Author Topic: nes 2? (Read 7112 times)

steve · « **on:** July 08, 2003, 05:56:15 PM »

The other day i was thinking about nintendos next console. So I thought that because of all the new mobil technologies out there that it might be possible to make a next-gen console and a next-gen gameboy all in one package. they could probably design it so that it could take mini-disks almost like the psp and use sd cards for the memory cards, and wireless controlers would obviouslly be a must. i could be shaped like the gameboy sp except it could have two extra face buttons and two extra shoulder buttons that can swing out from the bottum to save space. That way when you want to play at hom you just have the a/v cables hook up to the t.v. and then when you want to take it on the road you can just unplug the cables and play it portable with the same stunning graphics. Then they can have two tiers of pricing for the games; 2d games: 30$ (that way we can get the new 2d mario that we've all been waiting for, and still get all the great 2d link games) and the full 3d games:50-60$. Although i do like the name nexus, I think a retro name like nes 2 might draw in some of the older crowd that went to the dark side(playstation). It would also help to throw in a cool feature such as mp3 capabilities. This with some good marketing and games could put nintendo back to the top.

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HolyPaladin · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2003, 07:08:21 PM »

If they made such a thing, it wouldn't be the next console because of the fact that it wouldn't be a console. It would be a portable/handheld, so it would simply be the next Game Boy. You can't have the next console and handheld be one unit, because being a console would mean that it isn't a hendheld or being a handheld would mean that it isn't a console. That is like trying to be fat and thin at the same time.

steve · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2003, 02:37:14 PM »

you missed my point. My point was when you plug the unit into the t.v. it would be considered a console. But when you unplug it you can take it on the road as a handheld.You would get 2 things in one package which a lot of people would for. Nintendo has already stated that they tried to make the gamecube to be as portable as possible , it even has a carrying handle. the technology is already there but nintendo would probably have to make the cost 300$ which wouldn't be all that bad. you're triing to make it out to be a portable handheld and a sstaionary console at the same time but thats not what it is, it's a portable console. if there are any other conflicting comments that you would like to state please do so because if you see what i see than you would think it's a good idea too.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2003, 02:45:47 PM »

So you mean like the GBP and the GBA formed into one, sort of? Or a Gamecube that can be used portably? I still halves their profits, especially if they charge that much more.

steve · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2003, 03:43:43 PM »

the point is still being missed. The fact that it is a tw in one it will bring in a bigger userbase, so if it becomes as populare as the ps2 is now than they can only make more money. besides they will still have the same amount of games to profit on, the consoles don't bring in any mony anyway. Hasn't everyone wished they could take they're gamecube to the park or something and pull it out of their pocket and start playing zelda.

rodtod · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2003, 07:37:38 PM »

I agree with Steve, in that I too think future Nintendo systems should be able to hook up to a home entertainment system, as well as be completely portable. Nintendo would be able to combine their portable and home userbases. And we all know that Nintendo's Gameboy line is extremely popular. By making the next Gameboy also the next Nintendo console, huge sales for both home and portable software would be guaranteed. And the software is where the bulk of the profits come in. What's to lose?

oohhboy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2003, 07:08:22 AM »

Destorying thier own market?
You want nintendo to undiversitfy the market?
Economis 101. You must give people a choice, even if it doesn't exist. Your asking the comsumer to double or nothing with them knowing it.

The Real Mario · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:36:35 AM »

And then there's the fact that the system's graphics would be a major step backwards for Nintendo. No one's going to want to port games to this proposed system, because the current generation games would have to be stripped to run on it. Nintendo's controller evolution would also revert because to make this system portable, you're going to have to take off the joystick, and the triggers just for starters. It just has too many downsides to warrent such a gamble.

HereticPB · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2003, 08:50:33 PM »

Not to mention drive the price up like the PSP to 350 to 500 dollars!!!

No Spank you!

HtPB

steve · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2003, 04:35:26 AM »

mobile technowlegy is far enough where nintendo wont have to strip back thier graphics, they can have the same graphics as the ps3 or the xbox 2 and not suffer any graphical loss, Nintendo seems to be the only company constantly trying to make their system as portable as possible, so they could pull this off at a reasonable price that is around the price of the other two consoles. The controllers will be fine becuase when it is hooked up to the t.v. you can use wireless controllers, and when you have it on the road the two extra shoulder buttons could swing out from underneath the console, and im sure nintendoi could design a joystick that telescopes out and locks into place.

oohhboy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2003, 04:46:40 AM »

I am not sure which paralle universe you come from, but if that was true, no one would own desktops. I would be typing this on a laptop pluged to the mains.

It is not tehnically possible for a handheld to match next-gen graphics when comes the time or current gen for that matter.

It is not even possible for current laptops to match current gen graphics.

steve · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2003, 05:34:51 AM »

you dont know what you're talking about. The reason why people own desktops is because it is easier to upgrade everything, when it comes to labtops everything is soddered together and it makes it a lot harder to upgrade anything, you can also have a lot more drives with a desktop. When it comes to a console you dont need to upgrade anything and you only need one drive, so stop talking about things you dont understand.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2003, 05:55:38 AM »

Yo, hold it steve, you can't tell other people they don't know what they're talking about, especially when you show no proof that you know what you're talking about. If there could be a cost-efficient handheld (and i mean put in the pocket handheld, not like GameGear) that could have matched the current generation graphics at release, GBA would have much better graphical capabilties. What you're sayings is that Nintendo will have a Gameboy at the release of the PS3 or Xbox2 that is the same as or better than it's competition, that won't cost than than its competition. Maybe by the end of the GC2's lifespan they will have somehting like that, but by then what would be the point?

I may not know what I'm talking about, and I admit that, but neither do you. And I know for a fact that oohhboy does know what he/she's talking about, not only from posts on other threads, but just by the posts on this thread. Think about what you're saying, steve, it doesn't make very much sense.

steve · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2003, 07:27:34 AM »

Think of it this way, pda's today can have 128 meg's of ram and over a processor that is over 400 mhz and it easily fits into you're pocket for $500, the only reason the price is so high is because the companies need to make a profit on it and nintendo doesn't want to make any profit on their hardware so they can sell it for a lot less. The only thing that keeps pda's from having really good graphics is the lack of a graphics card and the fact that it has to run more than one application which eats up on the system resources, In the case of nintendos next console, only one application is running at one time which is the game so it doesn't need that much ram and ati is developing the graphics card for the next nintendo system. Ati has the most powerfull and smallest graphics card on the maket right now. Not only that but mobil technowlegy will be a lot better by 2005 considering the significant advancements they have made already in this field. If nintendo want to become #1 with this next generation of consoles, they're gonna have to do something drastic that will make everyones mouth drop, It;s the only way to go.

rodtod · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:14:03 AM »

Perhaps an alternative is in order. Rather than make the console itself portable, make the controllers. The next generation of Gameboys could be designed to hook up with the next Nintendo as controllers.

steve · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:40:47 AM »

but thats what nintendo pretty much did this time around, I think they should go a step beyaond that.

Nintendo Gamecube · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:53:28 AM »

The price alone would be $500+ ... I would never buy that. Secondly, I would not like lugging a console around just to play it portably (that's where you get the Gameboy SP). Thirdly, if you would like to compact the next console to make it easier to be portable you'd have to take away from its features because you can't possible fit all goodies in a compact case. Did you ever wonder why X-Box's system is soo friggin huge? That's because they have a sh!t load of goodies in it.

Lastly, I hope Nintendo never thinks about doing this because I'll definitely jump the wagon to another console.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2003, 11:18:24 AM »

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you dont know what you're talking about. The reason why people own desktops is because it is easier to upgrade everything, when it comes to labtops everything is soddered together and it makes it a lot harder to upgrade anything, you can also have a lot more drives with a desktop. When it comes to a console you dont need to upgrade anything and you only need one drive, so stop talking about things you dont understand.

I think you might want to take your own advice, buddy. You obviously have little to no knowledge about that which you speak of. Tell you what... You go and put together a machine the the size of the GBA-SP, that does half what you claim is possible, and I'll take you off my list of bone-heads.

Oh yeah, I'd also like to see your degrees in Electrical/Electronic Engineering, and Computer Science.

steve · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2003, 01:19:21 PM »

this isn't all me. i had the idea and then i talked to my brother about it who studied computer enginering and majored in computer science at the University of Illinois and he said that it could be done. The x-box was so big because it had a huge hard drive which would have taken up a lot of space and it will also be 4 or 5 years old technolegy by the time the next batch of systems launch, Besides nintendo has already said that they want their machines to be for gamming purposes only and that they don't want all of those goodies. And why would any one not like a console that could be taken on the road. Nintendo has the capabilities to make this and it wont cost over $500 dollars.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2003, 03:00:42 PM »

I do agree with steve to an extent: it probably could be done. Probably not as good as the next console's graphics, but it is possible.

However, it would probably be bulky, would definitely be expensive, they'd halve their market, and it'd suck up tons of battery power. It's more trouble than it's worth.

And even if it did work, people would complain about stupid stuff like the screen not being well lit enough, or not being able to use headphones, and people would assume that it was crap, even if it wasn't, and sales would drop. Gads, I hate whiners.

oohhboy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2003, 05:01:17 PM »

The Xboxes sizes was due to heat and use of standard parts.

The next batch of systems come round in 2006. Three years, not 5, or 4 years.

Mobil processors of anykind are always under some kind of handicap allowing them to be portable. Laptops un at lower clock rates and missing high energy features. Why do you think Chip makers like Intel, AMD and IBM make mobile versions of thier CPUs? Why do ATI and NVIDA do the same? It is to keep the temperature and power comsuption down. Power is traded to do so. Extra design work has to be done to ensure that the thing doesn't catch on fire, let alone give your lap a sun burn or worse. Why do you think Laptops and PDAs are so expensive for what you get?

There is the GP32, but that makes up for the lack of on-board graphics power by having raw power. You can't have it both ways.

steve · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2003, 07:01:05 PM »

this is going to be my last reply because i'm getting tired of repeating things that i have already said because people only read half of what i write. I didn't say that the next console will be launched in 4 to 5 years, I said that when they are launched, the technowlegy will be 4 to 5 years old. And also pentium is pushing mobile technolegy without having any drawbacks with their pentium 4m. Read all of what i wrote closely and mabey you will understand my point of view. . I am sorry for making it seem like you never know what you're talking about, I was just talking about that particular reply that you made. Just remmember just because it seems improbable doesn't mean that it is impossible, all you need is an open mind.

BigJim · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:55:07 PM »

The Xbox's size has more to do with MS's desire to make it component sized than its actual contents. Have ya seen the inside? It's not THAT cramped. There is/was supposedly a new version in the making that was smaller than the original.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2003, 01:06:28 AM »

Do you have any idea what amounts of heat PCs (desktop and laptop) produce? Athlons run at around 70°C and there have been cases of people suffering severe burns from their laptops. The GBA runs at around 16MHz (granted, RISC). Do you know when that was considered modern? And do you know what power consumption laptops have? It may be possible to cram all that stuff into a small device, but you sure as hell wouldn't enjoy using it. Active cooling is no option on a handheld.

See your Gamecube? See those openings on the sides? Block 'em with your hands while the device is running to get a feeling for what that'd be like. (I hope you have read the BOfH and know how to handle this advice)

rodtod · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2003, 08:03:31 PM »

You're all doing a tremendous job pointing out the flaws in steve's design, but why not go a bit farther and make some suggestions as to how this idea could better be realized? Rather than risk halving the market or sucking up too much juice, there could be ways to market to both portable and console fans so that they'd buy the system regardless of the fusion, and as for battery life, that's always been a big thing for Nintendo. I'm sure they could pull it off.

Just my $0.02.

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