Topic: People Need To Stop Bitching

[TJ Spyke]

Activision isn't for sale right now (and haven't been for many years, before COD came out), so no one has had a chance to buy them.

[Chozo Ghost]

before COD came out

COD has been around since 2003. Has it been that long?

[TJ Spyke]

1990 was the last time (which is when Bobby Kottick bought it).

[Chozo Ghost]

From what I read he only bought a 25% stake in it. He doesn't own the whole thing outright.

[TJ Spyke]

I am not sure how much he owns now, but he (or at least his investor group) did buy it outright. Vivendi SA got a good chunk through the merger of Activision and Vivendi Games.

[Uncle_Optimus]

Activision isn't for sale right now (and haven't been for many years, before COD came out), so no one has had a chance to buy them.

Wait, this bloomberg article makes it pretty clear that Vivendi (who owns a 60+% controlling share in Acti as far as I know) is looking for a buyer, but is still In a vetting process in which no strong suitors have stepped forth.
The article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-13/vivendi-s-search-for-activision-suitors-off-to-slow-start.html

@MagicCow, the article also goes a bit into why Microsoft has balked despite the obvious development assets they would gain...it may boil down to the conflict a specific platform holder would have with shareholders if they were to significantly limit the publishers prospective revenue by forcing them to publish for MS platforms only.
Just using the CoD example, for instance, cutting out a PS (and in the future Wii U) would comprise a hefty bulk of the game's revenue and thus impacts the true valuation the company would have for a "biased" suitor like MS.

[MagicCow64]

Activision isn't for sale right now (and haven't been for many years, before COD came out), so no one has had a chance to buy them.

Wait, this bloomberg article makes it pretty clear that Vivendi (who owns a 60+% controlling share in Acti as far as I know) is looking for a buyer, but is still In a vetting process in which no strong suitors have stepped forth.
The article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-13/vivendi-s-search-for-activision-suitors-off-to-slow-start.html

@MagicCow, the article also goes a bit into why Microsoft has balked despite the obvious development assets they would gain...it may boil down to the conflict a specific platform holder would have with shareholders if they were to significantly limit the publishers prospective revenue by forcing them to publish for MS platforms only.
Just using the CoD example, for instance, cutting out a PS (and in the future Wii U) would comprise a hefty bulk of the game's revenue and thus impacts the true valuation the company would have for a "biased" suitor like MS.

Ah, thanks for the info, that does indeed make sense. I was thinking about Microsoft as if they were Mr. Burns and could do whatever they want, but yeah, shareholders would probably not be too jazzed about having half their revenue amputated in the pursuit of monopoly market share by the umbrella entity.

[TJ Spyke]

Optimus, I am aware of that (I even posted a thread on it a few weeks ago). It's not official though, Vivendi just says that all options are on the table (not just selling them).

[tendoboy1984]

Activision isn't for sale right now (and haven't been for many years, before COD came out), so no one has had a chance to buy them.

Wait, this bloomberg article makes it pretty clear that Vivendi (who owns a 60+% controlling share in Acti as far as I know) is looking for a buyer, but is still In a vetting process in which no strong suitors have stepped forth.
The article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-13/vivendi-s-search-for-activision-suitors-off-to-slow-start.html

@MagicCow, the article also goes a bit into why Microsoft has balked despite the obvious development assets they would gain...it may boil down to the conflict a specific platform holder would have with shareholders if they were to significantly limit the publishers prospective revenue by forcing them to publish for MS platforms only.
Just using the CoD example, for instance, cutting out a PS (and in the future Wii U) would comprise a hefty bulk of the game's revenue and thus impacts the true valuation the company would have for a "biased" suitor like MS.

Any console manufacturer that buys an outside developer is risking that chance. It isn't just limited to Activision. You could say the same thing about Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule, etc. That's the reason why Insomniac decided to remain independent; while they still make games exclusively for Sony, they are also free to pursue other platforms (which is the case with Overstrike).

[nickmitch]

What he's saying is MS would have a much tougher time buying out Activision for those reasons. Combine that with MS not wanting to take the risk means a no deal.

[TJ Spyke]

Microsoft already makes a ton of money (assume that the 360 version sells 2 million copies, that is $36 million Microsoft makes just from the disc and not even counting DLC) from literally doing nothing (unless they choose to give money to have the commercials feature just the 360 logo).

[Louieturkey]

Has it stopped yet?

[Caterkiller]

Hahaha. Kind of.

I think once Chozo realized he isn't buying a Wii U, stressing over the release date was pointless.

[Louieturkey]

I think he'll get one still.  It'll just be a while from the launch.  Ian will get one as well.  I think the Wii U will get all the third party games this time around and I think he will decide it's close enough to what he wants.

[Kairon]

I just assumed that the complaints moved on to the 3DS XL's lack of an AC Adapter in Japan, and also NSMB 2 in general.

[Chozo Ghost]

Not getting one? I already have mine pre-ordered.

[Louieturkey]

Not getting one? I already have mine pre-ordered.

I knew you were just posturing. 

[Oblivion]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

[TJ Spyke]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

That hasn't stopped retailers before. Usually they enter they enter the price as $999.99 until then

[Kairon]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

That hasn't stopped retailers before. Usually they enter they enter the price as $999.99 until then

So Chozo's already in for a $999.99 Wii U spend already? We all owe him an apology, he's the biggest Wii U supporter on the site!

[Louieturkey]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

That hasn't stopped retailers before. Usually they enter they enter the price as $999.99 until then

So Chozo's already in for a $999.99 Wii U spend already? We all owe him an apology, he's the biggest Wii U supporter on the site!

He's a closet supporter yelling to the rooftops that he wants it to fail, but secretly loving it trying not to let everyone know for fear of being shunned.  We promise to accept you regardless of your game system choices, Chozo.  We do not judge here...in this instance.

[Chozo Ghost]

I want it to fail so that I can have it all exclusively to myself.

[Ian Sane]

I believe Chozo wants the Wii U to fail IF it is not up to snuff and effectively "deserves" to fail, so that Nintendo learns the correct lessons from it.  Though I guess he doesn't want to contribute to any such failure himself.

I would like to get a Wii U sooner than later and to do so because Nintendo quickly provides a compelling reason for me to do so.  My approach is entirely that they betrayed my trust with the Wii so they have to win me back with a quality product that won't disappoint me like the Wii did.  I want that to happen but fear it won't.  It certainly won't if everyone who bitches and complains doesn't have the willpower to vote with their wallet.

Though I tried this approach with the WWE and it pretty much amounted to Homer telling Moe that "[he] just lost himself a customer!"

[broodwars]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

That hasn't stopped retailers before. Usually they enter they enter the price as $999.99 until then

Indeed. Some employees at my local GameStop told me that Wii U games right now have a placeholder pre-order price of $99.99 as well.

[tendoboy1984]

Where the heck do you have it preordered? No Gamestop I know of will let it be preordered yet because they don't know the launch price yet, and most retailers won't do it yet either.

That hasn't stopped retailers before. Usually they enter they enter the price as $999.99 until then

Indeed. Some employees at my local GameStop told me that Wii U games right now have a placeholder pre-order price of $99.99 as well.

Why is the placeholder price $99? Wii U games will obviously fall within the $50-$60 range, since they are comparable to Xbox 360 and PS3 games.