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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2007, 09:13:30 AM »
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"Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies? Pearl Harbor sucked, just a little bit more than I miss you"

That's all I could think of while reading your post Svevan.
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2007, 09:15:31 AM »
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Saw the movie on monday night. I was the biggest skeptic about the movie. From BumbleBee being a camero, to the "Bionicle design" of the Transformers themselves, I came into the theater with mid to low expectations. On top of that, Transformers: The Movie(1986) is my favorite movie ever, hands down. Now that I've said that, Transformers is a very good popcorn movie, very very good. The CG is the best I've ever seen. ILM has outdone themselves. I was about 90min into the film before I realized that the robots were CG. The best way to describe it: Bad Boys 2 meets the Transformers.  Bay has got to be the best big budget action director in movies today, as the action in this film is almost "anime" in its design and execution. The writing is classic Transformers and any fan of G1 will appreciate the little things they added that was true to the source material. Transformers is a really fun summer movie. Save form some dialogue missteps and classic movie clichés, that are ever ridiculous in a movie about robots from outer-space, you're left with the best Sci fi/Action movie since Firefly and Michael Bay's best film to date.



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How dare you agree with with majority and go against Evan the final word on what is trash and what is good.
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2007, 10:21:40 AM »
Wait, I'm confused. I thought Svevan ultimately illustrated why the movie should be appreciated?
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2007, 10:38:01 AM »
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Wait, I'm confused. I thought Svevan ultimately illustrated why the movie should be appreciated?


Calling it the latest misstep and Bay's best piece of trash is not a complement. Really I think this kind of movie is what Bay can excel at, he should focus on the action genre (which I think should be appreciated as much as any other) where he is brilliant when it comes to making some of the best action around while making good use of limited budgets.  
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2007, 11:01:32 AM »
While his personal stance on Michael Bay is somewhat derisive, there's no real argument put forth for WHY we shouldn't like or appreicate these films.

Every supposed negative is matched with a positive. A Master of frivolity. An idiot savant. A misstep, AND a masterpiece. He's the type of director who can be ignored, AND our assumptions about him are wrong. If anything, this is an argument for why Bay is unique, worth a second look, and NOT someone who we should just pooh-pooh.

Just because we can detect a slight sheen of cynicism doesn't mean that that's the lesson we should learn. It merely means that despite the content of his writing, the author couldn't let go of certain prejudices that are, thankfully, lacking in us.
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2007, 11:05:15 AM »
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While his personal stance on Michael Bay is somewhat derisive, there's no real argument put forth for WHY we shouldn't like or appreicate these films.

Every supposed negative is matched with a positive. A Master of frivolity. An idiot savant. A misstep, AND a masterpiece. He's the type of director who can be ignored, AND our assumptions about him are wrong. If anything, this is an argument for why Bay is unique, worth a second look, and NOT someone who we should just pooh-pooh.

Just because we can detect a slight sheen of cynicism doesn't mean that that's the lesson we should learn. It merely means that despite the content of his writing, the author couldn't let go of certain prejudices that are, thankfully, lacking in us.


Now we are referring to Evan as the author?  
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2007, 11:16:03 AM »
The umm... writer?
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2007, 11:20:08 AM »
How about Evan the overly wordy. Or Evan the "why do you have to say so much and say so little". Or better yet Evan the "movie elitist".
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2007, 11:23:51 AM »
I prefer Evan the "I wanna be the next Roger Ebert."
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« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2007, 11:32:49 AM »
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I prefer Evan the "I wanna be the next Roger Ebert."


That works too considering I think Ebert is a elitist reviewer who is overrated!
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2007, 12:54:28 PM »
Haters be damned, Transformers is a blessing from the summer movie gods. Please enjoy responsibly.â„¢


But wait...I know nothing for I also have enjoyed such "hated-on" classics such as: Star Wars Episode 3, Maroon 5 and Allen Iverson!
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2007, 01:13:28 PM »
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Haters be damned, Transformers is a blessing from the summer movie gods. Please enjoy responsibly.â„¢


But wait...I know nothing for I also have enjoyed such "hated-on" classics such as: Star Wars Episode 3, Maroon 5 and Allen Iverson!


Never heard of the last two movies but Star Wars Episode 3 was fairly well received.
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2007, 01:15:38 PM »
Hey, I like Evan!

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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2007, 01:29:24 PM »
GoldenPhoenix wrote me a PM repeating her statements here, and instead of responding through personal messages, I have decided to air the dirty laundry as she has already done.

So, Sophia:

What I was trying to say was that Transformers is a great film because it is vacuous, that it's lack of a message (or any meaning) makes it a perfect exercise in stylistic violence. I've loved Michael Bay for a long time, and Transformers may be the pinnacle of his work so far. I'm sorry you misread my post as sarcastic.

I do think being intellectual is important, and I prefer not to call that "elitism." I believe you are a strong supporter of anti-intellectualism. Knowing how and why something is good is better than being ignorant of it, especially for those who are passionate about movies. That doesn't necessarily mean everyone should agree, but it does mean that everyone should think. Also, your responses to my movie posts have always been calls to relativism (the "if I think it's good, then it is" mentality, which is nothing more than a justification of ignorance), and have been filled with vitriol that is undeserving of my statements.

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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2007, 01:34:44 PM »
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How about we stop discussing how much we do or do not hate me and start discussing the film? Let it be said that GoldenPhoenix DID misread my post, and though she wrote a PM to me saying the same things here, I choose to respond to her in public since she's taken up a mission against me.

So, Sophia:

What I was trying to say was that Transformers is a great film because it is vacuous, that it's lack of a message (or any meaning) makes it a perfect exercise in stylistic violence. I've loved Michael Bay for a long time, and Transformers may be the pinnacle of his work so far. I'm sorry you misread my post as sarcastic.

I do think being intellectual is important, and I prefer not to call that "elitism." I believe you are a strong supporter of anti-intellectualism. Knowing how and why something is good is better than being ignorant of it, especially for those who are passionate about movies. That doesn't necessarily mean everyone should agree, but it does mean that everyone should think. Also, your responses to my movie posts have always been calls to relativism (the "if I think it's good, then it is" mentality), something you know I disagree with, and have been filled with vitriol that is undeserving of my statements.

So please, cool it.


So now I'm an anti-intellectual? This is exactly what I"m talking about your posts come accross not as "intellectual" but pseudo-intellectual drivel filled with overly complex ways of saying the simplest of things (see wasn't that much easier to say what you meant instead of masking it in bombastic wannabe intellectual garbage?). That is elitism when you take down someone elses opinion who thinks it is good, because you say otherwise. I'm sorry butif  it is good to an individual, just like any form of art, some may thing it is brilliant while others may not, deal with it. I doubt there are few people that don't know why they like something, it is just that people have different REASONS for liking or not liking something. Not everything revolves around Evan's definition of "good" and everything that is contrary to that is wrong or ignorant.  
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« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2007, 01:38:44 PM »
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Hey, I like Evan!


I thought I did but when someone accuses you of being an anti-intellectual and ignorant because you may have differing views on what makes something good has pretty much ended my positive feelings toward him. That is the kind of crap I was talking about.
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2007, 01:57:48 PM »
Oh God Sophia. Here are the contradictions in your statements:

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I thought I did but when someone accuses you of being an anti-intellectual and ignorant because you may have differing views on what makes something good has pretty much ended my positive feelings toward him.

What about my view? Why are you getting so vehement about someone else's feelings and ideas about a movie when you yourself say this:
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"I'm sorry butif it is good to an individual, just like any form of art, some may thing it is brilliant while others may not, deal with it."

I didn't accuse you of being anti-intellectual because you had differing views, no sir, please read again:

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That doesn't necessarily mean everyone should agree, but it does mean that everyone should think.

I accused you of being anti-intellectual because of this:

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Not everything has to be an Evan "philosophical" special where elites can discuss all the great information they pulled from the film.

You attacked me for even thinking about the movie at all. Oh, BTW, did you not notice that we have the exact same opinion about the film?

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Really I think this kind of movie is what Bay can excel at, he should focus on the action genre (which I think should be appreciated as much as any other) where he is brilliant when it comes to making some of the best action around while making good use of limited budgets.

Although Bay has huge budgets, everything else here is true. Bay excels at making action movies, they are a valid genre of film, and he IS brilliant. But wait, why is it that when you say it it's okay, but when I say it with a
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it's not okay?

You're saying two different things here, one, that Transformers is a great film and no one should disagree with you, and two, everyone has a right to their opinions about movies regardless of what the "elitists" say. Shellshock: I like Bay, almost every movie of his I've seen (except Pearl Harbor). He is tasteless, he makes trash, and his movies are brainless. And they're good. My point is that what is typically considered "good" is not necessarily so. But that's because I believe there is such a thing as "good," and it is not defined by the individual.

Having strong opinions is not elitism, and writing passionately about a film does not automatically make it "pseudo-intellectual drivel." You're using buzzwords and prejudiced categorization to dismiss my opinion, and that is one of the strongest anti-intellectual tactics.  
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« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2007, 02:20:45 PM »
Let me take on your main points

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You attacked me for even thinking about the movie at all. Oh, BTW, did you not notice that we have the exact same opinion about the film?


I attacked you for the way you presented yourself which came accross as condescending. Oh yeah since you misread my statement I was being sarcastic towards the way you presented yourself (I am speaking in regards to your supposedly deep analysis of Transformers, trying find things that most likely were never meant to be there). You even admit over and over again that good is not subjective, so isn't that being elite in that your opinion of what truly is a good movie is the only truth? Doesn't that come across as a bit condescending to you

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lthough Bay has huge budgets, everything else here is true. Bay excels at making action movies, they are a valid genre of film, and he IS brilliant. But wait, why is it that when you say it it's okay, but when I say it with a


In case you haven't noticed but compared to other big budget movies in the action/sci fi genre Transformers does have a limited budget and managed to do more with it than most of the bigger ones (Spider-man 3 being one). So yes he can get the best out of minimal budgets, and I stand by that statement. Also why do I have a problem with you saying your opinion? For one it isn't really clear, if you read your review there is little to no praise besides the buzz words you use in the beginning and the end. You call the director an idiot savant and the movie itself trash. Not to mention you seem to pull an indended symbolism out of the film which you then use to critisize it, which seems like a big strategy. The movie itself is tasteless, and oh I dunno maybe that the movie is vaccuous (which in itself is a completely subjective term)?

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ou're saying two different things here, one, that Transformers is a great film and no one should disagree with you, and two, everyone has a right to their opinions about movies regardless of what the "elitists" say. Shellshock: I like Bay, almost every movie of his I've seen (except Pearl Harbor). He is tasteless, he makes trash, and his movies are brainless. And they're good. My point is that what is typically considered "good" is not necessarily so. But that's because I believe there is such a thing as "good," and it is not defined by the individual.


Doesn't sound elitist at all does it? If Evan says is "good" then it is the ultimate truth. I am sorry but greatness is completely subjective to the individual and if you tend to take offense to it, it is gamefaqs namecalling, just wrapped in a nicer package. Whether something is "good" or not depends on what you put more importance on. Even movies that widely considered good does not mean it ultimately is, just that the common consensus and perceptions of what is good is the same.
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2007, 05:50:13 PM »
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm having more fun from this thread than any other thing associated with transformers. Of course it may have something to do with the fact that I'm pure evil. And that's right. I don't even like transformers that much to use a capital T when writing transformers.

Anyways, if I'm seeing things correctly, this is a war between autobots(?) and decepticons(?) and they are transforming their words into weapons and using them to attack one another all while fighting over the allspark(?) which is the speculative nature of what is "good." Both sides think they are right from their viewpoint. It really is quite fascinating.

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« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2007, 06:04:23 PM »
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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2007, 06:50:56 PM »
I sense a Funhouse spinoff topic sometime in the future related to this "anti-intellectual" versus "pseudo-intellectual" argument...
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« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2007, 07:40:01 PM »
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I sense a Funhouse spinoff topic sometime in the future related to this "anti-intellectual" versus "pseudo-intellectual" argument...


It be great and vacuous all at the same time!
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« Reply #97 on: July 04, 2007, 05:16:16 AM »
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I sense a Funhouse spinoff topic sometime in the future related to this "anti-intellectual" versus "pseudo-intellectual" argument...


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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #98 on: July 04, 2007, 03:46:45 PM »
Anyway, I seriously thought of making a new thread to say this because of you two.  I went and saw the new transformer movie today and I have to say I really enjoyed it.  Definitely watch for the product placement and the little things.  For the most part its humor and action with a little romance mixed in and no drama.  If there is a moral message in the movie it is that people are oblivious to things out of the norm.
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RE:Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #99 on: July 05, 2007, 05:36:11 AM »
I think the movie is great with popcorn. As a Transformers G1 fan, I feel like I should be upset, but the knowledge that the movie was not made for G1 fans diminishes the queeziness.

I'm surprised no one complains of the 'car commercial' aspect of the film. I would be completely removed from the film each time the cars would come rolling down the road with the sweeping camera running by overhead. I tend to think the action would have been alot more fun if the cars were fake name brands without any sort of 'image' attached. The rest of the product placement is commonplace these days. Though I did see some tv show the other day that had a widescreen tv and the name brand had tape over it.

Greatest line: Sam's happy time.

They should have had something similar to the end of Grumpy Old Men with Sam's mom running through various names. That would have been awesome.