Topic: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games

[ThePerm]

All this bullshit third party talk is exactly why I have little respect for most 3rd parties.

Which one do I respect? Ubisoft.

[UncleBob]

I agree that, for the vast majority of folks, the Basic set seems like a bad deal.  I mean, I can't imagine that the majority of people who would buy a Wii U at this point don't even want to *try* Nintendo Land.  I could see not caring about the extra storage (if you're that into digital downloads, you're probably going to want to connect a hard drive anyway) or the stand (I like mine, buy I probably would have waited to find it cheaper down the road... not a day 1 purchase).  The Digital promo is nice, but Nintendo would actually have to add some games to the eShop first.

As for having more parts available for building Deluxe bundles...  I don't think there's a shortage of Wii U Deluxe bundles pretty much anywhere.  That *could* change down the road, but for now, they need to move units (I say "need" not in a "Man, this crap isn't selling" way, but just in a "Sell as much as you can before the 720/PS4 launch" way) - so having the option doesn't hurt.

And I still don't see why third parties care about it.

[Adrock]

I was going by what Iwata said which admittedly may have had a pinch of PR in it. I have seen Deluxe Sets in Target and Walmart over the past week or so, but there were far more Basic Sets. When I was in line on launch day a few people "settled" for them because Best Buy didn't have any more tickets for Deluxe Sets. They probably wanted to make sure they got one in case it became hard to find.

To clarify, I wasn't saying 3rd parties would care about it, just that there would be a reason to not have the Basic Set (again, going by what Iwata said about people not being able to get the Deluxe Set they wanted). I like that the Basic Set exists; I just wish it was a more attractive option for most consumers.

Anyway, I think it's silly for 3rd parties to continue to ignore Nintendo. 3rd parties that are weary that Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games should consider that many of those kids during the N64/GCN days are now like 10-15 years older. I asked for Nintendo games when I was a kid because they were practically a sure bet to be awesome and my mom only bought me so many games. Now that I'm older and self-sufficient, I buy "whatever I think is good" which includes 3rd party games. I have steadily expanded my pallet for games from companies other than Nintendo and have bought more over the past decade. Still, not everyone is like me. I have the means to buy another console per generation (though I'm planning to stick with just Wii U for quite some time due to my changing gaming habits). Others can only buy 1 console. It is what it is. There's a rather large audience out there that only has a budget for a Nintendo console because they would rather spend $300-$400 (that would have to be spent on a 2nd console) on a bunch of games. 3rd parties are excluding them, not the other way around.

[Adrock]

David Cox, producer of the Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow series, said, "Sorry to disappoint you but no chance" when asked on Twitter if there would be a Wii U version of Lords of Shadow 2. I guess I'm getting this on PS3.

Pretty shitty of Konami to say, "Hey, here's an installment for you Nintendo fans on 3DS, but **** you and your mother regarding Wii U ports of the other games." Considering the ending of Mirror of Fate apparently leads right up to the beginning of Lords of Shadow 2, this is an odd choice. Cox didn't give a reason. As a Wii U owner, I'm disappointed. As a fan of the series who has both a PS3 and 3DS, it's still kind of a shiesty move. Sony fans who have no interest in Nintendo platforms are given the shaft and so are Nintendo fans who have no interest in Sony platforms. It's like Konami is trolling everyone...

[Fatty The Hutt]

Dear Konami,
I intend to buy Lords Of Shadow 2. Instead of buying it for full price new, as I would have if it were being released on the WiiU,  I will be sure to buy it used at an enormous discount from the MSRP.
In short, chinga tu madre.
Sincerely,
Fatty The Hutt

[shingi_70]

I'm sadly not expecting this to get better at E3. ;(

[Kytim89]

David Cox, producer of the Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow series, said, "Sorry to disappoint you but no chance" when asked on Twitter if there would be a Wii U version of Lords of Shadow 2. I guess I'm getting this on PS3.

Pretty shitty of Konami to say, "Hey, here's an installment for you Nintendo fans on 3DS, but **** you and your mother regarding Wii U ports of the other games." Considering the ending of Mirror of Fate apparently leads right up to the beginning of Lords of Shadow 2, this is an odd choice. Cox didn't give a reason. As a Wii U owner, I'm disappointed. As a fan of the series who has both a PS3 and 3DS, it's still kind of a shiesty move. Sony fans who have no interest in Nintendo platforms are given the shaft and so are Nintendo fans who have no interest in Sony platforms. It's like Konami is trolling everyone...

The way that I see it is that if I am a paying customer and fan of a certain series then I should not be hampered if I want to play that game on whatever console I may choose. If I want to play everything on the Wii U then I should have the right to do it how I please. Nintendo really needs to get on the ball with this stuff and have some kind of Nintendo Direct to feature more third party support.

[EasyCure]

@fatty: I'm going to give you an applaud a day for as long as I can remember just because of ā€¯chinga tu madreā€¯

also are we allowed to post links to mr cox's twitter? I've love to mouth off via tweets. i barely use the thing, this night change that around.. lets just all tweet then that we're passing up the game or something, no death threats please.. we're better than that (I hope)

[broodwars]

You guys are aware that Mercury Steam probably has no control over what games they will and won't support, right? This is probably a directive from Konami in general, so take your complaints up with them.  David Cox is just a guy trying to get two games out the door.

[UncleBob]

The way that I see it is that if I am a paying customer and fan of a certain series then I should not be hampered if I want to play that game on whatever console I may choose.

By this logic, then every single game ever should be released on every system ever.  PS3 fans should complain that the 3DS game isn't getting a PS3 release.

[ShyGuy]

Well, Capcom is doing a BETRAYALTON with Resident Evil 3DS on 360, so I say gimme the ports!

[Kytim89]

Well, Capcom is doing a BETRAYALTON with Resident Evil 3DS on 360, so I say gimme the ports!

Capcom does not look to the past, only the future, so porting this to the Wii U will not happen. 

[EasyCure]

You guys are aware that Mercury Steam probably has no control over what games they will and won't support, right? This is probably a directive from Konami in general, so take your complaints up with them.  David Cox is just a guy trying to get two games out the door.

I'm just looking to harass someone on twitter, can I still bother David Cox?

[ShyGuy]

Rumor RE:Revelations is coming to Wii U as well.

[alegoicoe]

Forget revelations, give me Res 6, ohh well i guess its not happening, even though the all the main entries in the series up to five where on nintendo platforms.

[shingi_70]

But RE6 is a bad game. Though if any game were to be ported to the Wii U it would be resident evil 6. If I recall the game vastly under preformed due to bad reviews and word of mouth. A Wii U version would make sense to get more sales as Wii u owners will eat any sort of support up to get more games on the platform.

[Kytim89]

But RE6 is a bad game. Though if any game were to be ported to the Wii U it would be resident evil 6. If I recall the game vastly under preformed due to bad reviews and word of mouth. A Wii U version would make sense to get more sales as Wii u owners will eat any sort of support up to get more games on the platform.

This is a similar situation to what happened with Ninja Gaiden 3. Tecmo put out an inferior version on the other consoles and then released a better version on the Wii U. Nintendo published Razor's Edge, and they probably paid Tecmo to go back and improve the game for their console. Now, what is to say they can't do this with Capcom? Unless Capcom flips them the bird and says, "We are not spending time and money to improve a game that was not popular on your console Nintendo." If Nintendo wants it on their console then they might have to pay for it and have an exclusive version just for the Wii U. Either way, I would buy it if it were improved.

[alegoicoe]

i know there were bad reviews, specially criticism over the overuse of quick time events, but others seem to like the game also, as long as they bring the game with all dlc included, i would jump ship and buy it.


By the way just saw this on gonintendo.com
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=194183


lets cross fingers and hope its a good game!!

[NWR_insanolord]

They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.

[pokepal148]

It's the same scenario as the Wii. The console will be a generation behind in raw power, and that means you'd have to go out of your way to make a special, downgraded Wii U version of your game. I guess people wanted PS3/360 ports as well, but most developers are done with those consoles and many are about to ship their final game before they shift completely over to the next Xbox and Playstation. Who's gonna take the time to learn a brand new system just to get a single port out there before it's time to throw it in the garbage?

Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold.  Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.

Only a lot of those third parties that didn't shut down, still lost a lot of money because of their lack of Nintendo support.  If the 720/PS4 are huge power increases over the 360/PS3, they're just going to make dev cost rise even higher then they currently are and the current dev cost are already way to high for many third parties.  If current 360/PS3 cost are enough to make these studio's still lose money, then what will 720/PS4 cost do to them?

In other words, they might have still been able to survive last gen by not supporting Nintendo, but if dev cost rise even higher, they might not end up so lucky this gen.

nobody wins with a huge power increase on the ps4/720, microsoft will need to put more effort into slapping windows 8 on the xbox, sony is barely breathing right now financially and we as wind up paying the bill for these new systems with quad core processors with 4 cores in each core or some voodoo like that. microsoft is going to continue on that pseudo set-box route on the 720 and sony might not even make it to the ps4,

[broodwars]

They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.

Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera).  Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.

[shingi_70]

Don't forget adding pointer controls as well.

Also anyone find it odd that capcom says that they are only going to put new titles on the wui u but remember me isn't coming.

[alegoicoe]

They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.

Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera).  Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.

I think one of the fixes of the latest patch is in regards to the camera positioning.

[broodwars]

They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.

Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera).  Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.

I think one of the fixes of the latest patch is in regards to the camera positioning.

Yeah, so Capcom said as well. Yeah, who'd have thought that having your character take up 3/4 of the screen in an action/horror game would be a major issue? 

[NWR_insanolord]

That's for the horror aspect. It's a lot scarier if you can't see what's going on.