Author Topic: Just buy Sega already! (Read 12171 times)

The Omen · « **on:** May 20, 2003, 10:17:13 AM »

Why wouldn't Nintendo just acquire Sega, make them a 2nd party, and let them do their thing? If Nintendo is truly a bottom line company, what would be the downside? you get exclusive Sega games, let them take as long as they need to make them, gain all the Sega fanboys into your user base...etc.. I just think they should jump on the chance. Maybe just 'invest' in them. It is too good a move for them not to be considering this. I realize Nintendo will almost never just outright buy a company, but these are the times when they could really gain alot, and lose little. Imagine if the next Nintendo system held Sega exclusively. I just wish it could happen. Its exactly what they need to gain an edge next generation.

jarob · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2003, 10:25:10 AM »

I think this would be a great deal for both companies. You have to know they have discussed this. If they do not make a deal, I would like to know why not. Seems like a winner for both companies to me.

Fammy2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:22:58 AM »

Is it just me, or is the Sega-Microsoft matchup not working for anyone? Care to have another exclusive game Microsof that won't sell? Sure we will take those heave bags of money that seem to be such a burden on you.

Sonic Hero is multi platform. It will be interesting on how it sells on the various platforms.

Nintendo and Sega are a natural fit, but logic escapes Nintendo (or Sega, hello Nacmo merger) sometimes.

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:32:59 AM »

Heck man, I wish they'd buy Sega and just have them make RPGs, Fighting games and a GameCube version of Burning Rangers and Space Harrier.

It would have made my E3 if they would have announced the acquisition of Sega.

silks

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:34:12 AM »

Companies only buy other companies or merge with other companies if they are in financial trouble, and could use the extra support. This is the reason Sega was looking to merge, and now that they "are out of the red," they decided against it. For the same reason, Ninty isn't looking into buying big companies because there is no financial need(and also the fact that they aren't looking to monopolize the industry by buying everyone out like Microsoft

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The Omen · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:50:20 AM »

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For the same reason, Ninty isn't looking into buying big companies because there is no financial need(and also the fact that they aren't looking to monopolize the industry by buying everyone out like Microsoft )

I hear what you're saying, but i think it'll be the norm now that M$ has opened the flood gates. Nintendo can ill afford to not exhaust every option, including beating M$ at their own game.

itsmedoods · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2003, 12:50:39 PM »

what if nintendo just buys some of sega's stocks...lets say...20%-40%...that should steer some exclusive games towards the cube...

Ninja X · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2003, 01:24:37 PM »

Wow...um...yeah. This would cost Nintendo too much money. Silicon Knights and Retro Studios were bought by Nintendo just because they are small companies. Sega is huge, and Nintendo buying them would probably take at least a good billion from Nintendo's treasury.
Plus, you cannot just give a company money and turn them into your property without their permission. That would be the business form of slavery. Sega has to comply with the merger deal as well, and I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo. It's shown easily by Sega's lineup for all three platforms. It seems Sony's getting the most loving from them. Not to mention Sega and Microsoft seem to have somewhat of a deep relationship with each other. I'm sure Nintendo's relationship with them is deep as well, but Microsoft is a financial powerhouse. If anything, Sega would probably merge with Microsoft rather than Nintendo. But I do not see that happening. Since a merger with Microsoft is more likelier than a merger with Nintendo, I'll go as far as to say a merger with Sega will never happen in the near future.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2003, 01:41:38 PM »

Screw going for the whole lot of Sega. It wouldn't work. Some devisions would have a cry. Why have the 2K Sports Series as an exclusive if they sell like crap?

Their best bet would be to buy out select sub-sections. Sonic Team would be a nice start, since they already love Nintendo as it is. It would put an end to any future installments of PSO on Xbox, making the Cube the only place to go for it. But then again, Nintendo have basically given up altogether on online.

Bah. I give up.

The Omen · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2003, 02:04:16 PM »

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Plus, you cannot just give a company money and turn them into your property without their permission. That would be the business form of slavery. Sega has to comply with the merger deal as well, and I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo

I dont think they 'like' Sony more, but they like the chances of their games getting to more people, via the huge userbase of the PS2. I wasn't saying buy Sega whole, as much as i was saying to 'invest' in certain games to make them exclusive. Or buy a percentage. Why would Sega object to the sale, if they still can create what they want, and have more time doing it? I think it just makes great sense for both Nintendo and Sega. If they were willing to merge with Sammy, why not Nintendo? Maybe give Nintendo 49% , so Sega still control their own interests.

Mario · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2003, 05:05:36 PM »

Sega should just give themselves to Nintendo for free. That would be the smartest thing Sega has ever done.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2003, 05:24:17 PM »

Haha. I'm all for that!

deminisma · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2003, 06:40:52 PM »

"I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo."

WRONG. Two GC exclusives from Overworks (well SOA:L is sort of exclusive), duh.
Who else, really?

Nintendo purchasing SEGA would be excellent. Two of the world's best developers under one platform sounds very nice. The sad thing about SEGA is that the level of creative talent seems to get snmothered by the poor, poor management. I mean look at some of the incredible hardware and software that has come out of them.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2003, 07:23:05 PM »

Sega doesn't want to be bought. They won't let themselves be bought. End of story.

Plus, their financial condition is just starting to get better.

And on top of that, Nintendo said they wouldn't buy other publishers.

Mario · « **Reply #14 on:** May 20, 2003, 07:42:32 PM »

Nintendo also said that Mario 128 would be at E3... Well actually Miyamoto said that...

*REALLY wants mario 128*

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #15 on:** May 20, 2003, 07:45:42 PM »

Well then, better find a photo copier and scan yourself 127 times, Mario =P

Gamefreak · « **Reply #16 on:** May 20, 2003, 07:49:10 PM »

I don't recall Miyamoto actually saying anything.

The Omen · « **Reply #17 on:** May 20, 2003, 08:01:19 PM »

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Sega doesn't want to be bought. They won't let themselves be bought. End of story.

Plus, their financial condition is just starting to get better.

And on top of that, Nintendo said they wouldn't buy other publishers

Sega has been pawning themselves all over gods green earth! They may not want to be outright bought, but they sure would welcome some assistance. As for them starting to get better, compared to what? Losing tons of cash? Yeah, they're slightly better, but not much. It was just 2 weeks ago they were trying to merge, all of the sudden, they're fine? They're just putting some spin out there.

Nintendo doesn't have to buy them, just 'invest' in them. *wink

Gamefreak · « **Reply #18 on:** May 20, 2003, 08:09:12 PM »

The thing is, Sega wants money but they want their independence. True, they have been making proposals left and right, but all of the companies agreeing to help them out would become the dominant company in the partnership, and Sega doesn't want that. If Nintendo were to make an offer, then Nintendo would make sure they were the dominant company, and Sega wouldn't take them up on their offer. Yes, Sega wants and needs money, but they don't want to be controlled by an outside company. Get it now?...

It won't happen anytime soon. Sega will just keep chugging along for a few years, at least.

The Omen · « **Reply #19 on:** May 20, 2003, 09:32:54 PM »

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The thing is, Sega wants money but they want their independence. True, they have been making proposals left and right, but all of the companies agreeing to help them out would become the dominant company in the partnership, and Sega doesn't want that. If Nintendo were to make an offer, then Nintendo would make sure they were the dominant company, and Sega wouldn't take them up on their offer. Yes, Sega wants and needs money, but they don't want to be controlled by an outside company. Get it now?...

No, I don't 'get it' now. Why would they have to be controlled? Nintendo can have a minority interest in Sega, whereby Sega retains full control over their games, but can only release them on a NIntendo platform. Like with Rare. Nintendo had input on many of Rares games, but ultimately, Rare released them when they wanted. And i'm quite sure Nintendo would be willing to give full control to Sega, as they are a proven commodity.
Whats so hard about that? In fact, it would be extremely beneficial to both companies to have it that way. Then Sega could have all the time they need to produce games, and Nintendo gets the exclusive rights to them.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #20 on:** May 20, 2003, 10:28:13 PM »

I doubt Nintendo would do that. Why did they get rid of Rare? Because Rare was eating their cash and not bringing in the pofits. And that's the exact same thing that would happen with Sega? Why do you think they are struggling? They dropped their hardware division and are still struggling, because they are simply not raking in the profits. And if Nintendo were to give Sega a lot of money and just let them be, it's not like they would change. That's a liability Nintendo couldn't afford. If Nintendo were to invest any money at all into Sega, they would make sure that Sega would make a good profit. And no, Sega can't do that if they still have control over themselves. Or at least, not in any acceptable time frame (for Nintendo).

Mario · « **Reply #21 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:35:04 PM »

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Originally posted by: Gamefreak
The thing is, Sega wants money but they want their independence. True, they have been making proposals left and right, but all of the companies agreeing to help them out would become the dominant company in the partnership, and Sega doesn't want that. If Nintendo were to make an offer, then Nintendo would make sure they were the dominant company, and Sega wouldn't take them up on their offer. Yes, Sega wants and needs money, but they don't want to be controlled by an outside company. Get it now?...

It won't happen anytime soon. Sega will just keep chugging along for a few years, at least.

Gamefreak i never knew you worked for Sega? You dont know what Sega wants, you do not have access to thier plans. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyway, Nintendo & Sega together, would be a dream come true for me...

Ymeegod · « **Reply #22 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:47:51 PM »

What's funny is Rare generated nearly a billion in profits in four years (1996-2000). :0

That's $250 million per year.

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But what's important about these larger companies is the "character rights" IMO. Sonic anyone? Millions of fans/gamers/grandmothers know that name and that's what sells.

Brand name stuff. Imagine Nintendo owning Sega and what that'll do with Nintendo's lineup? Sonic in SSBM, what about Mario Kart?, ect.

Think letting go of Rare wasn't going hurt them since big N can make their own platform games and there is some 3rd party support for FPS shooters now.

But Sega on the other hand, there's tons sega can bring to the GC. The most important would be the Sega sport series IMO. Nintendo really doesn't have much for "exclusive" sports and Sega makes some of the greatest. Sega GT, NFL 2k3, ect.

In the long run, having exclusive sports lineup will add "additional" consumers for all of Nintendo products.

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That's just MHO.

egman · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2003, 02:41:53 AM »

I would love to see this kind of merger, but I don't think it ever happen. Sega is probably too big for Nintendo to really want to take a bit into, but more importantly, you have to look at what the talent wants.

There was a rumour a few days ago that was generated from a misinterpetation of an interview with Yuji Naka about the furture of Sega, Most people took it as Sega actually working on new hardware, but that wasn't what he said. Basically, he said that his team is working hard to help push Sega out of their problems with the hope that they will become strong enough to go back to hardware.

While Naka can't be unfairly singled out as the voice of Sega, I wouldn't be surprise if this was not the generally sentiment, at least among the old gaurd like Yu Suzuki. Just as that EA rep said that Nintendo has hardware in their DNA, I think Sega is also like that, maybe moreso because of their arcade centric business.

That might explain why the employees were pushing for Namco. Namco said that they were willing to be absorbed through management and name. They were willing to give up their NAME! I don't know what their finacial situation is, but certainly a partnership with them would have been the most acceptable in terms of independence. A merger with someone such as Nintendo and Microsoft would essentially destroyed the chance of getting back to hardware in the immediate future.

If Sega, however, was to finally go belly up, I would hope that Nintendo would be there to at least get Sonic Team, AV, and maybe Overworks personel. But until that happens, assume that Sega would actually like to make system again, which would be a better dream for me than them being partnered with Nintendo.

Ninja X · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2003, 09:38:24 AM »

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Originally posted by: The Omen
I dont think they 'like' Sony more, but they like the chances of their games getting to more people, via the huge userbase of the PS2. I wasn't saying buy Sega whole, as much as i was saying to 'invest' in certain games to make them exclusive. Or buy a percentage. Why would Sega object to the sale, if they still can create what they want, and have more time doing it? I think it just makes great sense for both Nintendo and Sega. If they were willing to merge with Sammy, why not Nintendo? Maybe give Nintendo 49% , so Sega still control their own interests.

As for investing...that's not a bad idea. Sega would be careful on one account...what if their exclusive games do not sell well on GCN? In their eyes, more of a chance is guaranteed with the game being on PS2 than on the GCN. But I do not think that would be much of an obstacle. It would be smart of Nintendo to invest in Sega...we'll have to see what arises in the future.
On another note, 49% seems too much. It requires much work and money from Nintendo. Look at Sony. They own 12%, or a percantage around there, of Square. Why didn't they just buy 51% of Square? That would almost guarantee Sony's success in the Japanese market for a long time to come, since the Final Fantasy series would only be on their systems. I would have bought Square if I were them. But, alas, they did not. I am sure some reason exists. Nintendo, if they were to invest, would probably buy 10% of the company at the most. But that would be enough to get more Sega exclusives on the GCN. Way more.

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Author Topic: Just buy Sega already! (Read 12171 times)