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Offline Samwise Gamgee

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2003, 09:46:31 PM »
this guy doesnt even know what he is talkin about!

first of all!

"an action thriller featuring sword-wielding ninjas, antiterrorist commandos, and body parts flying in all directions. That's quite a departure for a company better known for characters such as the mild-mannered plumber Mario and Pokémon's lovable "pocket monsters." But without some blood and gore, Nintendo risks being picked off by archrivals Sony and Microsoft.  "

then what the hell is resident evil? probibly the most blood and gore your going to see in any video game, and some of the creepyest environments yet! that with a bunch of other games that i dont feel like naming! its not like MGS is the first ever non E rated game for GC

"The new version of Metal Gear Solid, developed exclusively for Nintendo by Japanese gamemaker Konami Corp"

konami isnt making the game dumbass! nintendo second party SK is! you just lost all credibility with this statement! and that brings me to the next point!

"But don't expect Nintendo to add too much blood and guts. Iwata says the company will never depict Mario as a criminal, along the lines of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, a top-selling PS2 title that follows car-swiping crooks. "I'm not saying others shouldn't make such games, but Nintendo isn't going to," he says."

doesnt mean that their second parties cant and wont because they can and will! (conkers bad fur day by rare anyone?)

meh, this guy is a dumbass! all he sees games like f-zero and rogue leader, and probibly did no other research as to which other games are coming out! games like soul calibur 2 with link in it! that was a huge step in the right direction! along with getting third parties to help develop their games through the triforce partnership! he even fails to mention viewtiful joe, already one of my favs, its an instant classic and probibly one of the most original and addictive games in a long time (judging from the demo) exclusive for gamecube! no mention of it at all because it doesnt have blood or gore!

this reporter is what is wrong with the buisness! he feels that games are only good if you can blow off someones arm or if the main character looks like a skank! i'm sorry, but nintendo has a great lineup coming with in the next few months and i think they are realy going to go into the next gen in full force with some garunteed amazing exclusives from capcom, namco, sega and wich other companies nintendo is forming strong buisness deals with!

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2003, 12:51:19 AM »
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"But then, that's what I enjoy," says Iwata, 43, a former game developer who joined Nintendo in 2000. "We need to feel a sense of crisis to bring out the best in us."


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Microsoft thinks it can make plenty of money with Internet games, and so far, it has attracted 500,000 subscribers who pay $50 a year for its online-gaming service, Xbox Live.

Then why are Microsoft losing millions from xbox live huh?

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2003, 02:58:35 AM »
Look, if an artical can be picked to pieces by a bunch of guys on an internet forum, then it is bad.

It is not quite every day (Thanking relavent Deity) that some hack reports on something and it comes out wrong even after the editor goes through it. This artical is a symtom of how badly mainstream media and the media in general has degarded.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2003, 04:59:48 AM »
That comment from the X-box guru really bugged me. Why do Sony and Microsoft assume that their vision of multimedia is the only valid one? And where the hell where these guys when Nintendo was putting the industry back on track after Atari led the charge to it's near oblivion? I'll start believing MS and Sony's hype when they actually show REAL industry leadership as Nintendo did.

I totally agree with Grey Ninja that Nintendo, in spite of it's mistakes, is getting hurt more by the hype engine around convergence.

The thing I don't understand is, how can people be so blind? Sony and MS haven't proven that they are on the right track. Analysts continuely look at Nintendo's reciding profits while ignoring that MS has lost a lot more than they expected, and even Sony is shrinking profit wise. But that's not what we hear. It's always about what Nintendo is going to do next.


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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2003, 05:24:18 AM »
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"Robert J. Bach is clearly a (put any expletive here), but that statement did not hurt the article at all."

It hurts the entire integrity of the article when you get Nintendo's competitor to comment on Nintendo- it shows that the author of the article had a goal in mind, which is to convince the reader that Nintendo is failing, so they used a quote from Microsoft to prove that point.


Really...you implied that Nintendo is failing?  Wow...The only thing truly implied from the article is Nintendo is in last place.  But yes, it does go to hurt the integrity of the article.  Days later, that's the only quote I remember.  

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"Even an average gamer would not be effected by this statement as he or she will know Bach just said that statement seeing as how his company(Microsoft) and Nintendo are enemies. And it especially did not have an effect on the ending."

No, you're just good at figuring out when the author's being completely biased. While you are able to recognize that a comment on Nintendo's future from Microsoft holds no water whatsoever, the average reader would NOT. Microsoft is seen as an authority in electronics, so whatever they say must be true!


Yes, Microsoft is an authority in the computer world, but Sony is the authority when it comes to video games.  It truly depends on the reader.  But I bet if Sony were to say that statement,  more average readers will be effected.  

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And why are you talking about ending, as if we were reading a story book? This is an article, which has an aim from the beginning of the article and tries to prove a point the whole way through- think of it rather as building project rather than a winding path through a story. Articles don't have plot twists and they don't have endings in the sense you're trying to convey.


It's the last thing in an article, a story, or any sort of writing most people remember because it's the last part they read of that specific writing.  And in an article, the ending usually ties up everything unless it is news-related.  If the article ends on a positive note, the reader will probably remember this article to be positive.    
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2003, 07:50:09 AM »
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On the one hand, I agree with Grey Ninja on the subject of Nintendo losing money- the world economy is in a pickle and we're seeing a recoil from major international companies. On the other hand, though, I also see Ninja X's point- lately Nintendo's been loosing ground because of reasons other than a stagnant economy. They're slowing gaining it back, but there's no doubt it happened. However, saying Nintendo's failing, as this article so clearly does, is ludicrous- despite the fact Nintendo HAS been losing money, be it the economy or otherwise, they're still making a lot more than everybody else and I think they're going to put that to good use.


Nintendo HASN'T been losing money.  They are simply making less profit.

And I am really really tired right now, so I can't make a decent statement right now, but I just thought I would clear that up.  But according to Nintendo, they have sold 1.3 million more GameCubes than Microsoft has sold Xboxes.  I am inclined to believe them.
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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2003, 08:01:32 AM »
Well, losing money is the wrong term, but losing profits is correct, but that can be just as devestating if they let it continue- profits have dropped due to lack of sales. Nintendo's still making a buttload of money, but they won't if profits keep dropping.
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2003, 08:38:35 AM »
I haven't read the article yet but the FIRST thing I noticed when I went to that page is this "Sponsored By Microsoft Business Solutions".  Hmmm.

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2003, 09:04:53 AM »
i agree with NintendoKid and Nintendo Gamecube.  A long as NIntendo keeps making the games, i'll keep buying them.  it doesn't matter what place their in.  

by the way, i'm thirteen and i still play (and love) mario.
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2003, 12:37:05 PM »
What are you soppose to be ashamed for playing and loving mario. Is it too kiddy for the masses?.......F*CK the masses, they can miss playing a great game on a great system. Especially for those who turned down Zelda becuase of the art style........
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2003, 03:26:44 PM »
"I haven't read the article yet but the FIRST thing I noticed when I went to that page is this "Sponsored By Mcrosoft Business Solutions". Hmmm."

Interesting.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2003, 03:32:32 PM »
agreed, don'thate742, anyone who dissed zelda because of it's art style deserves to miss out on a great game.  i don't really care if i'm plaing a "kiddie" game, becasue alot of games that seem kiddie are alot better than ones with useless amount of of blood and gore in them.
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2003, 03:35:50 PM »
I don't think people are that excited about convergence anymore. People like to have 16 different boxes around their TV. It looks neat.

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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2003, 04:10:39 PM »
i know i do, i want to have as many consoles plugged into my tv as possible! powerboard overload so far im only upto 3 (gamecube, snes, n64) next is a NES and dreamcast, then master system and megadrive, yay console fun! and ofcourse the next gen system by nintendo and maybe a PS2 at some stage to play some RPG's but thats not a great rush

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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2003, 09:35:57 PM »
I've got my Gamecube, Dreamcast, and PS2 hooked up to my TV right now- I wanted to plug in my N64 and NES, but they wouldn't fit.
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« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2003, 02:16:55 AM »
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Xbox execs talk total *******!!! Seriously, calling Nintendo a "toy" company is childish!


Last time I checked Nintendo WAS a toy company.
Do they make anything other than video game stuff? Arent video games toys?


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But without some blood and gore, Nintendo risks being picked off by archrivals Sony and Microsoft. "


Hate it all you want, this statement is most like true. The mainstream public has the money, what they buy is what survives in the long run, it is simple economics.


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F*CK the masses, they can miss playing a great game on a great system. Especially for those who turned down Zelda becuase of the art style........


I played Zelda from begining to end, thought it was great at first, but grew so bored of it that I was actually happy when I was done so I wouldnt have to play it anymore. I much preffered GTA vice city. See, its called tastes and opinion, peoples vary, get use to it.

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2003, 08:16:49 AM »
"I don't think Nintendo is here for the digital-entertainment revolution," says Robert J. Bach, Microsoft's Xbox chief. "They are a toy company."

It is this BS that corrupts the minds of casual gamers.

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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2003, 08:40:23 AM »
How the hell is that BS?

The cube is the only system without a DVD player, it is also the only system without a fibre optic link for Dolby digital.

All the cube does is play games, thus it is a toy and only a toy.

Seems pretty straight forward to me, why must you all bitch about this so much.
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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2003, 08:58:33 AM »
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How the hell is that BS?

The cube is the only system without a DVD player, it is also the only system without a fibre optic link for Dolby digital.

All the cube does is play games, thus it is a toy and only a toy.

Seems pretty straight forward to me, why must you all bitch about this so much.  
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LOL that is ridiculous. M$ cant compete against $ony and never will in my opinion so M$ continues to attack the next closest thing ie. Nintendo

Another stupid analisis you probably would make is that PS2 is regarded as a super computer in some countries, thus it is a danger to security.

Most of us a bitching because M$ more than regularily need to destabilise Nintendo and you claiming that because a console does not have a fibre optic link built in must therefore mean it is a toy is pure stupidity.

Look up the definition of a console in a dictionary please before you troll your theories that a platform without fibre optic ports is only considered a toy (lol).

The Gamecube is a game console and the psx2 and Xbox are set-top-boxes.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.



 

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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2003, 09:00:07 AM »
I completely agree with Grey Ninja & mouse_clicker

Unless you're part of the industry, whether that be actually making games or playing them a lot, you shoudln't be reporting about videogames. Full stop, end of discussion because otherwise your just fuelling propaganda on what the "public bashing" trends are and public perception that is aggresively created from opposition platforms.

I didnt read the article in question (and I still plan not to) because if an article is reported by a mainstream source or from analists who see it from a sales figures point of view rather than a quality software over quantity software point of view, then it (article) wont interest me because there is an extremely high probability that such article will be incorrect/inaccurate/biased/ and or all.


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"Oh, and Grey Ninja, Nintendo isn't doing well. They fell below their expectations."

And Sony is at a seven year low in terms of their stock value... whats the point? World economy ain't doing to hot, but still Nintendo is #1 in terms of video game profits out of the three, no doubt about that. Just beacuse they failed to meet their expectations doesn't mean they still aren't making the green.



First of all, Sony wasn't even mentioned in this.  Second of all, yes, the world economy is sucking now.  Lastly, allow me to elaborate on why Nintendo isn't doing well.  

They fell below their expectations.  Their stock value is dropping.  They made less profit than predicted.  Sure, they are the best video gaming company in terms of profit, but if they don't cover up this hole soon, their stock value will continue to drop and pretty soon, profit.  Yes, as of now, they are "making the green."  If they do not dig themselves out of this rut, they are eventually gonna get bit in the ass with drastic drops in profit.  

That is why Nintendo ain't doing so well.

Expectations are important.  It keeps your stockholders happy if you meet those expectations and raises the value of your stock.  Not only that, but it makes the future of your company look promising.




Yes in your articulated description of Nintendo's position you somehow neglected to mention a crucial significant report that would make your statements more complete.

Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.
Can anyone confirm whether that article remtotely mentioned $ony's current state of shares or M$ losses on Xbox venture?

Its all nice to make statements or report with biased agendas (like that article this thread is refering to) but then to have gamers analising it to be mostly credible just shows who the mainstream gamers are and who the real gamers are who did their homework rather than "just rely on whats been hyped the most online" as we all know that Nintendo gets hyped in a very negative way at least on a weekly basis and mainstreamers are regurgitating on it to be significant when its not.

Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke especially when M$ (the competition which is "apparently" fairing better by embracing pirated data formats and taking the format Online at huge losses) is losing billion$ on the Xbox venture. Has anyone even bothered to mention that Sega games have sold in a laughable amount on the Xbox platform and M$ has even had to prop up the sales by bundling these games with the console?
When Sega announced its dropping sports support for Gamecube more doom was on the internet for weeks about it and when the real reason was revealed when EA announced it made a special deal with Nintendo, hardly even a mention on these Nintendo-bashing websites was made.
Clearly any sane gamer would choose like nearly all of EA's sports games over Sega's sports games.
And the same goes for most 3rd parties which elude developing for Nintendo console platforms because they have a bigger challenge on their hands to compete against a far superiro range of AAA titles that dont just come Nintendo 1st parties but even 2nd parties.

Xbox Live may succeed in probably 2 countries but you can bet your rupees that Nintendo will come around to satisfy real gamers by being the most gamer-friendly in their next-gen decisions.
Should Nintendo approach PC developers to port their franchises to the next Nintendo platform? because thats what keeping the Xbox afloat and future Xbox platform that will be running DirectX.

Already $ony has announced its next set-top-box multi-media Server which M$ would like to crush with their own rendition only running a DirectX version. I can forecast already that $ony will push face-mapping as a gimmick to sell these multi-media servers. Knowing that you could transfer your images into certain Online ps2 games will be a big sell for the wealthy end of mainstreamers. Yeah and M$'s future set-top-box multi-media Server version will have special ports for sampling your DNA as an authentication its you thats Online in their services.

It appears both $ony & M$ are superior to Nintendo because mainstreamers have this perception that a console being able to be played Online is what this technology is all about. Nintendo on the other hand see that gameplay ideas should evolve because there is already an Online platform known to us all as the PC. So therefore Nintendo will always have these negative reputations because it (Nintendo) differentiates itself from the generic clones out there that just ride on trends or easily cracked data mediums and yet in M$'s case, lose billion$ in the process just to keep its reputation in tact as having shipped more units than its more common-sense rivals.

What the delusional mainstream reporter of that article in question should be reporting on or investigating is whether or not the Online Monthly Subscription Costs of Xbox Live will put the Xbox business venture in the black in somewhat 10 years time or whether or not gamers will drop the next Xbox platform in 2 years time altogether because Nintendo commence Online gaming for its next platform but the Online aspect is purely for gamers and its for free and Nintendo doesnt monitor it so your free to play games you purchased without the thought that marketers are sitting on the other end watching your preferences like other Online structures currently available.





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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2003, 10:00:17 AM »
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Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke


A responsible reporter/journalist would have talked to Nintendo and had official quotes from Nintendo to disagree (couldn't think of better word) with the arc the article was going.  The objective of the article was to try and humilate Nintendo without letting them have a say to defend themselves.  

If the person who wrote the article had any integrity he would have gotten both sides (all three actually) of the story before allowing his piece to be allowed to be read by the public.  

The author of the article is nothing more than a tabloid rag writter trying to wear the shoes of a journalist and not realizing that those shoes will always be too small and never big enough to grow into.  

The article is trash talk and right on par with what Microsoft is known for.  Attack with words instead of product.  MS can't be like Nintendo so they are trying to degrade them and belittle them.
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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2003, 10:34:54 AM »
... Sega dropped sports on Gamecube because they sold like crap.

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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2003, 10:45:33 AM »
"Last time I checked Nintendo WAS a toy company.
Do they make anything other than video game stuff? Arent video games toys?"

personaly i would definalty include video games as part of "the digital-entertainment revolution" (whatever that actually is). i guess its a matter of opinion.

"See, its called tastes and opinion, peoples vary, get use to it."

but i guess since nintendo chooses to focus on one part of it rather then dominating your living room they are a toy company to some. the statement you made basically says that video games are for kids though. dont ms and sony both make toys as well then?


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« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2003, 11:13:04 AM »
Toy is just a 3-letter word for "interactive entertainment."

My computer is a toy, my dvd player is a toy, my PR-24 nightstick is a toy, and so are videogames.
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« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2003, 11:21:12 AM »
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... Sega dropped sports on Gamecube because they sold like crap.


Resident Evil outsold Silent Hill 2.
Skies of Arcadia was scrapped for PS2.
Square-Enix refuses to develop for Xbox.

What's your point?  Stuff like that happens.
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