Author Topic: HOW NOT TO POST ON THE NWR FORUMS (Read 41180 times)

ShyGuy · « **on:** March 14, 2013, 11:47:31 AM »

2013 has been a bang-up year for game developers so far, hopefully some more studios will go out of business for their gross incompetence.

First up, we have Aliens: Colonial Marines, a bait and switch scam by Gearbox. They promoted it with a different lighting system and animations and AI than the game actually shipped with. Sega hired Gearbox to make the game, but Gearbox allegedly embezzled the funds to make Borderlands 2, then farmed out the job to several work-for-hire studios who did a lousy job. The game was so bad it looks like they canceled the Wii U version.

Next, we have EA and Maxis teaming up to ruin on of my most beloved franchises. Making it online for what looks like DRM reasons, they failed to keep the servers running at launch. No offline mode means you can't play! Also, they really botched the AI in the game making things like tourism, emergency services, and traffic a joke. Thanks Maxis, Will Wright must be proud.

Who will be next? Tomb Raider seems to have turned out okay despite the most awkward marketing campaign in recent memory, but I know third party game developers won't let me down!

Oblivion · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2013, 01:09:59 PM »

Bioshock Infinite seems to be the next target, but hopefully it doesn't turn out to be ****.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2013, 01:28:20 PM »

I'm gonna be weary of anything that is overhyped going forward. RE6 was a big disappointment last year. Now these two games are causing huge amounts of uproar. I'm hoping it's another EA game that goes bad based on their bad decisions but they may actually learn from this one.

shingi_70 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2013, 03:52:12 PM »

Kind of mean spirited to hope people lose their jobs. I mean ignoring the online debacle and the fact that you can only make cites that existed in the 1950s Sim City got pretty good review. That's more of a EA wanting control of everything rather than being a Maxis problem.

I can't really defend Aliens at all.
I think Bioshock infinite is either going to be considered one of the greatest games of all time or a Massive disappointment. I don't think that game can afford having a middle ground. I'm also pretty sure Fuse from Insomnia is going to be a Massive Bomba and will decide the fate of the company.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:00:14 PM »

Quote from: shingi_70 on March 14, 2013, 03:52:12 PM

Kind of mean spirited to hope people lose their jobs.

Who are you talking to about this?

ShyGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:11:35 PM »

Look, all I'm saying if the baker down the street makes horrible donuts, he should go be an dental hygenist or something instead. Losing a job sucks, but not everybody gets to make videogames for a living.

pokepal148 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:21:52 PM »

yes because it's all the developers fault
there's never a big publisher forcing them to release it early before it's ready or **gasp** forcing a broken online DRM system and nobody would ever be so cruel as to rip content out to be sold separately
no, it's all the developers fault

ShyGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:34:58 PM »

So they should quit working at that job with the horrible big publisher and move on to something else...

Developer Randy Pitchford and Company are squarely responsible for the the Aliens debacle, not publisher Sega.

SimCity on the other hand... yeah that is most likely EA screwing things up.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:37:28 PM »

The thing is, Gearbox aren't the ones who would get screwed by their decisions, since they paid off by accomplishing what they set out to do and making Borderlands 2 a hit. And if Maxis isn't responsible for what happened with SimCity they probably shouldn't be claiming that they were like they have been.

lolmonade · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:53:49 PM »

I voted Aliens because there nothing that could be done at this point to salvage it.

SimCity is salvageable, but it's up to EA/Maxis to do the right thing and cut the always-online DRM.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:13:42 PM »

Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 14, 2013, 08:37:28 PM

The thing is, Gearbox aren't the ones who would get screwed by their decisions, since they paid off by accomplishing what they set out to do and making Borderlands 2 a hit. And if Maxis isn't responsible for what happened with SimCity they probably shouldn't be claiming that they were like they have been.

Unless Sega sues them for fraud.

nickmitch · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:13:45 PM »

. . .Which they honestly should do.'

Anyway, I voted for SimCity because Aliens is bad because of incompetence and swindling (from my understanding based on posts from these forums). SimCity is worse to me because it's apparently a good game that's just made virtually unplayable thanks to DLC policies. It's the epitome of the worst trends in gaming: crippling DLC and always online. If I just want to boot up my laptop and play some SimCity in place with no wi-fi, nothing should stop me from doing that. But, here we are.

Shaymin · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:17:47 PM »

I voted for Sim City because it doesn't even properly do what it's supposed to... simulate a city.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:56:55 PM »

I hope Sega sues. Sega has a clear case against Gearbox fraudulently presenting a game they were not ever going to create. And I think it is important for the gaming community to see Publishers will not settle for this type of behavior.

On the other hand, I wonder how much Supervision and oversight Sega had over Gearbox and checking up on the game. Did Sega know Gearbox was farming the game out? (If that is what they did.) Was Sega presented with the same false goods? Did Sega ever check to see the status of the full game and do play throughs during the development cycle? If not Sega is also equally to blame.

MagicCow64 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:02:33 PM »

Quote from: shingi_70 on March 14, 2013, 03:52:12 PM

Kind of mean spirited to hope people lose their jobs. I mean ignoring the online debacle and the fact that you can only make cites that existed in the 1950s Sim City got pretty good review. That's more of a EA wanting control of everything rather than being a Maxis problem.

I can't really defend Aliens at all.
I think Bioshock infinite is either going to be considered one of the greatest games of all time or a Massive disappointment. I don't think that game can afford having a middle ground. I'm also pretty sure Fuse from Insomnia is going to be a Massive Bomba and will decide the fate of the company.

I think built in range for Bioshock Infinite is going to be 7.0 - 9.0 on the corporate sites. Even if the game is lame, it'll get at least 7s because they've been running what amount to commercials for it for a year. If its okay, it'll probably get 9s. I think the videogames news biz was looking to bite the hand a few months ago, but is now settling comfortably back into being free PR wings.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2013, 01:55:12 AM »

I voted for SimCity, not because it was the bigger failure, but because it really crapped on a franchise with such a legacy. I mean, SimCity is up there in the pantheon with Pac-Man, Super Mario, and Tetris! To make it worse, they have done four previous SimCity games that were legendary, and they managed to screw it up so, so much! The game mechanics were written in stone, man! IN STONE

It could still be fixed though. Offline mode, larger city sizes, no inflated population, fixed AI path finding, we might have a contender after that.

Soren · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:08:58 AM »

Sim City feels like a Facebook game. And if it were that it would probably be decent.

Aliens though. Nothing saves that. That's a good old fashioned disaster.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:16:06 AM »

Quote from: Soren on March 15, 2013, 02:08:58 AM

Sim City feels like a Facebook game. And if it were that it would probably be decent.

Aliens though. Nothing saves that. That's a good old fashioned disaster.

Lol, that reminds me of Kotaku crapping on Conduit for the Wii but loving it up with Conduit Android
http://kotaku.com/5990539/the-conduit-was-an-average-wii-game-now-its-an-excellent-mobile-fps

I GUESS PLATFORMS DO AFFECT THE EXPERIENCE, YOU NINTENDO-SHOULD-GO-THIRD-PARTY PEOPLE

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2013, 04:42:44 AM »

**** big studios, it's all about indy games and small studios now, and it has been for a while. Video games are dead, long live video games!

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2013, 08:18:05 AM »

Super that is the most awesome statement ever.

Pixelated Pixies · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:20:42 AM »

I haven't played either game, so I honestly couldn't say which is worse. However, that GIF of the dumb alien really cracks me up, so let's say Simcity is worse.

ejamer · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:41:50 AM »

Wrote a big post, then hit backspace while editing and it all went away.

Long story short: Aliens is worse because it's a flat out mess that hurt the reputation of everyone who touched it and isn't going to get any better. SimCity is a big disappointment, but early hiccups with servers will get fixed and the other problems could be patched.

(I'm ignoring fan mod efforts for both games - but even there, the results for mods to SimCity are more promising than what fans have been able to accomplish with Aliens: Colonial Marines.)

Ceric · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:56:48 AM »

Gimpy Alien makes me laugh.

Anyway.

Alien bould be salvaged if the WiiU version was the Actual game that was promised.

SimCity they will eventually iron out the kinks. Though if I want to play a SimCity game I'll probably grab 4.

ejamer · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:25:56 AM »

Quote from: Ceric on March 15, 2013, 10:56:48 AM

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Alien bould be salvaged if the WiiU version was the Actual game that was promised.

That doesn't salvage the other versions that are all hot trash.

Modders have apparently done good things with the graphics and lighting effects by playing with various settings, so that's something. Doesn't sound like they'll be able to help with the bigger problems though.

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SimCity they will eventually iron out the kinks. Though if I want to play a SimCity game I'll probably grab 4.

Totally agree about buying 4.

UncleBob · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:52:40 AM »

Quote from: ejamer on March 15, 2013, 10:41:50 AM

Wrote a big post, then hit backspace while editing and it all went away.

Using Firefox?
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/751749
Disable that mother'.

I don't even know why that's an option.

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