Author Topic: Micrsoft is now doomed (Read 18233 times)

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2003, 06:03:31 PM »

What exactly is your point? Obviously pirating exists, I'm not saying it doesn't, and obviously the bigger companies lose the most. All I'M saying is that pirating in general isn't bringing down the industry no matter what the industry would like you to believe. I'm not saying you SHOULD pirate, but those claiming Microsoft is doomed because someone figured out how to pirate XBox games are stupid. Really we should be on the same side here, Ymeegod.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2003, 07:59:16 PM »

Wow, he can't get enough of these forums.

Pirating is getting more and more popular, as more people spend more time on the computer, more (heh

). You may come back and say, that more protection will arise and slow pirating down. That may be true, but who ever devises a code.....there is always someone or thing that can crack it. So even though companies are losing barely any money according to you, in the near future pirating will be a big deal and will "bring down the industry".

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:38:10 PM »

Not so- you forgot many other factors that affect piracy's impact, namely the increase of sales and the general move towards disabling piracy. As software and hardware sales increase, pirating becomes less and less of a problem in it's current state since piracy takes away a smalelr and smaller percentage of games sales. On top of that companies are working AGAINST pirating- I believe it was only until recently that anyone was able to pirate Gamecube games and even then barely anybody does it. Nintendo will have released it's next console before it becomes easy to pirate Cube games. As more and more companies impliment procedures like these pirating will become harder and harder until only the geekiest of geeks actually pirate console games- it simply isn't worth the time or effort for the rest of us, who will continue buying games rather than copying them. Mark my word- pirating will NEVER bring down this industry.

DRJ · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2003, 09:11:54 PM »

Just recently people have been able to dump the data from a GCN game. So far there is no way to make a copy to run on a Gamecube. Unless you have a factory and can make actual copies of the game, which I am sure is happening somewhere. The days of just burning a dreamcast game with a cdr are over. You see how proactive Nintendo is in stopping piracy. M$ wasnt and now there are ways to play copies, or download them to the hard drive, but even then you have to be able to install a mod chip. Thats well beyond what the average gamer is able to do or willing to do.

There will always be some piracy, but it wont stop the gaming industry. Look at how much piracy goes on in the music industry and they are still making money.

Saying that piracy will end the gaming industry or put any one company out of business is like saying that a department store will go out of business because of shop lifting. Does it cut into profits, yes. But it is a very small amount.

And for those people that think M$ is doomed, look at how many pirated copies of Windows and MS Office are out there. Does this cost M$ money, yes. Do they still have 40 billion in the bank, yes. So I think it is safe to say that M$ will be here to stay for as long as they want.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #29 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:54:52 PM »

FYI: For every 1 sold copy of Starcraft, there were 10 pirated copies made.
Some hardcore CS players said my HL CD was the first (original HL CD) they've ever seen. They'd been playing for more than a year back then...

People call me weird for paying money for games instead of warezing 'em!

Ymeegod · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2003, 05:36:11 AM »

Privating is increasing while profits isn't. It's that simple. Sure the market is increasing but so isn't developement costs.

Want better games for the future, buy them now and support the developers/publishers. They have families too.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #31 on:** July 06, 2003, 08:47:49 PM »

Obviously the more popular a game is, it will sell better. Yes, that means there are more pirates for that game, but they are also selling more. And I dare to say most gamers don't pirate (including me, excluding NES/SNES emulators ; - ), so that leaves most gamers with two options- buy the game, or don't. With the former, it's the most popular choice, with the latter, they don't lose money anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Yes piracy is a problem. No Piracy isn't as big of a problem as the companies lead you to believe.

Epitaph · « **Reply #32 on:** July 06, 2003, 10:56:15 PM »

Mouse_clicker I assure you I have a girl friend and dreamcast is very easy to pirate but I don't pirate games. The exploit also alows the use of emulators, homebrew games and apps. Some of which are just as good as the ones you buy. Often I think about buying a xbox for this feature, although the fact of the matter microsoft would loose money on it. I remember hearing microsoft is willing to loose 4 billion before it dropped out of the market and since its depending on software sales the more people pirate the more money they loose and the closer they get to the investors dropping the consol. This also become more true with microsofts profits falling. Yes piracy is insignificant sort of but still cost billions in loss I believe. Also its no my knowlege that nintendo, sony and microsoft spend money on divisions dedicated to take down pirating. Add that cost with the cost of implementing pirating measures ex the highly frowned uppon windows xp hardware serial number. It adds up. You can't tell me it affects a company that makes 500 000 000$ a year i think it is that nintendo makes or is that per quarter year. Either way that they loose about 20 000 000$ about I would say to pirating. If it wasn't such a big issue the company's wouldn't of put so many preventative measures against it. Further more I know its not doomed I put that title to catch readers attention. If I put the topic microsoft system is hacked they will loose money who would of took part in this gathering of thoughts on the subject. Im just stating that this can't be good for microsoft since their loosing money on their consols and that from my experiance half the people I know with xbox's have mods and are pirating games and im sure if you no longer need a mod the other half will pirate games. Just like everyone I know with a dreamcast have more burnt games then bought and half the people with ps2 or psx have a modchip. Also im not a nerd and I know how to pirate games, I have won many awards for soccer and track, I have the highest mark in my wood working class and have had a g/f for almost a year now with about many that wanted me, no im not joking. Not all piraters are nerds, accept it. Company's are loosing money, a significant enough some accept that too. Il accept that microsoft isn't doomed, although I with they where damn buisness runs on loopholes in the legal system. but thats another topic i won't get into

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #33 on:** July 07, 2003, 08:50:18 AM »

As far as I'm concerned you're a geek for taking the time of day to defend yourself and prove you're not one. I never said that the Dreamcast wasn't easy to pirate for, just that nobody really cared enough except for a bunch of losers who think they're bad because they didn't pay the 15 bucks for the game. Most everyone else in the home console realm actually buy their games.

nonjagged · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2003, 09:48:10 AM »

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Originally posted by: Epitaph
Im not gonna link or tell you how its done but some fellows have found a exploit with games from xbox that allow hacking the consol without a modchip. This exploit was released after microsoft refused to comply to the people that found it and allow linux to run on xbox. Now it is on the same path as the dreamcast where no one will buy games and burn all of em. What do you think, does microsoft now have a chance, now that their consol is so easily pirated.

p.s. Plz moderator i think this is allowed because i didn't explain how its being pirated i just say it is without a mod and without a link if it is breaking the rules il remove or lock it thx. or you do it for me.

This news is old and it was M$ intention in the first place. In my opinion they need underground movement buying Xbox's, theyre not particularily fussed about Linux etc as they need all the sales they can which in turn creates a userbase which they then can target for next-gen Xbox's.
M$ has received numerous letters to co-operate with the hackers to allow development of an officially Licensed Linux O/S.

Currently you can play MAME on your Xbox and even Nintendo ROMs have been available for a while even since Dreamcast which M$ suspiciously developed the O/S for, (now you know why Nintendo has no respect for M$), what Ive been searching on the net the past 2 hours is for something simular to a VGA adapter for the Xbox but not for hooking up an Xbox to Computer Screen but to an Arcade Machine Monitor.

I havent had much success looking for an RGB adapter but I suppose theyre arent any developed yet.

Unless someone has any links?

PS even to this day Nintendo ROMs available on all 3 x M$ platforms (PC, DC, Xbox), have not killed Nintendo. Amazing.

Lecter · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2003, 11:59:30 AM »

Wow Mouse_Clicker just dissed that guy haha. Pirating is not bringing down any industries, not even the music industries. Who cares if a singer doesn't get their $1,000,000 because people burned some cds. I'm glad. People that sing a song get paid millions when there are real people doing real jobs like enforcing the law, or just trying to support your family. These people work 7-11 and dont get paid nearly as much. Anyway back to the topic at hand Xbox games have been getting burned since the beginning. My dad has a video game crazy friend who invited my family over to his house. He had atleast 10 burned games for his Xbox and encouraged me to get one, but I chose a GameCube over it. No matter what theres going to be people to push the limits. They are going to figure every single way to get things for free.

Epitaph · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:43:29 PM »

Oh haha mouse clicker makes me laugh I come here day after day to defend myself while look at his number of posts per day well either way he has his opinion on pirating I do it because im not gonna shell out money for subpar games and technically im not taking any money from the publishers/developers because I would of never bought the game this way I just play them. Anyway im out nothing interesting on the boards today.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #37 on:** July 07, 2003, 07:16:05 PM »

We can smell our own.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #38 on:** July 08, 2003, 02:08:40 AM »

I have been console gaming for 20 years now and have not seen one person who owns a pirated "console" game, not a single one on all three consoles.
Pirating may be easy to those who follow the scene, but the majority of people who play games dont have a clue about it, I would bet that most people dont even realize that console games can be pirated.

Even the pirating of music isnt as bad as the music industry would have us believe, hell I dont personally know 5 people in my age bracket who steal music. I honestly believe the numbers the media provides us with have been seriously doctored.

Mario · « **Reply #39 on:** July 08, 2003, 02:37:54 AM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
I have been console gaming for 20 years now and have not seen one person who owns a pirated "console" game, not a single one on all three consoles.
Pirating may be easy to those who follow the scene, but the majority of people who play games dont have a clue about it, I would bet that most people dont even realize that console games can be pirated.

Even the pirating of music isnt as bad as the music industry would have us believe, hell I dont personally know 5 people in my age bracket who steal music. I honestly believe the numbers the media provides us with have been seriously doctored.

Good for you. I actually only know a few people who actually buy music, and a CRAP LOAD of people who download it. And also, EVERYONE i know with a PSX (including myself

) has pirated software on it, and has a "chip" in it. You're kidding yourself if you think piracy isnt a big deal, ffs.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #40 on:** July 08, 2003, 04:47:04 AM »

"Pirating may be easy to those who follow the scene, but the majority of people who play games dont have a clue about it, I would bet that most people dont even realize that console games can be pirated."

EXACTLY- that's what I've been trying to say all this time, much to no avail. Thanks for putting it in simpler words.

nonjagged · « **Reply #41 on:** July 08, 2003, 07:35:07 AM »

Thats extremely puzzling.
I have yet to meet a gamer who hasnt modded their PSX.

Also the majority of people who play games and dont have a clue about pirating dont exist in reality?

As far as Im aware just about every gamer in school knows how to get pirate games from within schools (racket) and just about every teen gamer knows they can just look in the right places to buy ALREADY copied games from pirate distributors whether they be small or big time distributors.
They can be found in most non-commercial forums, local newspapers, schools, shops etc.

Yeah most dont have a clue how to burn but more than you know or care to investigate have a clue where to obtain.
Bartering copied games is way bigger than you will ever know, because there are more gamers that cant afford their accumulated platform libraries out there than there are gamers who can afford to pay full/retail.

Closing your eyes to piracy does not make it go away. Unless your in a territory that somehow lives in its own Twilight Zone.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #42 on:** July 08, 2003, 08:22:14 AM »

This isn't about how many nerds you know who've modded their PSX or how many nerds I know who haven't- that's not adequate proof. You can't convince me that pirating is a serious problem that threatens this industry's well being by telling me you know a bunch of guys who pirate games. The PSX was the best selling console of all time and it had a plethora of huge selling games- if pirating can really bring down a company, why isn't Sony bankrupt by now? Windows is copied all the time and yet Microsoft is the richest company in the world. Pirating is a problem for developers, yes, but you can't honestly say any company is in trouble of going out of business BEAUSE of pirating.

DRJ · « **Reply #43 on:** July 08, 2003, 09:31:00 AM »

When I go to Best Buy I still see people buying PSone games. They dont know how to pirate. To my amazement I still see people jam packed in the music section getting cds. Talk about easy to pirate (download, burn, play) but millions of people still pay billions of dollars for cds.

Can PS and DC be pirated, yes. I have never pirated a console game (as for anything else...) and if it involves opening the console to mod it, then forget it. You can save XBox games to the HD with some kind of mod, I dunno, but who cares. oooh I have 200 burned pirated games for DC. They all suck, and I never play all of them, but I have them. Who cares.

If I could copy every single XBox and GCN and PS2 game I wouldnt bother. I dont have time to play all of them anyway, so it would be a waste of time and money to even bother. Pirating does hurt companies, but it is only a small loss compared to what they make. Pirating will never bring down any company. Millions of songs are downloaded every day (not by me of course

) and the music industry is still rolling in money. Another thing to realise is hypothetically speaking of course, lets say that I download some music, well I didnt buy CDs before they could be downloaded, I dont own a single one. So the music industry isnt losing my money, 'cause they never had it. Same thing with games, the majority of people who make copies wouldnt buy all those games if they had too anyways, and the people that buy games are not going to stop just because there is some way to make copies. What percentage of games are sold for kids <18? I dunno, but it is a lot for sure. Do you think their parents are going to make them pirated copies? probably not.

Can we close this thread now? the stupidiy if killing me.

I think I said this before a few pages back. There are millions of copies of Windows and Office froating around and M$ has 40 billion in the bank. Poor babies.

Uglydot · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2003, 05:44:19 AM »

I like how the above poster made a typo whenever he tired to insult anyone...

Anyhow, yeah, piracy puts a dent in things, but most poeple would never buy what they pirated. Short and sweet. Thing is, it gives companies a reason to charge more. They have a scapegoat for raising prices.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2003, 06:07:31 AM »

But developpers AREN'T going to raise prices- people are a bit edgy paying $50 right now and raising the price of games would make sales go down and only encourage piracy even more. Game prices won't go up.

DRJ · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2003, 06:49:53 AM »

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people are a bit edgy paying $50 right now

Exactly. If a game comes out that I really like I will buy it for $50. If the prices go up I would just be very picky about what games I will buy right away. I would probably wind up waiting a few months to save some money and buy them either used, or discounted.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** July 11, 2003, 10:39:04 PM »

Well, yesterday I witnessed a salesman in a major retailer discussing with a customer what ways there are to pirate XBox games and how to obtain Modchips cheap, etc. Now if that isn't a hint that pirating is close to mainstream...

nonjagged · « **Reply #48 on:** July 12, 2003, 08:13:03 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Well, yesterday I witnessed a salesman in a major retailer discussing with a customer what ways there are to pirate XBox games and how to obtain Modchips cheap, etc. Now if that isn't a hint that pirating is close to mainstream...

Some ppl chose to ignore it or pretend it doesnt exist.

Schoolies have at one stage or another visited a gaming forum board "accidently" while not being allowed to view p0rn sites while at school, and youd be surprised how many forums actually have topics on mods and which one to get etc.

But anyways,

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchnews.asp?newsid=86569

Anyone want to start speculation on what the next GCN will be called? Not the codename but the actual official name since M$ has the dodgy Xenon rumors floating. Should GCN2 be called Wizball?

Here mine: NES +
because in my opinion I think it will have built-in multiple slots for the GBA SP successor software, USB, etc
It will be the most evolved Nintendo Entertainment System. It could also be called NEC (console) because NEC are working together on it.

And the console should be codenamed: Aran's Undies

KDR_11k · « **Reply #49 on:** July 13, 2003, 12:43:06 AM »

Yeah, call it Wizball and when you don't insert a CD you can play Wizball on it, eh?

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Author Topic: Micrsoft is now doomed (Read 18233 times)