Topic: Transformers

[SixthAngel]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Soundwave was in the movie? I think not, so in turn your whole post fails! All I can say, is that thankfully there are far more people who appreciated the film (the weekend return only dropping less than 50%), most of whom tried not to take a movie too seriously that had giant talking robots that could transform into cars and other vehicles.

So instead they had a different transformer that was also a music player.  They couldn't use tapes because it is 2007 so they used a cd player instead.  They gave him the name Frenzy (which I just looked up) to satisfy superhardcore fans who couldn't take Soundwave being so small and different.  Frenzy was a tape not an actual boombox, the transform mode gives away who it was always supposed to be and who they wanted most people to think it was.  I don't even think they mention his name the whole movie.  It was Soundwave no doubt to everyone that didn't look up everything online before hand, they just put Frenzy on the internet to calm the rabid fans.  We know the truth though.  It would be like if Nintendo decided baby Mario's name would be Frank to keep hardcore Mario fans happy yet kept his big red cap with an M on it.  We all would know who it really was only those hardcore enough to look up information about it would see the propaganda to make them happy.


You used one small nitpick only super hardcore fans would know in order to ignore the truth throughout the entire post.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix


Soundwave was in the movie? I think not, so in turn your whole post fails! All I can say, is that thankfully there are far more people who appreciated the film (the weekend return only dropping less than 50%), most of whom tried not to take a movie too seriously that had giant talking robots that could transform into cars and other vehicles.

So instead they had a different transformer that was also a music player.  They couldn't use tapes because it is 2007 so they used a cd player instead.  They gave him the name Frenzy (which I just looked up) to satisfy superhardcore fans who couldn't take Soundwave being so small and different.  Frenzy was a tape not an actual boombox, the transform mode gives away who it was always supposed to be and who they wanted most people to think it was.  I don't even think they mention his name the whole movie.  It was Soundwave no doubt to everyone that didn't look up everything online before hand, they just put Frenzy on the internet to calm the rabid fans.

Actually Soundwave is rumored to be in the sequel, and may very well be voiced by Frank Welker. Not sure about your conspiracy theory either, you may have forgotten but Frenzy was in G1 as well and was the smallest of the Decepticons.   His alternate mode was a cassette too.

[SixthAngel]

I only watched the cartoon when I was kid but even the makers of the movie say the role was originally supposed to be Soundwave but they changed who it was because they thought the model was too "different."

Different = Hardcore fans are gonna get pissed.  Lets keep everything about the character we were going to use, even the trademark transform mode of Soundwave except lets change his name.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
I only watched the cartoon when I was kid but even the makers of the movie say the role was originally supposed to be Soundwave but they changed who it was because they thought the model was too "different."

Different = Hardcore fans are gonna get pissed.  Lets keep everything about the character we were going to use, even the trademark transform mode of Soundwave except lets change his name.

There still was a frenzy in the original series who matches the profile of this new one. So called hardcore fans would know that as well. It doesn't matter what the role was originally intended as, because like many other movies things change and so do characters. Like I said though I believe the writer has stated they will try to include Soundwave in the next movie, since they are fans of the character.

[SixthAngel]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
I only watched the cartoon when I was kid but even the makers of the movie say the role was originally supposed to be Soundwave but they changed who it was because they thought the model was too "different."

Different = Hardcore fans are gonna get pissed.  Lets keep everything about the character we were going to use, even the trademark transform mode of Soundwave except lets change his name.

There still was a frenzy in the original series who matches the profile of this new one. So called hardcore fans would know that as well. It doesn't matter what the role was originally intended as, because like many other movies things change and so do characters.

The difference is that Frenzy doesn't have enough fans to bitch that he is totally different with a new transform mode just like Soundwave's but after looking on the internet Soundwave has a large fanbase that would crucify the movie for making him small.  The transform mode has always been the trademark of all the characters and this is Soundwave's transform mode and him, just technically Frenzy.  I did like the cd shurikens he had though.

Enough about technicalities.  Did you honestly not laugh when they brought the allspark into a city for no apparent reason besides a fighting backdrop and then decide to run from Starscream and Megatron with helicopter?

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
You used one small nitpick only super hardcore fans would know in order to ignore the truth throughout the entire post.

The truth is that your complaints were nitpicky in their own right, and are entirely subjective. Maybe the army guy seen something in the armor that he could exploit? Who knows and frankly who cares? You see that stuff all the time in even some of the best action movies, it is one of things that makes an action movie and action movie, they always get into the realm of "Yeah right, that wouldn't happen in real life!". In regards to the autobots flying, I don't recall them doing much flying in G1 either. It was an artistic choice, to differentiate the two sides, the Decepticons were best airborn while the autobots were best on the ground.

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
It may be the best pure action movie I've ever seen in my entire life. It starts with a bang and doesn't really let up, and Shia Lebouf is the PERFECT everyman.

1. Shia LeBouf doesn't shut up at all for the entire movie. He's like a small child on sugar. It got annoying at times.
2. It seemed a bit long and drawn out. Some of the jokes (like Transformers in the backyard) were done until they were no longer funny.
3. They kept the "transforming sound" almost identical to what I remember from my childhood.

It was a decent movie, but I can list off several action movies which were better. Die Hard for one (I saw #2 the night before) was higher quality because it didn't have ridiculous CG graphics (to the point where I had no idea what was happening in the mess of pre-rendered junk flying at the screen)

Is there even a "pure" genre because I certainly got the feeling there was a simple storyline in there. If it was 2 hours of transformers fighting then I'd call it a pure action movie.

PS: Hot chick and Aussie chick = not a pure action movie.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
I only watched the cartoon when I was kid but even the makers of the movie say the role was originally supposed to be Soundwave but they changed who it was because they thought the model was too "different."

Different = Hardcore fans are gonna get pissed.  Lets keep everything about the character we were going to use, even the trademark transform mode of Soundwave except lets change his name.

There still was a frenzy in the original series who matches the profile of this new one. So called hardcore fans would know that as well. It doesn't matter what the role was originally intended as, because like many other movies things change and so do characters.

The difference is that Frenzy doesn't have enough fans to bitch that he is totally different with a new transform mode just like Soundwave's but after looking on the internet Soundwave has a large fanbase that would crucify the movie for making him small.  The transform mode has always been the trademark of all the characters and this is Soundwave's transform mode and him, just technically Frenzy.  I did like the cd shurikens he had though.

Enough about technicalities.  Did you honestly not laugh when they brought the allspark into a city for no apparent reason besides a fighting backdrop and then decide to run from Starscream and Megatron with helicopter?

So if they bring in Soundwave are you still going to whine about Frenzy? The writers of the film were big Transformer fans as well, and the creative team made the decision to change Frenzy's character in order to stay in line with the re imagined transformers.  In regards to laughing about that part with the all spark, I didn't think much of it, it didn't matter one way or another. Like I said finding logic in situations that happen in the action genre shows you really aren't there to watch an action movie but to pick things apart.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Shift Key

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Originally posted by: Kairon
It may be the best pure action movie I've ever seen in my entire life. It starts with a bang and doesn't really let up, and Shia Lebouf is the PERFECT everyman.

1. Shia LeBouf doesn't shut up at all for the entire movie. He's like a small child on sugar. It got annoying at times.
2. It seemed a bit long and drawn out. Some of the jokes (like Transformers in the backyard) were done until they were no longer funny.
3. They kept the "transforming sound" almost identical to what I remember from my childhood.

It was a decent movie, but I can list off several action movies which were better. Die Hard for one (I saw #2 the night before) was higher quality because it didn't have ridiculous CG graphics (to the point where I had no idea what was happening in the mess of pre-rendered junk flying at the screen)

Is there even a "pure" genre because I certainly got the feeling there was a simple storyline in there. If it was 2 hours of transformers fighting then I'd call it a pure action movie.

PS: Hot chick and Aussie chick = not a pure action movie.

You should see the making of feature, Bay did everything he could with conventional means (actually he is known for trying to avoid CGI whenever possible), in fact alot of the stuff he insisted on doing conventionally (some of the scenes were quite impressive when you seen how they pulled it off). Though when you are talking about giant robots that transform into vehicles you can't very well do that with conventional means.
 

[DAaaMan64]

I agree that it isn't much like the show... but.

I love this movie and I can't pinpoint why. When I watch It, I get that feeling like a sitcom or anime I really like is coming to it's show finale.  That real heart felt weird butterfly feeling and nearly a depression, but I am still happy.  Totally screwed up really.  I don't understand why I get it, but I get it whenever I watch this movie and it'll last for about a day after I watch it.

I kinda think it has to do with the music and Megan Fox. haha I am being completely honest.  I bought the score to this movie and I love it.  The reason why I mention Megan Fox is that, even though I don't like her in any other movie or sitcom, she just gets me in this one.  And not like, got my attention gets me.  She has me in love with her by the end of movie.  I don't know why, and frankly it's sick that I would feel that way about an actress I've never met.  I have never felt that way during a movie I will never ever action on this retarded feeling in such an outlandish and impossible circumstance.  I think I get this same feeling when I go on vacation and see a girl I am interested in.

TOTALLY Lame

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
The reason why I mention Megan Fox is that, even though I don't like her in any other movie or sitcom, she just gets me in this one.  And not like, got my attention gets me.  She has me in love with her by the end of movie.  I don't know why, and frankly it's sick that I would feel that way about an actress I've never met.  I have never felt that way during a movie I will never ever action on this retarded feeling in such an outlandish and impossible circumstance.  I think I get this same feeling when I go on vacation and see a girl I am interested in.

GET OUTSIDE IMMEDIATELY

[DAaaMan64]

GET OUTSIDE IMMEDIATELY

Oh Ya er something!  This is why I think it totally retarded that I would feel that way.  absolutely the dumbest thing ever.

I mean look at this girl:



She had this look on her face constantly through the whole movie, I don't think a damn thing goes on in her head ever.

[nickmitch]

While Shia LeBeouf has a look of general concern/fear on his face, the female looks like she's glaring at somebody.

[DAaaMan64]

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While Shia LeBeouf has a look of general concern/fear on his face, the female looks like she's glaring at somebody.

Well I don't know.  But a couple more viewings of that movie and I'll stop glorifying the girl. Back to normal.  

[DAaaMan64]

READY TO THROW UP?



She was recently named world's sexiest woman by an online pole. OH THEY R SOO RITE

YES THAT IS MEGAN FOX.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

UGH NO WAI

[nickmitch]

World's Sexiest? She doesn't even have a good rack.

[animecyberrat]

The difference is that Frenzy doesn't have enough fans to bitch

You sire have never spent ANY time in a Transformers forum if you can say this, the whole Rumble vs Frenzy debate is one of the most heated Transformers argument to this day.



Basically it goes like this, Soundwave had 5 smaller cassettes originally, they added more latter but the originals were Rumble, Frenzy, Buzzsaw (the bird that CAME WITH Soundwave BUT NOT featured in the show more than 2 or three episodes, Laser Beak (sold seperately from Soundwave but WAS his sidekick on the show and featured prominatley every single episode., then there was Ravage (the what was it bob cat?)

Anyways it goes something like this, Rumble and Frenzy were twins, the exact same robot mode the difference was ONE was Red and ONE was BLUE. Here is where it gets tricky and WHY it was IMPROTANT to have Frenzy as the name in this movie.


In the cartoon the BLUE robot was referred to as RUMBLE, but the RED robot was called Frenzy (causing most cartoon fans to mix up the names)
The toys AND COMICS switched the names around, the RED robot was RUMBLE and the BLUE robot was Frenzy (but in BOTH cases the BLUE robot was the most used)

So he was the ONE cassette that had the most fans to piss off and pelase at the same time. No matter which name they went with, Soundwave, Frenzy or Rumble, some fans were gonna be pissed.


See the Toys came first so it SHOULD be the standard, but they had a RED Bumble Bee AND a Yellow Bumble Bee toy (there were other mix ups in the series as well, too many to list but worth noting the major ones due to their placement in the new film)


So most fans generally accept the toy colors and names aren't always right, so they side with either the cartoon OR the comics (which had different stories and main characters)

So the comics and pilot of the cartoon both came out close enough to the launch of the toys to cause this mass confusion, depending on which you were exposed to first, toys, cartoon or comics, would determine what name you associated with the RED/BLUE robot cassettes.


So for this movie to settle that Frenzy is the main robot that everyone associated with and was acting as Megatrons right hand man (a role Rumble played in the cartoon and Frenzy played in the comics) so this was likely a way for the film makers to sorta 'settle' the great debate. (even though I take the stance that Rumble is Blue and Frenzy is Red so to me the character in the movies is RUMBLE *NOT* Frenzy despite what the writers may say)


Also I don't get the whole Bumblebee as a sports car hate most people had, in G2 he was a beetle but then turned into a sports car (not an actual Camero but a Camero looking car)


So of all non-beetle alt modes the Camero was the obvious choice, aside from cooperate meddling that is. But a lot of transfans contest the legitimacy of G2 in the first place so why do I even care right?