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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2006, 01:55:49 AM »
Approximately three hours until the full teaser debuts on Yahoo! here:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html

Stupid thing is I'll probably try to catch it ASAP except I'm at work so I'll see it but not have sound.  I'm fairly certain they won't have the same cartoony transforming sound but I'm sure I'll be curious if they did sneak it in there, or what transforming actually sounds like in the movie.  Or if they have part of the classic theme in there.  Or if Megan Fox sounds hot, or whatever.

I'm guessing I should take my excitement to another forum since it sounds like you guys don't really care.  :P  

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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2006, 02:25:44 AM »
If they don't have the cartoony transforming sound, I probably be pretty turned off.  Not just that just all the things that they have sort of thrown to the wolfs.  The commentaries are good but you can barely hear the movie when watching it like that.  Personally I found some of the Ubergeek ones interesting but I thought they could have been much more interesting considering I've had a glimmer of what the hardcore Transformers collectors are like through Shortpacked
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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2006, 04:15:02 AM »
At some point someone's going to get confused as to which movie we're discussing.  :P

Less than an hour now!  o_0

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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2006, 05:03:07 AM »
WTF, the countdown is counting UP.  It must be in the negatives now.  Where's the teaser trailer???

EDIT: It looks like it's up but it looks like streaming video is blocked at work now.  ;_;  Anyone have a link to a downloadable .wmv or something?  I don't have QuickTime on this computer.

Ah, just someone tell me how cool it is!  I'm assuming it's still visually impressive, anyway.  Is there a cool transformation, and who is it?

EDIT: I managed to get a peek here at the European site: http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/transformers/
Looks cool, but it's not the same without the sound.  >_<  Should've had less shots of the humans.  >_>

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RE: Transformers: New Live Action Film. Power Rangers anyone?
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2006, 05:52:34 AM »
you have to download some video player, and I don't want to do that.
Call me when its up on youtube, or something I already have a player for.

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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2006, 06:23:23 AM »
The movie kind of looks like a heavy focus on humans - kind of an "alien invasion" movie where some of the aliens are good.  That could be a unique twist on the Transformers plot, but at the same time, it makes it seem more like a million other movies.  That was kind of the feeling I got while watching the trailer. It could be any action movie only with vehicles that turn into robots.

Still fun to see Optimus, though.
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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2006, 07:09:41 AM »
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The movie kind of looks like a heavy focus on humans - kind of an "alien invasion" movie where some of the aliens are good.  That could be a unique twist on the Transformers plot, but at the same time, it makes it seem more like a million other movies.  That was kind of the feeling I got while watching the trailer. It could be any action movie only with vehicles that turn into robots.

Still fun to see Optimus, though.


Spielberg said that it will be like some of his old Amblin films.  I assume these include E.T. and Gremlins, where there is focus on the human characters, as much as or more than what the film is named after.  This film will probably be told more from the point of view of the humans, as Spielberg said, he didn't want the movie to start off with a bunch of robots talking to each other in a spaceship, which would "alienate" (pun not originally intended) the audience if they weren't familiar with the Transformers.

I would've liked to have seen more of Starscream or any of Megatron in this teaser, but maybe it's a good sign that they haven't.  Despite them saying that the initial cut of the film is complete, I certainly hope they've taken some time to "fix" the appearance of Starscream's robot mode and Megatron as a whole especially due to fan outrage.  Sure, you can't please all fans, but not many people at all actually want Megatron to look like Swamp-Thing.  

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2006, 07:23:29 AM »
Can we get some screen caps/pics please?

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2006, 07:42:53 AM »
Transformers movie teaser screencaps @ TFW2005.com

Bumblebee's battle mask is kind of ugly.  The whole concept of battle masks is kind of stupid, especially considering they have many unprotected and exposed parts!

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2006, 10:08:35 AM »
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The movie kind of looks like a heavy focus on humans - kind of an "alien invasion" movie where some of the aliens are good.  That could be a unique twist on the Transformers plot, but at the same time, it makes it seem more like a million other movies.  That was kind of the feeling I got while watching the trailer. It could be any action movie only with vehicles that turn into robots.

Still fun to see Optimus, though.


Spielberg said that it will be like some of his old Amblin films.  I assume these include E.T. and Gremlins, where there is focus on the human characters, as much as or more than what the film is named after.  This film will probably be told more from the point of view of the humans, as Spielberg said, he didn't want the movie to start off with a bunch of robots talking to each other in a spaceship, which would "alienate" (pun not originally intended) the audience if they weren't familiar with the Transformers.

I would've liked to have seen more of Starscream or any of Megatron in this teaser, but maybe it's a good sign that they haven't.  Despite them saying that the initial cut of the film is complete, I certainly hope they've taken some time to "fix" the appearance of Starscream's robot mode and Megatron as a whole especially due to fan outrage.  Sure, you can't please all fans, but not many people at all actually want Megatron to look like Swamp-Thing.


I relatively hate the more touchy feely human oriented tranformers series.  It be like me needing to get permission from a Stick Bug and have it solves my problems on a minute by minute basis.
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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2006, 11:46:11 AM »
I figured the movie would suck, but I never imagined the trailer would be so boring.

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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2006, 12:02:53 PM »
Looked interesting, and for the fact thta Speilberg is Executive producing it puts alot more faith into the project. But they could have atleast come up with a transformation sound that is similar to the original.

I will definately go see this when it comes out though.

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« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2006, 12:23:25 PM »
Now that I have made it home and seen it with sound, you're right, it is a little ho-hum.  It was more interesting when I couldn't hear it because I figured it would have the usual rocking montage soundtrack at the end...  

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« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2006, 01:49:25 PM »
I'll miss the transformation sound, but is it really not going to be there? anyway, as long as there are a couple of cheesy moments with more 80s references (like the llittle pony :P ) I'll be happy, I'll see it for sure just to see giant robots in the big screen.

edit: never mind, I rewatched the trailer (which is finally on youtube) and the sound is gone, a bit too "serious" and too many "robots against humans" as oposed to each other, but the movie will have to have plenty of those so no big deal, can't wait.

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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2006, 03:27:01 PM »
That trailer was made of phail but no internet.
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« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2006, 06:48:58 AM »
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That trailer was made of phail but no internet.


well this optimus has flames *rimshot out of pity*

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« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2006, 07:05:18 AM »
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I'll miss the transformation sound, but is it really not going to be there? anyway, as long as there are a couple of cheesy moments with more 80s references (like the llittle pony :P ) I'll be happy, I'll see it for sure just to see giant robots in the big screen.


Notice that at the part where they talk about the sound, the bottom-right corner says "takara83", which is a reference to Takara and 1983.

Also, "takara83" is the login name for sectorseven.org, which is what you see in the upper-right corner as "Sector Seven Org".  I haven't tried it yet, but apparently it's part of some "alternate reality game" which treats the events of the movie as real.

The sound clip was dumb, and as a lead, too, but perhaps that's a trailer-only thing meant to "hide" Sector Seven?


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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2006, 03:08:55 AM »
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I relatively hate the more touchy feely human oriented tranformers series.  It be like me needing to get permission from a Stick Bug and have it solves my problems on a minute by minute basis.


I agree when it comes to the stories where the Transformers really have to rely heavily on the humans - that plot in one of the newer series where only the pure thoughts of children could control Fortress Maximus was one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen.

But plot where it's like, "How would we cope if gigantic robots disguised as vehicles invaded the planet?" might be interesting.  But it needs to be sure to cover the TRANSFORMERS side of the story.
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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2007, 11:33:20 PM »
Transformers is a great movie.

Why is Transformers a great movie, you ask? Well let me tell you.

Michael Bay is one of those directors that can be ignored. He thinks he's making movies about certain things, like patriotism or self-sacrifice, but his films seem to encompass themes very separate from his perceptions. Bay has always been defined by his rambunctious editing, car chases on long freeways, slick and generic humor, and female body worship. It doesn't sound like he's any different than any other action filmmaker, but oh how wrong that assumption is. His movies are usually edited so fast that they resemble abstract art; the narrative of his action sequences is usually lost in this editing as well. It is hard to keep track of the characters and objects being utilized in, for instance, any of his car chases because the sense of geography is ignored. Consider that we rarely see overhead shots of car chases, and if we do it is from a pretty short distance. Bay puts his camera on the same level as the cars being smashed.

And things getting smashed is what he does best. Consider The Island, a film much like Transformers or Pearl Harbor in its vacuity of thought. When the clones discover the truth about the harvesting of their body parts and escape their prison, they seek out their originals. Even though the clones have made a strong stand for the value of themselves as individuals, they are given moral license to kill the originals. If that's not far enough, when they get to the obligatory freeway chase scene, they are given moral license to kill anyone. When the movie gives characters dialogue about the sanctity and value of human life, it is nothing but lip-service for the overarching message of the film: things getting smashed is awesome.

This isn't a negative quality of The Island necessarily. It's almost better if Bay's films have ideas in them that are smashed to bits by their own action scenes. Transformers is a film that wants to be about freedom, national identity, and self-sacrifice. Yeah whatever. The movie ends with a 45 minute action sequence filled with sharp edges, explosions, slow-motion impossibilities, and robots getting smashed. How does that relate to freedom? It doesn't really, except for the premise that the military is benevolent and selfless. Transformers shows a government working together with aliens to destroy other aliens who threaten a generic idea of "freedom." Though this premise could have potentially lead to some sort of war on terror allegory or another agenda, Bay strips any possible meaning from his film by making his action scenes, and even his dialogue scenes, completely unrelated to the rousing speech that will inevitably be given at the end.

So what do we have here? Fast cuts, slow motion, lots of robots, explosions, and some humor and character sprinkled on top. The movie doesn't really have "scenes" so much as it is one entire piece, one entire scene, completely undeveloped but totally overcooked. It's brilliant because it's vacuous, it's beautiful because it is simply images. There is no weight to Bay's action, no message or idea. Bay is a visual stylist who is practically baroque in his combination of sight and sound that overpowers and overwhelms while being in every way insignificant. There is no necessary part of this film: consider the stupid jokes, like a robot peeing on a man, or a fat guy eating donuts, or parents talking about masturbation. These things don't belong in the movie and are completely tasteless. Yet Bay's absurd action scene is mechanical pornography itself; taste doesn't really enter into it.

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« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2007, 11:51:10 PM »
"Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies? Pearl Harbor sucked, just a little bit more than I miss you"

That's all I could think of while reading your post Svevan.
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« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2007, 05:26:52 AM »
I thought it was obvious that Bay was the best director for this movie by seeing his past work, its good I get more and more confirmation of this with every review and impression of the movie, even in the scenario that they would try to put some sort of "message" (and apparently they did) Bay would kill it, leaving pure, unadulterted Transformers action for my eyes to enjoy, now I have to wait until the 20th for the movie to open here

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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2007, 06:18:41 AM »
Saw the movie on monday night. I was the biggest skeptic about the movie. From BumbleBee being a camero, to the "Bionicle design" of the Transformers themselves, I came into the theater with mid to low expectations. On top of that, Transformers: The Movie(1986) is my favorite movie ever, hands down. Now that I've said that, Transformers is a very good popcorn movie, very very good. The CG is the best I've ever seen. ILM has outdone themselves. I was about 90min into the film before I realized that the robots were CG. The best way to describe it: Bad Boys 2 meets the Transformers.  Bay has got to be the best big budget action director in movies today, as the action in this film is almost "anime" in its design and execution. The writing is classic Transformers and any fan of G1 will appreciate the little things they added that was true to the source material. Transformers is a really fun summer movie. Save form some dialogue missteps and classic movie clichés, that are ever ridiculous in a movie about robots from outer-space, you're left with the best Sci fi/Action movie since Firefly and Michael Bay's best film to date.



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« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2007, 07:31:19 AM »
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Transformers is a great movie.

Why is Transformers a great movie, you ask? Well let me tell you.

Michael Bay is one of those directors that can be ignored. He thinks he's making movies about certain things, like patriotism or self-sacrifice, but his films seem to encompass themes very separate from his perceptions. Bay has always been defined by his rambunctious editing, car chases on long freeways, slick and generic humor, and female body worship. It doesn't sound like he's any different than any other action filmmaker, but oh how wrong that assumption is. His movies are usually edited so fast that they resemble abstract art; the narrative of his action sequences is usually lost in this editing as well. It is hard to keep track of the characters and objects being utilized in, for instance, any of his car chases because the sense of geography is ignored. Consider that we rarely see overhead shots of car chases, and if we do it is from a pretty short distance. Bay puts his camera on the same level as the cars being smashed.

And things getting smashed is what he does best. Consider The Island, a film much like Transformers or Pearl Harbor in its vacuity of thought. When the clones discover the truth about the harvesting of their body parts and escape their prison, they seek out their originals. Even though the clones have made a strong stand for the value of themselves as individuals, they are given moral license to kill the originals. If that's not far enough, when they get to the obligatory freeway chase scene, they are given moral license to kill anyone. When the movie gives characters dialogue about the sanctity and value of human life, it is nothing but lip-service for the overarching message of the film: things getting smashed is awesome.

This isn't a negative quality of The Island necessarily. It's almost better if Bay's films have ideas in them that are smashed to bits by their own action scenes. Transformers is a film that wants to be about freedom, national identity, and self-sacrifice. Yeah whatever. The movie ends with a 45 minute action sequence filled with sharp edges, explosions, slow-motion impossibilities, and robots getting smashed. How does that relate to freedom? It doesn't really, except for the premise that the military is benevolent and selfless. Transformers shows a government working together with aliens to destroy other aliens who threaten a generic idea of "freedom." Though this premise could have potentially lead to some sort of war on terror allegory or another agenda, Bay strips any possible meaning from his film by making his action scenes, and even his dialogue scenes, completely unrelated to the rousing speech that will inevitably be given at the end.

So what do we have here? Fast cuts, slow motion, lots of robots, explosions, and some humor and character sprinkled on top. The movie doesn't really have "scenes" so much as it is one entire piece, one entire scene, completely undeveloped but totally overcooked. It's brilliant because it's vacuous, it's beautiful because it is simply images. There is no weight to Bay's action, no message or idea. Bay is a visual stylist who is practically baroque in his combination of sight and sound that overpowers and overwhelms while being in every way insignificant. There is no necessary part of this film: consider the stupid jokes, like a robot peeing on a man, or a fat guy eating donuts, or parents talking about masturbation. These things don't belong in the movie and are completely tasteless. Yet Bay's absurd action scene is mechanical pornography itself; taste doesn't really enter into it.

Bay's a master at making heavy-handed frivolity. He's an idiot savant, and this latest misstep is his best piece of trash ever.


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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2007, 08:36:27 AM »
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Transformers is a great movie.

Why is Transformers a great movie, you ask? Well let me tell you.

Michael Bay is one of those directors that can be ignored. He thinks he's making movies about certain things, like patriotism or self-sacrifice, but his films seem to encompass themes very separate from his perceptions. Bay has always been defined by his rambunctious editing, car chases on long freeways, slick and generic humor, and female body worship. It doesn't sound like he's any different than any other action filmmaker, but oh how wrong that assumption is. His movies are usually edited so fast that they resemble abstract art; the narrative of his action sequences is usually lost in this editing as well. It is hard to keep track of the characters and objects being utilized in, for instance, any of his car chases because the sense of geography is ignored. Consider that we rarely see overhead shots of car chases, and if we do it is from a pretty short distance. Bay puts his camera on the same level as the cars being smashed.

And things getting smashed is what he does best. Consider The Island, a film much like Transformers or Pearl Harbor in its vacuity of thought. When the clones discover the truth about the harvesting of their body parts and escape their prison, they seek out their originals. Even though the clones have made a strong stand for the value of themselves as individuals, they are given moral license to kill the originals. If that's not far enough, when they get to the obligatory freeway chase scene, they are given moral license to kill anyone. When the movie gives characters dialogue about the sanctity and value of human life, it is nothing but lip-service for the overarching message of the film: things getting smashed is awesome.

This isn't a negative quality of The Island necessarily. It's almost better if Bay's films have ideas in them that are smashed to bits by their own action scenes. Transformers is a film that wants to be about freedom, national identity, and self-sacrifice. Yeah whatever. The movie ends with a 45 minute action sequence filled with sharp edges, explosions, slow-motion impossibilities, and robots getting smashed. How does that relate to freedom? It doesn't really, except for the premise that the military is benevolent and selfless. Transformers shows a government working together with aliens to destroy other aliens who threaten a generic idea of "freedom." Though this premise could have potentially lead to some sort of war on terror allegory or another agenda, Bay strips any possible meaning from his film by making his action scenes, and even his dialogue scenes, completely unrelated to the rousing speech that will inevitably be given at the end.

So what do we have here? Fast cuts, slow motion, lots of robots, explosions, and some humor and character sprinkled on top. The movie doesn't really have "scenes" so much as it is one entire piece, one entire scene, completely undeveloped but totally overcooked. It's brilliant because it's vacuous, it's beautiful because it is simply images. There is no weight to Bay's action, no message or idea. Bay is a visual stylist who is practically baroque in his combination of sight and sound that overpowers and overwhelms while being in every way insignificant. There is no necessary part of this film: consider the stupid jokes, like a robot peeing on a man, or a fat guy eating donuts, or parents talking about masturbation. These things don't belong in the movie and are completely tasteless. Yet Bay's absurd action scene is mechanical pornography itself; taste doesn't really enter into it.

Bay's a master at making heavy-handed frivolity. He's an idiot savant, and this latest misstep is his best piece of trash ever.


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All I got to say is that Evan would know the most about being vacuous, irrevalant, and condescending while masking it in in a flashy exterior that really says nothing. Bay was creating an action film with Transformers, that is it, and succeeded wonderfully, but if you want to read his "real" motivations or symbolism in the film, go right ahead, doesn't make it any less ridiculous. So congrats Evan you fit right in with the Bay haters, except you manage to cover up your hatred with alittle more fluff that impresses some. Get over yourself and the fact that people have different tastes in movies, and that a mindless action movie that was put together quite well, can be a GOOD movie not trash. Not everything has to be an Evan "philosophical" special where elites can discuss all the great information they pulled from the film.
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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2007, 08:53:31 AM »
Why am I caught in the middle of this? T_T
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