Topic: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games

[Sarail]

I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.

[broodwars]

I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.

Well, Sony would be alright because they've spent a great deal of time over the last 2 generations strengthening their own studios. It would be Microsoft that would be hardest hit in your hypothetical scenario.

[Ian Sane]

Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold.  Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.

Only a lot of those third parties that didn't shut down, still lost a lot of money because of their lack of Nintendo support.  If the 720/PS4 are huge power increases over the 360/PS3, they're just going to make dev cost rise even higher then they currently are and the current dev cost are already way to high for many third parties.  If current 360/PS3 cost are enough to make these studio's still lose money, then what will 720/PS4 cost do to them?

In other words, they might have still been able to survive last gen by not supporting Nintendo, but if dev cost rise even higher, they might not end up so lucky this gen.

No, they might not be so lucky.  But they really can't make a good call on that until the PS4 and Xbox 720 are revealed (and they probably have been revealed to some of them).  Really that's what everyone's waiting on.  That more than anything will affect my purchase of a Wii U as it will determine how close the hardware is between the different systems.

If you're a third party are you going to spend time getting to know your way around the Wii U when you don't know what the other guys are going to do, don't know what the dev costs for those systems will be, and don't know how the Wii U will compare?  The safe bet right now is to stick with what you know until all the cards are on the table.

[noname2200]

I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.

Well, Sony would be alright because they've spent a great deal of time over the last 2 generations strengthening their own studios. It would be Microsoft that would be hardest hit in your hypothetical scenario.

I don't think there's evidence that Sony alone can support any platform, or even be the cornerstone of any platform.

[Kytim89]

If Nintendo wants to really get the ball rolling for third party support on the Wii U then all of the third party games releasing for Q1 2013 must find their way onto the system some how. The more time that passes the less likely the support will be adequate enough to challenge Sony and Microsoft's next home consoles.


Could third parties make a good profit if they just released their games onto the Wii U's eShop, and not physcial media? The people that would most likely buy these games on the Wii U would now to find them on the eShop and pay and download them digitally. This way third parties make more profit without the hassle of physical media and then make the bulk of their money without financial risk.

[Sarail]

If Nintendo wants to really get the ball rolling for third party support on the Wii U then all of the third party games releasing for Q1 2013 must find their way onto the system some how.

DmC, Tomb Raider, MGS:Revengeance, Crysis 3 - I'd buy ALL of these if offered on the Wii U. THIRD PARTIES, HEY LOOK AT ME. I HAVE MONEY.

This way third parties make more profit without the hassle of physical media and then make the bulk of their money without financial risk.

I buy all of my games on physical media - only eShop exclusives will I buy digitally (because it's the only way it's offered). And I'll keep buying my games on physical media until the industry says I'm not allowed to anymore. BAH.

[Kytim89]

One way Nintendo could get third party support would be to pay for the process of copying and pasting whatever third party game onto the Wii U with no financial risk for do so for the respective owners of said games.

[Adrock]

I tried the demo of Revengeance. Maybe I need to give the final release a go, but based on the demo, I wouldn't even get it on PS3.

The only 3rd party titles I'm currently interested in are Tomb Raider and Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow 2. I think both have a reasonably good chance of coming to Wii U. If the former is ported, I would definitely get the Wii U version. The latter is tricker. A Wii U version could connect to Mirror of Fate on 3DS which I am definitely buying, but the PS3 version could detect my save file of the original and give me some in game bonus (Curse of Darkness on PS2 did something similar with the Lament of Innocence save file).

[UncleBob]

Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...

[Adrock]

UncleBob... I'm still stuck on why you're trying to make sense of a kytim post...

[UncleBob]

I'm trying to be open and fair to listening to what people post.

That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

[Kytim89]

Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...

Nintendo could probably sell more units and have a bigger install base.

[TJ Spyke]

But getting rid of the Basic Model would notmake any impact, it would probably hurt it because it gives consumers less choice. Taking it away will not entice someone to buy a Wii U, and so it wouldn't help third parties.

[UncleBob]

Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...

Nintendo could probably sell more units and have a bigger install base.

How would Nintendo sell more units by discontinuing the lower-priced model?

[Kytim89]

Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...

Nintendo could probably sell more units and have a bigger install base.

How would Nintendo sell more units by discontinuing the lower-priced model?

Lower the price of the Deluxe Wii U to $299.99.

[UncleBob]

If they can afford to lower the Deluxe to $299, they could probably afford to lower the basic to $249...

[Soren]

I would like to once again point out (fearing redundancy) that, with the Wii U not even 2 months old, we are already killing an SKU, handing out price cuts like it's nobody's business and begging Nintendo to take on the financial responsibility of releasing third party content on their console.


I can be angry at Nintendo and the current situation with 3rd parties. But I knew what was going to happen before I spent my money.

[ShyGuy]

Soren handles it like a man! Be advised boys, be advised.

[Adrock]

The Deluxe Set is an incredible value at $350 since getting Nintendo Land and the GamePad charge stand separately is already $80 and that's before considering the Deluxe Set also comes with 4 times the storage and the Deluxe Digital Promotion.

That's ultimately the problem with the Basic Set. Like the 3DS, it was overpriced to start. If the Basic Set was the only SKU available at launch, I wouldn't have bought one. It looks especially bad right next to the Deluxe Set which even if you have to read comparison literature or ask a sales clerk, you would immediately see why it's so bad (at $300). Best Buy has gone as far as giving away Nintendo Land just to make it more enticing, even though the Basic Set is aimed primarily at people who don't want Nintendo Land. The Basic Set is just not a good deal. That's why Nintendo is admittedly having such a difficult time selling it. I agree that a price drop looks bad so close to launch. However, they have to do something to help boost sales of the Basic Set.

Discontinuing the Basic Set would allow those parts to be manufactured in Deluxe Sets. I believe Iwata recently said that some people who wanted a Deluxe Set couldn't get one. Well, if there were more available, they may have. Still, I like the idea of 2 models so long as consumers are given a real reason to consider the Basic Set. As it stands, it's the sucker's model.

[ymeegod]

"why it's so bad (at $300"?

White's an Better value IMO:

In the black you get an:
$5 dollar stand
$ Ninendoland (currently selling for around $20 on ebay)
Another 27ish GB flash storage?
An 10% discount card for one year off digital purchases for EShop which doesn't include the 3ds shop or wii shop .

No, for gamers like me it was far better just getting an white and using the extra $50 for external storage or an a game that actually wanted to play. 

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I aways thought Nintendo should have gone with Nintendoland as a free downloadable title and have monthly DLC (more themes) that way you'll get WII U consumers Online and checking out the digital store.

 

[Adrock]

Nintendo is selling the charge stand separately for $20, not $5. I haven't used it to charge the GamePad (I've only used the 3DS charge dock once just to see), but it was helpful when playing New Super Mario Bros. U single player and cheaply using Boost Mode. The Deluxe Digital Program lasts 2 years, if I remember correctly. I've already spent $30 on eshop titles. I'm in the US so I don't know if it's different in other regions.

My point is that you get a lot for $50. If you prefer the Basic Model, that is, of course, your prerogative. I, however, disagree that it's a better value. I would be more inclined to agree had the Basic Set launched at $275-$280 though $250 would have been a sweet spot. I might have considered the Basic Set at $250 because I didn't really want Nintendo Land; I wanted the extra storage (which alone was worth $50 to me). I would have thoroughly enjoyed saving $100 though.

[Soren]

Soren handles it like a man! Be advised boys, be advised.

I'm a man! I'm (not) 40!

[ymeegod]

"Nintendo is selling the charge stand separately for $20, not $5"

Just because the manufacturing assigns MSRP doesn't mean it's actually worth that much.  Take Sony Vita memory cards for instance.  Not worth 1/2 for what Sony chargers for them.

Hense it's an $5 piece of plastic.  You can find alt Gamepad stands/crandle on ebay for $5 shipped.

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Your right about Digital Deal for 2 years though (good through 2014).  Also I guess I was wrong about 3ds eshop?  According to nintendo's official site sales on that one should count for your digital discount as well.  Still they need to patch in WII's Shop and VC?

 

[EasyCure]

I'm trying to be open and fair to listening to what people post.

That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

No, you're supposed to be an ass and give out funny titles.

[Adrock]

I didn't say it was worth its MSRP; I said that's how much Nintendo is selling it for. Just because people can get something cheaper on ebay doesn't mean they will. That's beside the point anyway. Ultimately, that still doesn't change the fact that collectively, there is a lot of value in the Deluxe Set versus what Nintendo is charging people for them separately.