. A friend of mine was playing Metroid Prime and he thought Miyamoto created the Metroid series, so I proceeded to explain otherwise, but I couldn't for the life of me recall Gompei Yokie's name! I then relayed the story of his sad demise, which was trully terrible and the industry just isn't the same without him. It is a shame to have lost the mind that created the Game Boy and Metroid, and to think that it might have been different had the Virtual Boy been better received. Perhaps he would not have been travelling where and when he was when the accident happened.

EDIT: That spelling doesn't look right to me (Gompei Yokie). Isn't it "Gompei Yokoi" or something like that with the second "O" in his last name?

Strell · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2003, 05:59:43 AM »

Rad Racer was 3D? Are you sure about that? I guess I'd better go watch "The Wizard" again and see if that one powerglove kid played it with 3D glasses or not...

The Sega Master System had 3D glasses, but it was pretty pointless. So the graphics extended all of two inches beyond the tv screen. Hooray. And if they broke (which they DID), then you were stuck with a blurry game. Double hooray.

Analysis? Not worth it.

greenwisher · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2003, 06:30:14 AM »

ok, everyone. I'm feel'in the groove... the glasses idea might bomb. Maybe the console world just isn't ready for this type of experience. The more I think about it, I am convinced it would be a hard sale for console owners until they experienced them. the first time i tried them was with unreal tournament and neverwinter nights. they make the whole experience very surreal.
Just to clarify, these glasses are nothing like virtua boy, and the software does not need to be designed specifically for the glasses. It's really hard to discribe the effect of the glasses, essentially they give any image onscreen more depth, a lot more. the company I purcased the glasses for has a list of games it's compatable with. Here's a link to the website: http://www.edimensional.com/index.html They also have a number of reviews by credible sources (ie. pc mag). All I have to say is try them.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:03:25 AM »

Uglydot, the transition from SNES to 64 was not that huge. Games like Mario RPG for the SNES were already giving the illusion of 3-D. As for 3-D to virtual reality, I could care less, but I imagine the process will be somewhat gradual.

egman · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2003, 08:09:00 AM »

While I personally think the idea is cool, no doubt that in the current state of the things a piece of hardware like this would bomb badly. Greenwisher posts brings up something that has seriously been lacking this gen--non-standard peripherals.

Light gun games are non-existant, while at the same time we don't see the kind of goofy stuff like the power glove that was sold in generations before. Some may say good riddance, but I think it's a sad comment on the way video games are headed when you look at how quickly graphics has evolved while the ways we interact with games has regress. GBA connectivity is quite exciting for me because when done right it does offer something more than what our standard dual analog controllers can give us. FF:CC will be great experince because of it, but the whining that have seen about requiring GBAs for multiplayer suggests that the game will be little more than a novelty in most people's eye. And really, that's probably reason no one works on these kinds of things--they are percieved as novelties.

DRJ · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2003, 08:21:54 AM »

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And really, that's probably reason no one works on these kinds of things--they are percieved as novelties.

Exactly. If you make a periferal let say a 3d goggles and there is only one game for it, the game costs $50 and the periferal costs $50-$100. Should I spend all this money on a periferal that has only one game? Now if the made the 3d goggles, and had a few games (2-4) for it, these games could be played with or without the periferal, then it might do good. Mandatory periferals are going to drive people away.

A light gun would be cool, but how well do those games sell when compared to a regular first or third person shooter?

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2003, 09:25:29 AM »

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Originally posted by: DRJ
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And really, that's probably reason no one works on these kinds of things--they are percieved as novelties.

Exactly. If you make a periferal let say a 3d goggles and there is only one game for it, the game costs $50 and the periferal costs $50-$100. Should I spend all this money on a periferal that has only one game? Now if the made the 3d goggles, and had a few games (2-4) for it, these games could be played with or without the periferal, then it might do good. Mandatory periferals are going to drive people away.

A light gun would be cool, but how well do those games sell when compared to a regular first or third person shooter?

I thought they meant like the cardboard glasses where one eye is red and the other is blue.

DRJ · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2003, 09:46:15 AM »

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I thought they meant like the cardboard glasses where one eye is red and the other is blue.

They could at least get a little fancy and make some plastic ones like Imax.

I would rather have a visor that instead of 3d had a little screen for one eye that would display some more info. So you could focus on the screen to play or focus on the mini screen to get some additional information.

I wouldnt mind seeing some more periferals from Nintendo (Xbox has a gun, a skateboard etc), but there have to be plenty of games that use them to make the purchase worth while.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2003, 11:22:38 AM »

I recently started working at Universal Studios, and during my free time I went on that New "ride" Shrek 4D. I have never been on that terminator 3D thing befor ether. I could really see that 3D jibberish working in a game like Resident Evil where crap would be popping up all over the place. Fire Balls and spiders were poping out all over the place getting so close to my face and some of it really surprised me. If I were controlling it and playing some horror game im sure I would have been really spooked by that. They just opened up a Universal Studios in Japan, and maybe Miyamoto will go and see what I saw and get ideas.

ThePerm · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2003, 11:41:56 AM »

vr could work in an arcade, or a theater...but for it to work at home it have to be quite far away from gimmicky....and wireless too. I have this vr helemet works with snes, genesis, n64...wait gamecube!!!!! omg...ima try that! metroid prime with my vr helmet! hahahaha

ThePerm · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2003, 11:55:29 AM »

ok i tired my vr helmet and it rewally sucked...like the screen was way off..it was designed soly for snes and genisis i guess...way to dark to see anything in metroid. Ill try it again someday when im bored.

HereticPB · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2003, 12:21:06 PM »

Rad Racer was in 3d and I had the glasses. If you have the game or have played it if you press select it changes to the 3d effect mode. Wish I knew what glasses made it 3d I would like to play it again like that!

HtPB

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2003, 05:36:59 PM »

Heretic, it's HELL to find 3D glasses in this day and age, but they are still around. I managed to find a pair in a package of gum.

They also come with some comic books. I would check out a comic shop or something around you. They are simple cardboard dealies with one eye red, and the other eye blue. I haven't played Rad Racer in ages, but I really wanted to see milkdrop in 3D, and I had to hunt for 3D glasses for like a month.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2003, 05:45:01 PM »

Since we're sort of on the topic of VR now, anybody remember those old VR arcade games that launched back in like 1993? There was a Dinosaur one and all sorts of stuff. You put the helmet on, and you moved your head the direction you wanted to walk, and moved your arm where you wanted to shoot.

They were awesome. Used to be like $15 AUD for one go, but it was worth it

Greedy8899 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 09, 2003, 06:20:42 PM »

Bring back R.O.B!!!! Its just a suggestion.......

Greedy8899

Sir Kero · « **Reply #24 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:24:16 PM »

Gunpei Yokoi! Get it right!

umm... anyway, I've been thinking about 3d add-ons to home consoles, probably since I saw N64 games running on my brothers PC with shutter lenses (It's legal if you own the game... don't look at me like that!). The problem is that for the GC to produce the same kind of graphics quality twice, it would need to have twice as much (graphical) processing power. In other words, a 3D add-on would need to have a secondary GPU at least as powerful as the Gekko, twice as fast if you want it to output to two lenses and a TV seperately (just a note, normal TVs aren't compatible with the shutter-lense systems that are used with PCs, so any 3D lenses for GC would have to be independant displays). I don't know if the Hi Speed Port is high enough speed for that, or if the GameCube's infrastructure would allow that kind of expandability, but the GBPlayer is taking up that space now anyway. phooie.

Sure it would just be a gimmick, but it would be so coool.
I say die_seis is just a spoil sport.

One more thing.. Rad Racer (and 3D World Runner) use Red/Blue 3D glasses, but they're reversed if I remember correctly.. and R.O.B. is in F-Zero GX in case you missed that.

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Author Topic: New nintendo periferal idea: 3d glasses? (Read 8219 times)