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Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« on: July 19, 2013, 07:18:48 PM »

The HD TV revolution took the Big N by surprise.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/34975

Miyamoto "wanted to go HD sooner," according to a recent interview with 4Gamer translated by KameDaniRyuu.

His reasoning behind holding off on making the Wii HD was that Nintendo thought "it was going to take some time for HD televisions to become common," but that "HD became more common about 2 to 3 years earlier than we had anticipated."

Going on to talk about the recent release of 4K televisions, Miyamoto stated that while he doesn't "see the need for Zelda in 4K," franchises like Pikmin could benefit from being able to show much smaller details.


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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2013, 07:31:14 PM »
to be fair there is still a decent number of people who haven't moved to HD.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2013, 07:40:12 PM »
Coming off the Gamecube, Nintendo wasn't really in a position to make the Wii an HD console.  Yeah looking back now it would have worked but it was a whole different world back in 2005.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 07:48:51 PM »
...and my opinion of Miyamoto just shot back up about a thousand points.  I really lost respect for him during the Wii years but this helps a lot.

Of course everyone was telling Nintendo that HDTVs were already becoming the standard when the Wii launched.  This is sort of Nintendo admitting they were wrong and I like that.  "2 or 3 years" is a stretch.  HDTVs became the standard within six months of the Wii's launch.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2013, 07:59:08 PM »
Sorry, but I'm not buying this revisionist history now, not after all those years of Nintendo denying that HD mattered.  This sounds more like Miyamoto (and, by extension, Nintendo) trying to not admit that they were wrong about HD adoption.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2013, 08:10:27 PM »
Some of the more rapid uptake probably also had to do with the US digital TV transition and availability of prerecorded HD content. When all you could get was 1-2 hrs a day over the air, it was a tough sell.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2013, 08:23:16 PM »
Apparently everyone thinks the HDTV adoption rate was super high in 2006. They weren't STANDARD until around 2007 or later.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2013, 08:26:32 PM »
Yeah my family only got one because our SD crapped out at the right time. there are still people who don't have an HD TV to this very day.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 08:37:05 PM »
Apparently everyone thinks the HDTV adoption rate was super high in 2006. They weren't STANDARD until around 2007 or later.

Well, I'm glad that one year was worth sacrificing any software future the Wii had after its 3rd year.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 08:57:03 PM »
Sorry, but I'm not buying this revisionist history now, not after all those years of Nintendo denying that HD mattered.  This sounds more like Miyamoto (and, by extension, Nintendo) trying to not admit that they were wrong about HD adoption.
Dude, that was PR 101. If a company is trying to sell an idea, they're not going to tell you the opposite. For example, "It's not delivery. It's DiGiorno!" Have you ever had DiGiorno? It goddamn tastes like DiGiorno and no one is mixing that up with delivery. No one. Ever.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 09:01:26 PM »
I have to think that Xbox 360 and PS3 being HD consoles had to help push adoption rates as well.  In other words, MS/Sony made the market come to them rather than taking Nintendo's "wait and see" approach.


I think this shows how Nintendo really is a pretty insular company. They believe what they believe about the market, and would probably never look outside their doors for guidance (consultants, etc.).
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 09:09:29 PM »
Sony was one of the groups pushing for HD, of course they would support it in the PS3. Microsoft likely assumed this to be the case and pushed it on the 360 for that same reason.

I really don't think that the PS3/360 had much impact on HD-TV sales,

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 09:22:01 PM »
Sony was one of the groups pushing for HD, of course they would support it in the PS3. Microsoft likely assumed this to be the case and pushed it on the 360 for that same reason.

I really don't think that the PS3/360 had much impact on HD-TV sales,

Microsoft heavily pushed HD being the future, so much that they & their partners were particularly dickish about it at the 360 launch ("You can't read the text in Dead Rising? Then go buy an HD TV!").  Sony, meanwhile, was heavily pushing BluRay as the new standard for home video through the the PS3, which in turn pushed the adoption of HD TVs to play said BluRays.  While the impact on HD TV adoption can't really be measured, I think it's fair to say they had more than a little bit of a hand in pushing HD TV adoption.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 09:24:01 PM »
Sorry Broodwars, Adrock is right on this one.  Them admitting midway through the Wii's life cycle that they should have made it HD would contradict with their messaging they made from day 1, AND basically admitting that Sony & Microsoft's offerings were more attractive than what Nintendo was providing.


I know you've been riding the Nintendo hate train for a while, but couldn't it possibly be that Miyamoto was reflecting on the Wii and made a candid remark about what they should have done last generation?

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted The Wii to be HD
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2013, 09:28:29 PM »
Coming off the Gamecube, Nintendo wasn't really in a position to make the Wii an HD console.  Yeah looking back now it would have worked but it was a whole different world back in 2005.


Making the most money in the last generation and losing 2nd place to Microsoft by a few million consoles meant they couldn't make an HD console and couldn't compete in the marketplace?


I get the Wii was successful because of motion controls, but it would have been snapped up with motion controls and HD at $350/unit.  The PS3 started at $600 and at one point you could buy a PS3 for $300 when the Wii was still $250 and the Wii was owning the PS3 in sales.  It certainly could have started at $350 and been a success.  I've heard part of the reason the 3DS was so overpriced at launch was because they thought they left money on the table by pricing the Wii so low. 

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2013, 09:32:57 PM »
Sorry Broodwars, Adrock is right on this one.  Them admitting midway through the Wii's life cycle that they should have made it HD would contradict with their messaging they made from day 1, AND basically admitting that Sony & Microsoft's offerings were more attractive than what Nintendo was providing.

This was more than simple PR, though. Nintendo was outright hostile to HD during the Wii era, practically calling it the death of the industry.  To use that Digiorno analogy, Nintendo was not only saying that Digiorno was just as good as Delivery, but that Delivery pizza causes heart attacks in anyone who eats it.  That's why the revisionist history is particularly funny.  This is the company that said that "no one will be able to tell the difference between SD and HD, anyway!"
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2013, 09:48:32 PM »
Sorry Broodwars, Adrock is right on this one.  Them admitting midway through the Wii's life cycle that they should have made it HD would contradict with their messaging they made from day 1, AND basically admitting that Sony & Microsoft's offerings were more attractive than what Nintendo was providing.

This was more than simple PR, though. Nintendo was outright hostile to HD during the Wii era, practically calling it the death of the industry.  To use that Digiorno analogy, Nintendo was not only saying that Digiorno was just as good as Delivery, but that Delivery pizza causes heart attacks in anyone who eats it.  That's why the revisionist history is particularly funny.  This is the company that said that "no one will be able to tell the difference between SD and HD, anyway!"


They had a vested interest in asserting that HD wasn't a big deal.  What I will say is that the video game industry, not just Nintendo, are terrible at managing their messaging.  I've worked in a few different industries, and none of them regularly release such childish & unapologetically hyperbolic statements to make a point in an argument. 


I don't think your complaint is a Nintendo problem.  I think it's a video game industry problem.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2013, 10:39:46 PM »
Making the most money in the last generation and losing 2nd place to Microsoft by a few million consoles meant they couldn't make an HD console and couldn't compete in the marketplace?


I get the Wii was successful because of motion controls, but it would have been snapped up with motion controls and HD at $350/unit.  The PS3 started at $600 and at one point you could buy a PS3 for $300 when the Wii was still $250 and the Wii was owning the PS3 in sales.  It certainly could have started at $350 and been a success.  I've heard part of the reason the 3DS was so overpriced at launch was because they thought they left money on the table by pricing the Wii so low. 

NES - 62 million

SNES - 49 million

N64 - 33 million

Gamecube - 22 million


This is why after the Gamecube back in 2005, Nintendo couldn't afford to make an HD system.  Yeah they still made some profit off the Gamecube but the overwelming majority of their money that gen came from the GBA.  After a clear drop in every home console they released since the NES, there was a clear concern Nintendo's home console market would soon be dead.  That's why they decided to change things up with the Wii but made the system weaker so if it failed it wouldn't damage the bank.

Once again, nobody had any idea how popular the Wii would become.  Do you not remember all the conversations in 2005 after the Wiimote was first revealed how risky everyone thought it was?  Even Nintendo was shocked by its success which is why Wii were so hard to find its early months because they had no idea demand would be so high.  Had the system been comparable to the 360/PS3 in power and sold less then the Gamecube, it would have cost Nintendo billions.  Making the system a modified Gamecube like they did wouldn't have seriously hurt the company if it failed since it was much cheaper to produce.

It's easy to say now how Nintendo could have made a more powerful console but nobody could have predicted its success back in 2005.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2013, 10:43:14 PM »
I think the other consoles pushed the adoption rate for HDTVs. The PS3 was, for a long time, the cheap blu-ray player. Blu-ray is only worthwhile if you have an HDTV. THe thing that pushed the adoption rate was content and Sony brought that two fold with the PS3, even if it was initially scarce and then not particularly wanted. The transition was going to happen eventually, but content is what drove it.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2013, 10:44:24 PM »
I think I bought my first HDTV in fall 2007. The prices on decent sizes and performance started hitting the sweet spot around then. A year before, and people were still buying tube televisions.

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2013, 10:47:17 PM »
Around that time was also the boom of "flat pannel" (compare to "flat screen").
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2013, 06:56:29 AM »

NES - 62 million

SNES - 49 million

N64 - 33 million

Gamecube - 22 million

This is why after the Gamecube back in 2005, Nintendo couldn't afford to make an HD system.  Yeah they still made some profit off the Gamecube but the overwelming majority of their money that gen came from the GBA.  After a clear drop in every home console they released since the NES, there was a clear concern Nintendo's home console market would soon be dead.  That's why they decided to change things up with the Wii but made the system weaker so if it failed it wouldn't damage the bank.

Once again, nobody had any idea how popular the Wii would become.  Do you not remember all the conversations in 2005 after the Wiimote was first revealed how risky everyone thought it was?  Even Nintendo was shocked by its success which is why Wii were so hard to find its early months because they had no idea demand would be so high.  Had the system been comparable to the 360/PS3 in power and sold less then the Gamecube, it would have cost Nintendo billions.  Making the system a modified Gamecube like they did wouldn't have seriously hurt the company if it failed since it was much cheaper to produce.

It's easy to say now how Nintendo could have made a more powerful console but nobody could have predicted its success back in 2005.


The Xbox 1 sold 24 million which isn't much more than the Gamecube and they went all in on the HD era and did extremely well.


I think my problem with your analysis is we've gone round and round with why Nintendo has been unsuccessful.  I've often maintained that third parties and lack of standard features (online, optical, etc) are the reason that Nintendo loses Marketshare, not some cost that is too high of a price.  In fact, Gamecube era is really the start of Nintendo's cheaper is better approach to the market (coming at $200, when the competitors were at $300) and it did nothing for Nintendo from a market prospective except convince the market that the Gamecube hardware must in fact be inferior. 


I know that Gamecube was > in power than a PS2, but I was in college then and it was amazing the perception that it was in fact less powerful than a PS2. 


The Wii was more successful than most imagined, but it was largely due to a gimmick or at least unique feature in motion controls.  The problem with selling because you're innovative is that you have to constantly innovate and nobody knows for sure what is going to catch the market.  Wii U was an attempt to innovate (touchscreen) and it has failed to capture the market the way the Wii has.  The fall back then is what Nintendo has always done well.  Create good first party games.  But this has become less of an emphasis for Nintendo because they (since the Wii) have been used to selling a console based on features rather than games.


Nintendo is in the same market as Sony/Microsoft despite them pretending they are not.  They should have matched the standard market feature of HD.  It hurt Nintendo doubly because now they have to rely on first party games and they are having the HD growing pains that developers had 8 years ago and are having a hard time bringing games to market. 


Every reason you listed would have been a reason to keep HD out of the Wii U.  Much like the Wii, nobody knew if the console would capture the market, it hasn't yet.  Nintendo needs to focus on the market and what the market needs and that will take care of the declining marketshare.  Unfortunately Nintendo likes to think they are a market of themselves and that people will buy them in spite of their decisions. 

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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »
Frankly I can see why Miyamoto would want HD and I can see why he thinks something like 4K would really only benefit Pikmin in the games he made.

Time to Market.  Pure and simple.  Once Nintendo choose to go with the Wiimote as the basis of the console they then had to decide on the hardware to back it up.  They made the decision that going HD plus Motion controls would have been to much.  Seeing how the WiiU has been a struggle I think they made the right call.

Unfortunately Nintendo's big problem was they didn't give the Wii the short lifecycle it probably deserved.  Wii HD should have been out about halfway through the wii lifecycle to maintain moment.
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Re: Miyamoto Wanted the Wii to Be HD
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2013, 08:45:15 AM »
Time to market shouldn't have changed.  Teams should have gotten bigger to allow them to make a game in the same amount of time as the last generation.  Every generation games get bigger and more graphically inclined.


Wii HD mid-life may have staved off the massive decline at the end of the Wii generation.  But that's a risky strategy too.  You risk being a Dreamcast, or an in-between console.  People generally want to get at least 5 years out of a console before they are ready to move on.  Then when they are ready, they want to see what Sony/Microsoft bring to the table before they make a decision.  Then the Wii HD would be massively underpowered compared to PS4/Xbox One unless you mean that Nintendo should move to a 3-4 year hardware timeline and still have come out with the Wii U to compete against the PS4/Xbox One.  Plus, I know there is not a Wii Sports HD on the Wii U, but I just don't see people rebuying Wii HD to play Wii Sports again in HD.  The Wii was big because of motion controls, a re-release in HD wouldn't have been innovative and I think would have just been an earlier less powerful, gamepad lacking Wii U.  How would that have driven market support?