Topic: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!

[NWR_insanolord]

I want to make it very clear that the following is entirely my opinion, simply as a regular of these forums, and not in any way related to my status as a staff member.

If you're the kind of person who gets worked up about something as stupid and meaningless as the karma system to the point that you stop posting here because of it, I don't want you to be posting on these forums.

[ymeegod]

Don't look at me, my post count is still messed up.  It's gone down again?

But yeah, I don't mind getting smited but I would like to know who and why. 

[oohhboy]

I don't believe the Karma system was the singular reason for the disappearance of TJ Spyke. His departure was building for a while and I would know having butted heads against him time an again. It got to the point that he would defend ridiculous indefensible positions, at which most people started dismissing him out of hand and started outright ignoring or taking him apart argumentatively at every turn. He then tried to manipulate people by handing out smites/applauds so people would start thinking his way, something he tried to do with me. A good number of smites I believe are from him.

Of course it didn't work since I don't see it anymore than an amusing diversion and a way to detect passive aggressive people. TJ Spyke had finally alienated himself from the forums when even Broodwars couldn't agree with him in principle given how extreme of a position he placed himself in. After that a significant number of forum goers called him out for trolling and we haven't seen him since.

Simply put he pushed and we pushed back, he didn't like it and left. I can't say I miss him given how increasingly unreasonable his positions were.

Also naming him the Sony boot licker didn't help.

[Oblivion]

Wait, what unreasonable positions? In the small amount of time I was here before he left, he didn't seem that unreasonable to me.

[Chozo Ghost]

Hey Oblivion, are you a fan of Elder Scrolls IV? Is that where your username comes from?

[lolmonade]

Wait, what unreasonable positions? In the small amount of time I was here before he left, he didn't seem that unreasonable to me.

I was a lurker for a while on this site when I started listening to RFN.  There is a locked forum called "Sony getting hit Hard lately" where I recall him saying some pretty silly things about all hackers being pirates, the DMCA being just fine as-is, etc.  It's not so much that he held those positions as much that he was pretty antagonistic with some of his responses to other people and was pretty extreme with his rationalization.  He was the yin to Morari's yang.

You can check the later pages of that thread to get a more clear picture of the kind of arguments that occured.

[broodwars]

It looks like Sony's dealt with whatever issues they were having with the Japanese Government, because according to Sony PSN (except for the store) will finally be returning to Asia tomorrow.  Like every other region, they have their own Welcome Back package.  While their PS3 free games list looks considerably weaker than the one for Europe and North America, they do seem to have a better PSP list.

[Ceric]

It looks like Sony's dealt with whatever issues they were having with the Japanese Government, because according to Sony PSN (except for the store) will finally be returning to Asia tomorrow.  Like every other region, they have their own Welcome Back package.  While their PS3 free games list looks considerably weaker than the one for Europe and North America, they do seem to have a better PSP list.

I will not personally consider PSN up till the Shop is up.

[broodwars]

I will not personally consider PSN up till the Shop is up.

Well, I was able to play Portal 2 co-op online (and can go online with Killzone 3 whenever I want), so as far as I'm concerned it's restored in North America.  I really want the store up as well, though, given that there are some cool games on the various services that we should have gotten the last month (like Beyond Good & Evil HD) and I want to finally be able to redeem my L.A. Noire DLC codes.

[Mop it up]

Don't look at me, my post count is still messed up.  It's gone down again?

This post makes me wonder if you realize that you have two accounts, one with an uppercase Y and one with a lowercase Y.

[SlighTlyKauLField]

any word on when the psn store will be up for N/A?  What games are you guys going to download for free?  I'm thinking Infamous and Dead Nation.

[broodwars]

any word on when the psn store will be up for N/A?  What games are you guys going to download for free?  I'm thinking Infamous and Dead Nation.

If Sony's to be believed (hah!), the Store's supposed to be up by the end of the month, which would be this coming Tuesday.  My picks will probably be Infamous and LittleBigPlanet on PS3, as well as LittleBigPlanet and Killzone Liberation on PSP.

[BranDonk Kong]

This is offically the funniest thread on the forums. I think SONY should implement a Karma system on PSN, then people could cry a river about having low Karma and leave PSN...because getting a low ranking is just like getting bullied on the internet. We all know that people in real life first check to find out what your internet handle is, go on the nintendoworldreport.com forums, see what your score is, and then form an opinion about you based solely upon that information. This is why I can't find a job, everyone makes fun of me in real life, and my wife and kids left me. Look at my score (it's over negative ten thousand), IT MEANS SO MUCH, not just to me, but to everyone!

[broodwars]

This is offically the funniest thread on the forums. I think SONY should implement a Karma system on PSN, then people could cry a river about having low Karma and leave PSN...

Actually, there already is such a thing with the Trophy system.  And on that field of battle, I'm pretty confident that I own you all!   

[UncleBob]

everyone makes fun of me in real life

I think I can honestly say, your low NWR Karma score has nothing to do with this.

[Chozo Ghost]

Actually, there already is such a thing with the Trophy system.

Actually, no, its no where near the same thing at all. Like you've said before, the Karma on here is a popularity contest. Trophies aren't based on your popularity at all, and as a matter of fact it would stand to reason that someone who is incredibly unpopular with little or no social life would probably have more trophies than a popular socially active person.

[broodwars]

Actually, there already is such a thing with the Trophy system.

Actually, no, its no where near the same thing at all. Like you've said before, the Karma on here is a popularity contest. Trophies aren't based on your popularity at all, and as a matter of fact it would stand to reason that someone who is incredibly unpopular with little or no social life would probably have more trophies than a popular socially active person.

I meant it in the sense that it's a system of comparison that some chose to engage in and others ignore altogether, though one that's indicative of your own dedication and skill rather than what others think of you/how others feel like trolling you.  That's why your Sony Online ID "levels up" as you obtain trophies, and you can compare them with your online friends.  As it is based on your own merits, I naturally prefer these achievement systems to something like our current karma system.

[broodwars]

Hey, Sony can't seem to manage to get their online marketplace back up and running, but that pales in comparison to the most important announcement of all: The Playstation Blog's going to live-streaming the Sony E3 Press Conference!  What?  What do you mean that's completely redundant when GameTrailers will probably do it better like they have every year?  Besides, if I want to watch an official version of the conference, I'll just download the recording off the PSN like I have the last few yea- OH WAIT!   

[Halbred]

I've said it before, but I'm bitching about it again: I have these download vouchers for LA Noire and Dante's Inferno and currently no idea when I'm going to get to use them. End of the month? Sure, but I wish Sony wasn't waiting until the last second.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I've said it before, but I'm bitching about it again: I have these download vouchers for LA Noire and Dante's Inferno and currently no idea when I'm going to get to use them. End of the month? Sure, but I wish Sony wasn't waiting until the last second.

Yeah, I just bought LA Noire, and it was an easy choice in regards to the system to get it for. Sony has been bumbling this from the start. It is to the point now that there is no excuse for something like the store to not be up. People are not getting what they paid for or what was advertised when they purchased a game with content.

[Chozo Ghost]

Hey, Sony can't seem to manage to get their online marketplace back up and running, but that pales in comparison to the most important announcement of all: The Playstation Blog's going to live-streaming the Sony E3 Press Conference!

Now watch the hackers DDoS the playstation blog during the conference.

[broodwars]

Hey, Sony can't seem to manage to get their online marketplace back up and running, but that pales in comparison to the most important announcement of all: The Playstation Blog's going to live-streaming the Sony E3 Press Conference!

Now watch the hackers DDoS the playstation blog during the conference.

The hackers probably won't need to bother.  10 minutes into the stream, the site will probably crash from server overload.  This is the Blog's first attempt at live-streaming the press conference.  I've seen Gametrailers' and IGN's live-streams crap out from server overload, and they've been doing this for years.  I can't see this going well for a first-time team on a blog that's such an easy target.

[Chozo Ghost]

I just think it would be funny if the store is still down during E3, or if it comes back up the hackers bring it down again. What would Sony have to say during the conference if PSN were still down/down again?

[broodwars]

I just think it would be funny if the store is still down during E3, or if it comes back up the hackers bring it down again. What would Sony have to say during the conference if PSN were still down/down again?

I actually made a comment about that on this particular PS Blog Entry.  You have some pretty extreme Sony fanboys there clinging to the May 31st restoration date, but I just don't buy it considering we're now less than 2 days away from that and there's still no word from Sony (not to mention that fiasco last week with Sony not refuting the May 24th restoration date until the day of).  Given all the silence, I think the store still not being up by the Sony Press Conference is a rather annoying and increasingly-likely possibility.  I want my L.A. Noire case DLC and Sly Cooper cane in Infamous 2!   

As for what Sony would say, I imagine a Kevin Butler ad with him as the VP of Retail Shopping/Marketing. 

[broodwars]

By the way, speaking of the Playstation Blog, check out this gem of a quote from Jeff Rubenstein (presumably the person who updates the blog) in response to all the questions about the Store on that last article (page 2 of the comments, 5/29/2011 1:51 PM):

When we have a 100% locked in uptime for the store, we’ll tell you. Really, honestly, there’s not much else to say, is there?

It's nice to see that Sony's PR hasn't gotten any better after a month of keeping their customers in the dark and showing disinterest for their concerns.  Consistency!