Topic: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE - 2016 Wii U GOTY by default

[Soren]

He doesn't know games and his first real experience with the industry was during a major mainstream boom.

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that Reggie first entered the company in 2003 when the Gamecube was still a thing that existed.

[Ian Sane]

He doesn't know games and his first real experience with the industry was during a major mainstream boom.

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that Reggie first entered the company in 2003 when the Gamecube was still a thing that existed.

...and the Wii and DS would have been in the planning stages along with the marketing strategies so "aim for the mainstream" is probably the first strategy he ever encountered.  Plus he didn't become President until 2006.  And who is cutting this content?  NOA.  He's the "boss" of NOA and has been in that position during the same time period that NOA became the embarrassing Nintendo relative that gets drunk at family events.  He deserves blame.

[Evan_B]

If it's literally just swimsuits and talking, I guess I could watch a vid of it online and lose nothing. So yeah, no problem there. If it were a boss fight or dungeon though, then I might be a bit miffed.

I honestly am so over this aspect of the game I almost didn't want to comment on it. I have just watched brief snippets and heard impressions, and what does remain still interests me- it looks gorgeous, has lots of style, and the battle system is crazy.

[Enner]

a niche audience who can just get their fill in the superior Persona 5 later this year on other consoles.

Hey, lets not a put a jinx on anything :p

Also I echo the notion that, this version being a localization effort for NA, EU, and AU/OC at once, other regions' content regulations may be in play.

Final echo: maybe Donald's supposition that the hot springs DLC is just in the base game for the international version will prove true.

[Phil]

Not bothered by any censorship or whatever. The game is coming, and back in the SNES era, stuff like this would have never come over. It's quite refreshing, as someone who grew up with the NES and moreover the SNES, to see a lot more games being localized that wouldn't have come over back in the day. So I can handle localization changes if that means the games come over. There's nothing egregious to me anyway, I don't think.

[Evan_B]

A game like this would have never come out back then because the SNES actually had a game library.

[ejamer]

... So I can handle localization changes if that means the games come over.  ...

This seems like a terrible justification for supporting poor localization decisions. "Well, we could just not get the game at all so whatever they decide to offer we should accept gladly."  No!  When companies make choices that consumers disagree with, those decisions should be questioned with reasonable and appropriate feedback given if possible.

Times change as do available technologies and targeted demographics. It's perfectly valid for consumer expectations to change also. We don't live in the NES/SNES era any longer so shouldn't be satisfied with the same situation.

[Phil]

I didn't say that exactly, so your putting words in my mouth to argue some point I didn't make is unappreciated. Thanks, though.

[Evan_B]

You just said you don't care, which is perfectly understandable. I'm not getting too worked up about it myself, but in terms of faithfulness to original game, it is a bit disappointing.

[ejamer]

I didn't say that exactly, so your putting words in my mouth to argue some point I didn't make is unappreciated. Thanks, though.

Yes, you did say that exactly. You said more, but that was clearly part of it.


You had basically two points: (1) you don't care about what's cut, so it's not big deal, and (2) hey, at least we're getting the games that we wouldn't have back in the old days. 


The first point is your personal view so I didn't feel it worth discussing. Some people won't care about the changes, others will see them as censorship, and a middle-ground (where I sit) simplly find them an annoying waste of resources that do nothing to improve the game or make it more appealing to the target audience.

[Evan_B]

Let's not get all worked up, people.

[ejamer]

But... we're on the internet.  Isn't that the whole point?

[Enner]

But... we're on the internet.  Isn't that the whole point?

Changing the point starts with you! Or else we'll sink all the way down in to vanishing pelvis lines.

[Phil]

I didn't say that exactly, so your putting words in my mouth to argue some point I didn't make is unappreciated. Thanks, though.

Yes, you did say that exactly. You said more, but that was clearly part of it.


You had basically two points: (1) you don't care about what's cut, so it's not big deal, and (2) hey, at least we're getting the games that we wouldn't have back in the old days. 


The first point is your personal view so I didn't feel it worth discussing. Some people won't care about the changes, others will see them as censorship, and a middle-ground (where I sit) simplly find them an annoying waste of resources that do nothing to improve the game or make it more appealing to the target audience.

Then something was lost in my post, and that's my fault. I didn't mean to say that everyone should be happy if a game is localized but big changes they don't like are made. It just doesn't ruin my experience with said game is all. Sorry for the confusion.

[Order.RSS]

Reading y'all's thoughts on this is pretty interesting. Personally I prefer my games with as little over-the-top cleavage/bikini anime fanservice in it as possible, but hey if it's a download I can skip, that's a-okay with me.

Personally I'm interested because I like turn-based Final Fantasy combat, which is hard to find on Wii U, and this game looks gorgeous. But man do some of the outfits look dumb haha! Oh well, not trying to hate on anyone here so I hope whether you get the version with swimsuits or without them, it'll be a cool game for everyone.

[Mop it up]

So does this mainstream bland product loving person still exist or was it just something you were because it was too difficult to be anything else?

Considering the continual extreme popularity of CocaCola, McDonald's, Call of Duty, etc., then yes, I would say that the bland mainstream people still far, far outnumber everyone else.

[Evan_B]

Personally I'm interested because I like turn-based Final Fantasy combat, which is hard to find on Wii U, and this game looks gorgeous. But man do some of the outfits look dumb haha! Oh well, not trying to hate on anyone here so I hope whether you get the version with swimsuits or without them, it'll be a cool game for everyone.

Mmm. Well, it seems like you're not really the target audience for this sort of thing. This game has FF-like turn-based combat if you like the first three entries, but it's vastly different from that franchise IV and onwards. If you like Sin Megami Tensei, this is more up your alley.

I'd say most JRPGs in general have skimpy and "dumb" outfits, though that's in the eye of the beholder. I personally think the outfits are quite nice. However, as I've stated before, it's not that I'll miss the swimsuits in particular, its that it's a pretty standard for the genre, publisher, and culture. They're kind of missing the mark with an unnecessary localization choice that isn't too far off- I mean, we do have swimsuits in the west, too.

[Order.RSS]

Mmm. Well, it seems like you're not really the target audience for this sort of thing. This game has FF-like turn-based combat if you like the first three entries, but it's vastly different from that franchise IV and onwards. If you like Sin Megami Tensei, this is more up your alley.

Never played any Persona or SMT, or any Atlus games for that matter haha. It's been a while since I gamed at all, but did play some Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem and a few of the GameCube RPGs. We'll see I guess, it'll probably be fine. Can definitely learn to overlook designs I don't care much for, especially since the rest of Tokyo Mirage looks really stylish. Knowing absolutely nothing about the whole J-pop stuff probably means it'll be extra bizarre to me, but frankly I'm excited for something kinda 'out-there'.

[Evan_B]

Mmm. Well, it seems like you're not really the target audience for this sort of thing. This game has FF-like turn-based combat if you like the first three entries, but it's vastly different from that franchise IV and onwards. If you like Sin Megami Tensei, this is more up your alley.

Well, how about Dragon Quest? It's more similar to that, in some ways, than Final Fantasy. As long as you're excited about something totally strange (and craving Wii U RPGs, I know, I'm in the same boat), then I look forward to seeing what you think!


Never played any Persona or SMT, or any Atlus games for that matter haha. It's been a while since I gamed at all, but did play some Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem and a few of the GameCube RPGs. We'll see I guess, it'll probably be fine. Can definitely learn to overlook designs I don't care much for, especially since the rest of Tokyo Mirage looks really stylish. Knowing absolutely nothing about the whole J-pop stuff probably means it'll be extra bizarre to me, but frankly I'm excited for something kinda 'out-there'.

The ****? I thought I wrote out a whole response to this...


Have you ever played Dragon Quest? I think those games remind me of the "pacing" of SMT-style game most closely, in contrast to Final Fantasy. Whatever RPGs you have played, I'm very interested to hear what you think of this game when it finally comes out! Like you, I'm eagerly looking forward to it because of the art direction, and also my console RPG lust (especially on Wii U). As a fan of Japanese culture (though not necessarily the J-Pop facet), and having lived and visited Japan in the past, that's a big reason for my personal appeal, but I hope to hear what aspects you end up enjoying, as well!

[pokepal148]

All games should be played exactly as the developer intended. If the game was originally made in Japanese then you uncultured SJW-loving Heathens should play it in Japanese in order to respect the artist's original vision. The real reason Nintendo continues to put region locking on their consoles is to separate the true hardcore gamers from filthy casuals.

If you consider yourself a serious gamer, buy a Japanese Wii U/3DS and Japanese versions of every game you own and throw their western counterparts into a fire. It's as simple as that.

[Order.RSS]

The ****? I thought I wrote out a whole response to this...


Have you ever played Dragon Quest? I think those games remind me of the "pacing" of SMT-style game most closely, in contrast to Final Fantasy. Whatever RPGs you have played, I'm very interested to hear what you think of this game when it finally comes out! Like you, I'm eagerly looking forward to it because of the art direction, and also my console RPG lust (especially on Wii U). As a fan of Japanese culture (though not necessarily the J-Pop facet), and having lived and visited Japan in the past, that's a big reason for my personal appeal, but I hope to hear what aspects you end up enjoying, as well!

Oh yeah weird your reply is half there in the quote though, odd. But nope, never played any Dragon Quest either. Like, it's literally Final Fantasy 8-9, Pokémon, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, and I never got very far in Baten Kaitos and Skies of Arcadia. Did recently buy Xenoblade X though, that really sold me on the Wii U to get back into gaming.


So far that's mostly been overwhelmingly complex, but luckily the Summer of No-tendo means plenty of time to sink in both meaty RPGs. Plus stylistically they're miles apart which is always a plus.

[trevasweet22]

Still pretty salty about what happened to the Fire Emblem Fates localization...hope they don't butcher much content away from the final product 


Watched a bit of the game's Japanese gameplay videos on Youtube and I found it a bit confusing/weird.  Been playing some Persona/SMT games so it's okay for me however I don't find it meshing quite nicely with Fire Emblem or it's probably just me...

[TOPHATANT123]

Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE - Hyped for combat

DJ MasterSeal is a bit grating but this is actually a pretty good video for explaining the game and how exactly it works. Somewhat similar to the Xenoblade Chronicles X survival guides.

[pokepal148]

I'm fine with having them cut the Hot Springs DLC. DLC is nothing mare then another way to alter and distort the original piece of work. If Hot Springs were meant to be a part of the game's artistic vision then they should have been included in the game itself. You can't draw a mustache on the Mona Lisa and call it art you uncultured savages.

[Evan_B]

The post above accurately displays what I love about Pokepal148.